Primo/Winny/Masteron cycle?

[baker849]

I'm 26, 6'0", 194lbs ?14-17%?bf. looking to gain lean muscle and basically change my body composition. Is this a sensible approach to that goal? Much thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer.

Primobol@500mg/wk....1-8
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Mastabol@400mg/wk...4-8
Following up with HCG/Clomid/Nolva PCT

I'd like to get to about 210 and 11-13%bf
I lift M/W/F and cardio T/R/Sa.
Well Bro's, whadya think?
right gear/dosage/stack?

 

[The Shadow]

I'm 26, 6'0", 194lbs ?14-17%?bf. looking to gain lean muscle and basically change my body composition. Is this a sensible approach to that goal? Much thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer.

Primobol@500mg/wk....1-8
[email protected]
Mastabol@400mg/wk...4-8
Following up with HCG/Clomid/Nolva PCT

I'd like to get to about 210 and 11-13%bf
I lift M/W/F and cardio T/R/Sa.
Well Bro's, whadya think?
right gear/dosage/stack?

thats an increase of 22 pounds of LBM and a drop in fat...I think thats too optomistic

 

[DIVISION]

Primobol@500mg/wk....1-8
[email protected]
Mastabol@400mg/wk...4-8
Following up with HCG/Clomid/Nolva PCT

For LBM, I'd drop the Mastabol and add in some Halotestin for weeks 4-8 tapering toward the end of your cycle.

Other than that I like it, especially the PCT.......HCG is a major......gotta have it.


DIV

 

[Dial_tone]

not happening with that cycle.

 

[The Shadow]

For LBM, I'd drop the Mastabol and add in some Halotestin for weeks 4-8 tapering toward the end of your cycle.

Other than that I like it, especially the PCT.......HCG is a major......gotta have it.


DIV

You like Halo, eh?

 

[baker849]

No no, I was thinkin more around the 15 - 16 lb increase, I'm 194 now bro, wanting to be 210, not 216 still too much ya think?

 

[The Shadow]

No no, I was thinkin more around the 15 - 16 lb increase, I'm 194 now bro, wanting to be 210, not 216 still too much ya think?

....the numbers you listed are 22 pounds...do the math.

LB M before - 163
after - 185


15-16 still isnt possible imo

 

[baker849]

Oh, LBM! Ha, you're right sorry about that.
So what do you think? I have access to nearly everything.
wrong gear?duration? I've never used PRIMO or Masteron.
My 1st choice in the past has always been EQ stacked with either cyp or sust and often Dbol. My biggest concern is retaining the lean muscle gain. I know eating clean is gonna be important as well, but am I on the right track with the Primo/Masteron? I'm really running solely on what I've read and heard about the two.

 

[DIVISION]

No no, I was thinkin more around the 15 - 16 lb increase, I'm 194 now bro, wanting to be 210, not 216 still too much ya think?

Shadow is right.......

You won't gain that much LBM from this cycle.......unless your genetics are off the chain and rising....

I don't see it.....pass.



DIV

 

[The Shadow]

Oh, LBM! Ha, you're right sorry about that.
So what do you think? I have access to nearly everything.
wrong gear?duration? I've never used PRIMO or Masteron.
My 1st choice in the past has always been EQ stacked with either cyp or sust and often Dbol. My biggest concern is retaining the lean muscle gain. I know eating clean is gonna be important as well, but am I on the right track with the Primo/Masteron? I'm really running solely on what I've read and heard about the two.

well....15-16 KEEPABLE is a stretch period.


I would consider:


Test/Tren/EQ/Winny as the bulk of the cycle

add some ldex

 

[baker849]

Well any suggestions then?
I've still got 50ccs of EQ and 50ccs of Cyp sitting around.
Would that be better suited for what I'm shooting for? And add the winny in the end still? I'm open for suggestions here...

Shadow is right.......

You won't gain that much LBM from this cycle.......unless your genetics are off the chain and rising....

I don't see it.....pass.



DIV

 

[baker849]

well....15-16 KEEPABLE is a stretch period.


I would consider:


Test/Tren/EQ/Winny as the bulk of the cycle

add some ldex

Well with that gear, and the fact that I have an assload of it, what kind of duration are you suggesting. That would be even better for me cause all I'll need is TREN and Winny. And when would you throw in the TREN at? And do you mean TREN ACE or TREN ENAN? I'm assuming acetate?

 

[Stacemranger]

With your original cycle, you are looking at about 10lbs LBM. Just do your old classic, primo will not give you the big gains you are looking for.

 

[DIVISION]

With your original cycle, you are looking at about 10lbs LBM. Just do your old classic, primo will not give you the big gains you are looking for.

I agree with this.....and that's a positive outlook. Primo is a hardening AAS but I don't see a quantitative LMB gain from it. I'd go with Winny or Primo.....not both.

I think you should scrap this cycle and start from scratch:

Sustanon/Winny cycle.



DIV

 

[baker849]

I agree with this.....and that's a positive outlook. Primo is a hardening AAS but I don't see a quantitative LMB gain from it. I'd go with Winny or Primo.....not both.

I think you should scrap this cycle and start from scratch:

Sustanon/Winny cycle.



DIV

I'd love to, except for the EQ, I need it for my apetite to stay up. And I LOVE Sust, but don't really have the $ to get 30 amps of it right now. I'd probably go with Omnas though. And did I just read some BS a while back, or isn't it true that a few years ago, the formula in Omnadren was actually changed so now Sust and Omna share the exact same mix of esters? Had'em both, and loved'em both. Loved omnas price more though!

 

[DIVISION]

I'd love to, except for the EQ, I need it for my apetite to stay up. And I LOVE Sust, but don't really have the $ to get 30 amps of it right now. I'd probably go with Omnas though. And did I just read some BS a while back, or isn't it true that a few years ago, the formula in Omnadren was actually changed so now Sust and Omna share the exact same mix of esters? Had'em both, and loved'em both. Loved omnas price more though!

Price is only a matter of persuasion and connections, BakerBoy....

It's nothing that can't be worked out. I tend to prefer the major brands like Organon.



DIV

 

[baker849]

Price is only a matter of persuasion and connections, BakerBoy....

It's nothing that can't be worked out. I tend to prefer the major brands like Organon.



DIV

Div,
I totally agree, but my connections at the moment with brands like organon and karachi tend to persuade me over to the Jelfas. After having an amp of Sust, I agree, its difficult to want to even sample a 10ccvial of "Sust" from a generic brand. So much so that I haven't managed to bring myself to do it either. Thats why I spoke of leaning to the Jelfa. You think the CYP wouldn't be worthy of replacing the Sust you mentioned? Its 300mg/ml and is doing wonders for my roomate.

 

[baker849]

ok, as sad as it is, I'll bump myself here!

 

[DIVISION]

Div,
I totally agree, but my connections at the moment with brands like organon and karachi tend to persuade me over to the Jelfas. After having an amp of Sust, I agree, its difficult to want to even sample a 10ccvial of "Sust" from a generic brand. So much so that I haven't managed to bring myself to do it either. Thats why I spoke of leaning to the Jelfa. You think the CYP wouldn't be worthy of replacing the Sust you mentioned? Its 300mg/ml and is doing wonders for my roomate.

Ease up, BakerBoy........don't BUMP YOURSELF>>>>>>EVER!!!!!!!

Cypionate is aight over Sustanon......I have no problem with that.

What brand is the Test Cyp?



DIV

 

[baker849]

Whoa! sorry my man, I earned the angry smiley! My apologies, I'm impatient sometimes. Anyways, the CYP? An underground lab of some sort? My roomate got a bulk order of it and split it with me. Off the top of my head, I dont know. I wouldn't even have bothered with it if he weren't reacting so well to it with a stack of 300mg/ml EQ.

 

[DIVISION]

Whoa! sorry my man, I earned the angry smiley! My apologies, I'm impatient sometimes. Anyways, the CYP? An underground lab of some sort? My roomate got a bulk order of it and split it with me. Off the top of my head, I dont know. I wouldn't even have bothered with it if he weren't reacting so well to it with a stack of 300mg/ml EQ.

BakerBoy, you seem like a baby off the leash......sounds like your roomie has a fresh batch workin' for him. What is he going to charge you for it? I wouldn't pay the same for UG that I'd pay for legit Cypionate.



DIV

 

[baker849]

BakerBoy, you seem like a baby off the leash......sounds like your roomie has a fresh batch workin' for him. What is he going to charge you for it? I wouldn't pay the same for UG that I'd pay for legit Cypionate.



DIV

150 for 50ccs/jug (basically 30 a bottle)
Best I've seen on name brand is 70/10ml for Eurochem.
The next best thing I can find for that price is the Jelfa Omnas.
Think I'm wastin time? EQ's same brand, he's up almost 14lbs in 5 weeks @ 900/cyp and 900/eq weekly.

 

[DIVISION]

150 for 50ccs/jug (basically 30 a bottle)
Best I've seen on name brand is 70/10ml for Eurochem.
The next best thing I can find for that price is the Jelfa Omnas.
Think I'm wastin time? EQ's same brand, he's up almost 14lbs in 5 weeks @ 900/cyp and 900/eq weekly.

Just because the UG works for him doesn't mean it will necessarily work for him..remember that and if that's something you can live with, by all means grab his stash and get crackin'.

Myself, I'd just go with the cheaper quality brand Omnas and be done with it. Unless he gives you a dirtcheap price on the Cypionate, I'd say forget it. With any UG you are taking a chance, remember that.



DIV

 

[baker849]

Just because the UG works for him doesn't mean it will necessarily work for him..remember that and if that's something you can live with, by all means grab his stash and get crackin'.

Myself, I'd just go with the cheaper quality brand Omnas and be done with it. Unless he gives you a dirtcheap price on the Cypionate, I'd say forget it. With any UG you are taking a chance, remember that.



DIV

Much thanks Div, thats where I'm headin I believe, BTW, No one ever gave me any feedback on whether Sust and Omna were actually still two different mixes of esters. I read that in like '00 or '01 Jelfa changed the makeup to the same as Sust? Is that for real? That would be killer to know.

 

[DIVISION]

Much thanks Div, thats where I'm headin I believe, BTW, No one ever gave me any feedback on whether Sust and Omna were actually still two different mixes of esters. I read that in like '00 or '01 Jelfa changed the makeup to the same as Sust? Is that for real? That would be killer to know.

Yes, Jelfa changed the compound to resemble Sustanon. However, there is one difference between the two. The first three testosterone esters are exact but the last testosterone ester in Omnadren is caproate while Sustanon uses decanoate. This is the only difference between the two. That said, there is a distinct difference between the two. Omnadren is faster acting and causes more water retention than Sustanon.




DIV

 

[baker849]

Yes, Jelfa changed the compound to resemble Sustanon. However, there is one difference between the two. The first three testosterone esters are exact but the last testosterone ester in Omnadren is caproate while Sustanon uses decanoate. This is the only difference between the two. That said, there is a distinct difference between the two. Omnadren is faster acting and causes more water retention than Sustanon.




DIV

With that being said, am I even considering the right gear? Yeah I wanna throw on some size, specifically in my arms. I got 15 1/2's wantin 17's. Aside from that, I'm comfortable with my frame with the exception of my legs are lacking. Most importantly, I want to be lean, cut, and defined. Which I know cardio is vastly important here. And I've been doing it, I'm down 12 pounds in 4 weeks using 30mg blue/clear phentermines. 210 would be nice, but I'd settle for a cut up 200. Besides, a cut up 200 looks bigger and better than a mediocre 210 anyday. Am I better off running the mass gear and lookin to finish out around 215 and then lean back down? Or is a change in gear what I need and just undergo a 10 week steady overall change in body composition adhereing to a strict diet along with training and rest? I bulk well, but lean out like shit. That being the case, thats why I originally had chosen the winny/primo/masteron cycle. Would I be better off going with TrenEnanthate/winny for 6-8 weeks, or an Omna/EQ/Winny for 12-16weeks? I know my goals, I just want the best possible path of gear to help me get there.

 

[little chris]

Shadow is right.......

You won't gain that much LBM from this cycle.......unless your genetics are off the chain and rising....

I don't see it.....pass.



DIV

I disagree Div, if his diet is right on track he can easily gain 15lbs of LM.
I always eat clean when I use primo and gain 10-15lbs of mass w/o even trying.

 

[The Shadow]

I disagree Div, if his diet is right on track he can easily gain 15lbs of LM.
I always eat clean when I use primo and gain 10-15lbs of mass w/o even trying.

I seriously doubthe will gain 2 pounds of LEAN MASS per week on that stack....epsecially at a sub-200 starting weight

 

[DIVISION]

I disagree Div, if his diet is right on track he can easily gain 15lbs of LM.
I always eat clean when I use primo and gain 10-15lbs of mass w/o even trying.

15lbs of LBM.......NO HE WON'T!

I don't see it.......




DIV

 

[bigpoppa p]

I doubt its possible to add 16 pounds of sustainable lean mass with any cycle bro. If I could add 16 pounds of quality mass in a year id pay a gold mine for whatever did it LOL. I think that looks like a pretty expensive cycle compared to the gains you might see. Do you not like tren?