Primo or Deca?

[Rod555]

Im trying to plan my next cycle and ive decided on 500mg of sys for the 12 weeks but im not sure what to stack with it. I can get some primo from a pharmacy abroad so its gona be genuine, but if i need 300mg a week for decent results i think the deca will work out cheaper.

Which would yeild better results 500mg sys and 400mg deca?
or 500mg sys and 300mg primo?

or should i just grin and bear the cost and do 500mg sys and 400mg primo?

I know the primo will give less sides than the deca but will there be a big difference it gains?

The only thing im worried about with using more primo is the fact that it comes in 100mg per ml so i would be jabbing 3ml shots, twice a week. With that volume its gonna be glutes only, is that right?

Also would can any one suggest how to lay out the cycle, should i run the sys/primo or sys/deca both together from the start? or start one before the other for a few weeks? And should i use a D-Bol kickstart for the first 4 weeks ?

Hell, im asking a load there, but you lot normally have a wealth of info to share around.

Karma available for best answers as always!

 

[JeSt3r]

in my opinion primo is a drug with mild to no sides...test has alot more....if ur gonna run test...run the deca

500mg sust weeks 1-12
400mg deca weeks 1-12
start PCT at week 15

 

[mikebzt]

Im trying to plan my next cycle and ive decided on 500mg of sys for the 12 weeks but im not sure what to stack with it. I can get some primo from a pharmacy abroad so its gona be genuine, but if i need 300mg a week for decent results i think the deca will work out cheaper.

Which would yeild better results 500mg sys and 400mg deca?
or 500mg sys and 300mg primo?

or should i just grin and bear the cost and do 500mg sys and 400mg primo?

I know the primo will give less sides than the deca but will there be a big difference it gains?

The only thing im worried about with using more primo is the fact that it comes in 100mg per ml so i would be jabbing 3ml shots, twice a week. With that volume its gonna be glutes only, is that right?

Also would can any one suggest how to lay out the cycle, should i run the sys/primo or sys/deca both together from the start? or start one before the other for a few weeks? And should i use a D-Bol kickstart for the first 4 weeks ?

Hell, im asking a load there, but you lot normally have a wealth of info to share around.

Karma available for best answers as always!

Firstly it does not have to be glutes. I have no problem putting 3ml in my quads and have never done a glute shot.
I would go with sus/deca for 10 weeks and run them together
finally the dbol is up to you but in all honesty it always a nice kickstart for a cycle

 

[Rod555]

in my opinion primo is a drug with mild to no sides...test has alot more....if ur gonna run test...run the deca

I dont get that jest? if test a lot more sides, then why would i want even more sides which Deca has?

Cheers mikebzt, i havent tried a glute or quad shot at the moment im only doing delt shots. But i dont think 3 ml is gonna go in too well into my shoulder so im gona have to change site for my next cycle. I know in theory the quad is gonna be the easiest to do rather than bending round for my glute .but im shit scared of hitting a nerve or somthing!

 

[Apexx]

Like Mikebzt said, glute shots are no problem. Stay to the side and a little above
midway and you'll be fine. Run the syringe under hot water for about a minute and
the 3ml will go in a lot easier. As for your cycle..........

1 - 12 500mg/wk of sust
1 - 12 400mg/wk of deca
1 - 4 25mg dbol ed
start pct at week 15 or 16 depending on your own body

you can mix the test and deca in the same syring. Split the shots up twice per week.

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

"Originally Posted by JeSt3r
in my opinion primo is a drug with mild to no sides...test has alot more....if ur gonna run test...run the deca"

I think what JeSt3r meant is since you are running the test (which has side effects anyway), why not run the deca which also has some sides

 

[halfaclue]

I dont get that jest? if test a lot more sides, then why would i want even more sides which Deca has?

Cheers mikebzt, i havent tried a glute or quad shot at the moment im only doing delt shots. But i dont think 3 ml is gonna go in too well into my shoulder so im gona have to change site for my next cycle. I know in theory the quad is gonna be the easiest to do rather than bending round for my glute .but im shit scared of hitting a nerve or somthing!

I've never run primo before so i am not sure how it stacks up but you might want the stronger Test to offset deca dick.

 

[satchboogie]

run a boogie cycle;

400MG PRIMO
400MG DECA
25MG PROVIRON
20MG NOLVA

 

[little chris]

run the triple 5's cycle

500mg test
500mg primo
50mg var

 

[JeSt3r]

yea clomid is right...i feel if ur gonna spend the money for the primo might as well stack it with another low side affect steroid....like var...

plus test + deca kinda compliments each other...if im not mistaken doesnt test help with deca dick and shit like that>?

 

[majutsu]

Deca is stronger than primo at the anabolic receptor. (Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin. Saartok T, Dahlberg E, Gustafsson JA.- The great steroid rating paper!). Also, deca creates a fair amount of estrogen and progesterone activity, both of which also cause significant growth. So, not only is deca stronger, but has at least two more pathways to growth. Therefore, on paper and in practice, deca leads to much greater gains. This is why deca is usually used to bulk, and primo to cut pre-contest. However, those other two pathways also create side in some individuals.

Deca will be stronger and cheaper. But if you have problems with estrogen or progesterone, then you better go with primo, as nolvadex and dostinex to block estrogen and progesterone get pretty pricey quickly too. You need about 600 primo to equal 400 deca in my experience.

I think jest3R's point (and I agree) is that stacking primo with test/deca/dbol is like throwing a few $20 bills in the air. It's like putting a drop of expensive sherry (primo) in a vat of malt liquor (test/deca) for "flavor", i.e. good luck finding a difference.

However, satchboogie has a point too. Primo is DHT derived, DHT substances often bind well to sex-hormone binding globulin (SHBG). SHBG "hides" your steroids, preventing them from being free and going to the muscle where you need it. Primo "may" free more steroid, like winny does. But this is proven with winny, not with primo. But satch may certainly be right. I've never noticed a benefit to stacking primo and deca for me though. I use deca to bulk and love primo to cut!

Good thread.

 

[DIVISION]

Deca is stronger than primo at the anabolic receptor. (Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin. Saartok T, Dahlberg E, Gustafsson JA.- The great steroid rating paper!). Also, deca creates a fair amount of estrogen and progesterone activity, both of which also cause significant growth. So, not only is deca stronger, but has at least two more pathways to growth. Therefore, on paper and in practice, deca leads to much greater gains. This is why deca is usually used to bulk, and primo to cut pre-contest. However, those other two pathways also create side in some individuals.

Deca will be stronger and cheaper. But if you have problems with estrogen or progesterone, then you better go with primo, as nolvadex and dostinex to block estrogen and progesterone get pretty pricey quickly too. You need about 600 primo to equal 400 deca in my experience.

I'm leaning towards Deca for the reasons outlined above, hence, I don't have severe sides from it, but that's because I take an anti-e year round.

Primo is just too weak, IMO.........not in the same class as Deca.

 

[georgie24]

those two dont belong in the same sentence

 

[serbyte]

Run NPP instead of deca, or just run the primo/ test. I would even throw some dbol with the primo/test

 

[mookie]

run a boogie cycle;

400MG PRIMO
400MG DECA
25MG PROVIRON
20MG NOLVA

that is what I am running right now with 30mg of dbol for week 1-4.

 

[rking]

Primo is so smmooooth

 

[DIVISION]

those two dont belong in the same sentence

True on that shit.

 

[geoboy]

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what's ur opinion on Primo re Hair sides? I've heard opinions from 1 extreme to the other.

i can do deca, dbol, eq, anavar even moderate test doses (up to 600 mg) without a problem. but winny, 1-tu (a prohormone), & proviron absolutely KILL my hair real quick (dry & straw-like within days, then if continued, a nice fast telogen effluvium)

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[georgie24]

primo made my hair grow thicker. i had to shave my head and face at least ed or ide be wolfed out, thats how i know when my primo is real

 

[Rod555]

Like Mikebzt said, glute shots are no problem. Stay to the side and a little above
midway and you'll be fine. Run the syringe under hot water for about a minute and
the 3ml will go in a lot easier. As for your cycle..........

1 - 12 500mg/wk of sust
1 - 12 400mg/wk of deca
1 - 4 25mg dbol ed
start pct at week 15 or 16 depending on your own body

you can mix the test and deca in the same syring. Split the shots up twice per week.

I think ill go with a cycle like apexx suggested because i want to put on some more mass before i start cutting.

Thanks for all the responses, K for all of ya.

As for PCT, Nolva, clomid and have some dostinex on hand to combat proeastrogen, is that right?

 

[manny78]

300mg of deca will more than 600mg of primo. Of course there's a risk with libido but the same could happen as well with sust only. Other than libido issues, deca is pretty safe. There's a reason why docs still prescribe massively deca to HIV/cancer patients.

 

[majutsu]

what's ur opinion on Primo re Hair sides? I've heard opinions from 1 extreme to the other. -

Wouldn't know, as I started to lose my hair naturally at 18, before my first cycle. I have no hair. But primo is much harder on the hair, being a DHT derivative. But you are either programmed for hair loss or you are not, steroids can only speed it up.

 

[Goodfellow]

I would rather have Primo. Nice lean gains. All nandrolones make me hold a ton of water.