Primo/Anavar vs. Sust

[falcon9901]

I'm curious to see what you guys would recommend for getting bigger in general.

Primo and Anavar
or
Test Sustanon?

I'm debating between the 2, but leaning towards the sust because of its gains in the size dept.

 

[LVTitan]

if u just wanna get bigger, the sust. i dont like sust personally, i would do some test e of cyp.. but im starting to not like test anyway too many andro sides, gonna go more anabolic from now on.. next one actually is gonna be primo/tbol i think

 

[manny78]

Just bigger ? Sust. Definitely. You cant beat test on that area.

 

[Madcow2]

Due to the blend of short and longer esters Sust has to be injected more frequently than a standard single long ester testosterone to keep blood levels constant. It takes about 3x per week to achieve this. For many users a single long ester is a better choice.

To better explain the test vs. var/primo you should think about these drugs in a ratio of androgenic to anabolic properties. In general the strongest androgens have the most anabolic activity but the ratio is closer to 1:1 (just using an example). The more refined compounds like var and primo have a skewed ratio, meaning that they are far more anabolic than androgenic 1:0.25 (meaning 4x as anabolic as they are androgenic - numbers are still just an example) yet the total anabolic potency is generally less than one of the other drugs (you have to take a higher dosage for the same gains - but even with the increased dosage the androgenic effects will still be significantly less than the harsher compounds). So if one is purely interested in size/strength and androgenic sides be damned obviously the better choice is a test/dbol/anadrol etc... over a primo/var etc... Somewhere in the middle is deca and equipoise.

 

[Indy]

I'm curious to see what you guys would recommend for getting bigger in general.

Primo and Anavar
or
Test Sustanon?

I'm debating between the 2, but leaning towards the sust because of its gains in the size dept.

I have done cycles of both primo/var and sust. I injected sust twice a week and gained 25lbs in about 6 weeks !!! Just for size you cant beat sust, however Primo is where I am at now, I like the non bloated harder, leaner look of primo and var.

 

[LVTitan]

Due to the blend of short and longer esters Sust has to be injected more frequently than a standard single long ester testosterone to keep blood levels constant. It takes about 3x per week to achieve this. For many users a single long ester is a better choice.

where do you guys keep getting this idea ? the whole reason for sust is so that you dont have to take multiple shots thats why it has the long acting esters..by the time the short and medium esters are released , the long ones are releasing test, then another shot, and the short ones pick up right away... i see NO reason to take sust more than 2 a week, and i do enth 2xweek, so you could get away with weekly injections of sust no probl.

 

[DIVISION]

where do you guys keep getting this idea ? the whole reason for sust is so that you dont have to take multiple shots thats why it has the long acting esters..by the time the short and medium esters are released , the long ones are releasing test, then another shot, and the short ones pick up right away... i see NO reason to take sust more than 2 a week, and i do enth 2xweek, so you could get away with weekly injections of sust no probl.

I agree w/ you, BabyTitaNugga in Vegas......

The whole idea behind Sustanon is to have the best of both worlds and less injections.....I don't now where the Madcow is coming from on this....




DIV

 

[LVTitan]

I agree w/ you, BabyTitaNugga in Vegas......

The whole idea behind Sustanon is to have the best of both worlds and less injections.....I don't now where the Madcow is coming from on this....




DIV

thanks divie my niggie, that means a lot coming from you.. i'd hit ya k again , but all out of love for right now..
titaNugga

 

[Madcow2]

Plot the esters out with halflifes and dosage patterns on a graph that calculates total test available - I've seen it done on this board a long time ago around 2001-2002. You will see the peaks and troughs created by the shorter esters even further out in the cycle once peak concentrations have been reached. The less frequently you inject the more evident the peaks/troughs. 2 injects weekly is a lot better than 1 and 3 is a bit better than 2 (from what I recall of the charts). Obviously, if you are taking a boatload of other gear the fluctuation in the short esters as a % of the total is dramatically decreased. You can do this exercise in Excel fairly easily - just obtain the halflives of each ester and apply it to the concentrations - then adding them together for the total at each day. This is where the conclusion comes to and the route of the argument anyway. Try it yourselves. I might do it later for fun but I have to run out.

 

[poantrex]

Primo and Anavar will give you a third of the gains of Sust for about 10x the price. SUST is the way to go.

 

[LVTitan]

Plot the esters out with halflifes and dosage patterns on a graph that calculates total test available - I've seen it done on this board a long time ago around 2001-2002. You will see the peaks and troughs created by the shorter esters even further out in the cycle once peak concentrations have been reached. The less frequently you inject the more evident the peaks/troughs. 2 injects weekly is a lot better than 1 and 3 is a bit better than 2 (from what I recall of the charts). Obviously, if you are taking a boatload of other gear the fluctuation in the short esters as a % of the total is dramatically decreased. You can do this exercise in Excel fairly easily - just obtain the halflives of each ester and apply it to the concentrations - then adding them together for the total at each day. This is where the conclusion comes to and the route of the argument anyway. Try it yourselves. I might do it later for fun but I have to run out.

yes it was posted again last month.. but on paper and in the body are two different things, and no one needs to take sust more than 2 a week.. thats why sust was created.

 

[V-Machine]

yes it was posted again last month.. but on paper and in the body are two different things, and no one needs to take sust more than 2 a week.. thats why sust was created.

That is a kinda weak argument.

But I would agree that there is little need to inject several times a week.......and I have done the exercise using the half lives.

 

[Madcow2]

I'd be interested in seeing the results again, especially if they took into account the weight attributed to each ester. From a brief search (there are a lot of articles against Sust use in favor of independent single esters - specifically because of this - many are from Elite and most identifying daily and EOD injections as preferable and absolutely maligning once weekly use of sust) weight also plays a significant role along with the halflife and intensifies the peaks/troughs since the longer esters weigh more and you wind up with significantly less test and more ester per a given mg at the extreme long and short ends.

This shouldn't be new to anyone here. You may or may not agree with it but it is fairly common knowledge and the science behind it is self-evident. If someone has an appropriate background on this board it would be good to see graphs taking both of the factors (halflife and weight of the ester) into account as I'm pretty sure the originals I saw never did.

 

[DIVISION]

Primo and Anavar will give you a third of the gains of Sust for about 10x the price. SUST is the way to go.

For once I agree with you, babypo-po.....




DIV

 

[falcon9901]

Thanks for the reponse guys, I'm gonna go with the sust for this cycle. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[little chris]

I'm curious to see what you guys would recommend for getting bigger in general.

Primo and Anavar
or
Test Sustanon?

I'm debating between the 2, but leaning towards the sust because of its gains in the size dept.

Depends what gains your looking for. For solid lean mass gains, primo and var.

 

[trinidad]

where do you guys keep getting this idea ? the whole reason for sust is so that you dont have to take multiple shots thats why it has the long acting esters..by the time the short and medium esters are released , the long ones are releasing test, then another shot, and the short ones pick up right away... i see NO reason to take sust more than 2 a week, and i do enth 2xweek, so you could get away with weekly injections of sust no probl.

I agree....I think that people get the idea because sust has some short acting esters and think that in order to take full advantage of them, you have to inject sust based on the shorter half lives but the 4 are actually combined for a long time released effect. When I take sust it's E5Ds.

Sust will get you bigger over primo/var but why not take sust/var?

 

[LVTitan]

That is a kinda weak argument.

But I would agree that there is little need to inject several times a week.......and I have done the exercise using the half lives.

i have a weak argument, but you agree with me... so you with me or against me ? how is it aweak argument to say that sust was created for this very reason, when everyone in aas world knows that sust was created for this very reason...
obviously you dont make too much sense, i see someone already dropped the bomb on your ass...

 

[satchboogie]

if money isnt an option, primo/var is one cycle you wont wont forget!!!

 

[sweed]

u love that primo satch... def gonna try it out a few years from now, after i do a first cycle and have some money

 

[V-Machine]

i have a weak argument, but you agree with me... so you with me or against me ? how is it aweak argument to say that sust was created for this very reason, when everyone in aas world knows that sust was created for this very reason...
obviously you dont make too much sense, i see someone already dropped the bomb on your ass...[/QUOTE

It is a weak argument because it is rare for a perfect product to be produced. This is especially the case when you are dealing with a biochemicals in which there is a limited range.

Also, you seemed to be implying that chemicals in the body do not behave in the manner that is predicted (having a half-life etc) on paper. In which case, you seem to think you know better than some highly qualified people. How do you know how these things behave if indeed they are different? What extra info do you have?

What I was agreeing with is that you do not need frequent shots......the peaks and troughs predicted by another poster arent that bad IMO......altohugh they do exist (unless of course you have conclusive evidence showing otherwise (see last paragraph)).

Oh and the bomb was for something totally unrelated........funny how cheap shots seem to come from people who are struggling to make a point.

 

[LVTitan]

i have a weak argument, but you agree with me... so you with me or against me ? how is it aweak argument to say that sust was created for this very reason, when everyone in aas world knows that sust was created for this very reason...
obviously you dont make too much sense, i see someone already dropped the bomb on your ass...[/QUOTE

It is a weak argument because it is rare for a perfect product to be produced. This is especially the case when you are dealing with a biochemicals in which there is a limited range.

Also, you seemed to be implying that chemicals in the body do not behave in the manner that is predicted (having a half-life etc) on paper. In which case, you seem to think you know better than some highly qualified people. How do you know how these things behave if indeed they are different? What extra info do you have?

What I was agreeing with is that you do not need frequent shots......the peaks and troughs predicted by another poster arent that bad IMO......altohugh they do exist (unless of course you have conclusive evidence showing otherwise (see last paragraph)).

Oh and the bomb was for something totally unrelated........funny how cheap shots seem to come from people who are struggling to make a point.

i made no cheap shot. i also said never said that sust was a "perfect product" , i for one have never made it a secret on this board that i am not even a fan of sust at all... i used it , i didnt like it.. but i don't deny that it has its place and for most it works like it is supposed to... if you took offense bro man i aplologize, (could have been the break up and the clomid still )
have a safe new year, get big eat big lift big..
titanout..

 

[V-Machine]

i made no cheap shot. i also said never said that sust was a "perfect product" , i for one have never made it a secret on this board that i am not even a fan of sust at all... i used it , i didnt like it.. but i don't deny that it has its place and for most it works like it is supposed to... if you took offense bro man i aplologize, (could have been the break up and the clomid still )
have a safe new year, get big eat big lift big..
titanout..

No problem.............I'm an expert at taking things the wrong way.

Have a great and prosperous year..........

 

[Outtlaw]

For people using reasonable dosages of sust, there really is no need to inject more than 2x a week. But when you run 2grams of sust a week, then you have no choice but to inject everyday in order to get it all in.