preventing fina gyno??

[jubei]

I know alot of the guys in here have tried fina. How do you prevent fina gyno? I have heard of bromo, but are there any other methods? Also is 75mg every other day asking for trouble without an "anti fina gyno compound"? Thanks.

 

[Greek Freak]

75 mg EOD is a conservative dose and you shouldnt have to worry about side effects like gyno unless your prone to it. Bromocriptine is the best for preventing progestin gyno from what I've heart but there are other things out there.

 

[jubei]

I was planning on using the following and all I have for gyno is nolvadex

week 1-4 25 mg dbol per day
week 1-9 500 mg sust 250/week
week 5-10 75 mg omega tren eod
week 10-12 350 mg test prop/week

Am I gonna be taking a big chance with fina gyno with this? What compounds are available. The nolvadex should be effective for the test/d-bol gyno right??

 

[DaddyX]

vitex may help and its otc,other than that there r things like bromo. with 75mgs eod i wouldnt worry tho. i did 150mgs eod and had no signs at all,like said tho u could be sensitive to progesterone gyno but only u would no that. i would say dont worry about it and for your test/dbol u r running a chance of getting gyno symptoms since u r running test along with the dbol. i for sure would get some ldex to be careful atleast for the first 4 weeks when u r running them at the same time. dbol gave me gyno symptoms while still using nolvs. goodluck

 

[jubei]

Will taking test and d-bol cause progesterone gyno to flare up when mixed with fina, or do I simply treat the two seperately. So if I control the "normal gyno" with liquidex and nolvadex, it won't have any influence on me getting fina gyno? Man this is some complicated shit.

 

[jubei]

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[bbkingpin]

Will taking test and d-bol cause progesterone gyno to flare up when mixed with fina, or do I simply treat the two seperately. So if I control the "normal gyno" with liquidex and nolvadex, it won't have any influence on me getting fina gyno? Man this is some complicated shit.

I don't think anyone has the knowledge to answer you. It is all speculation on the part of most. There is some authoritative info by W_Llewellyn that prog-gyno is a myth because it still needs estrogen to develop gyno. I read in a medical journal that the progesterone-receptor in an "estrogen induced protein" which would lend support to the theory that w/o estrogen's influence, you wont get gyno from progesterone. I just wish someone would do a poll: "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?" In other words, has anyone gotten "progesterone gyno" while taking an anti-estrogen -- namely, Nolvadex? If the answer is yes, then there is prog-gyno that develops independently of estrogen's influence. The only problem is that all kinds of people will chime in when the only people who can speak authoriatively are the ones who can answer, FROM EXPERIENCE, "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?"

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I don't think anyone has the knowledge to answer you. It is all speculation on the part of most. There is some authoritative info by W_Llewellyn that prog-gyno is a myth because it still needs estrogen to develop gyno. I read in a medical journal that the progesterone-receptor in an "estrogen induced protein" which would lend support to the theory that w/o estrogen's influence, you wont get gyno from progesterone. I just wish someone would do a poll: "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?" In other words, has anyone gotten "progesterone gyno" while taking an anti-estrogen -- namely, Nolvadex? If the answer is yes, then there is prog-gyno that develops independently of estrogen's influence. The only problem is that all kinds of people will chime in when the only people who can speak authoriatively are the ones who can answer, FROM EXPERIENCE, "Who has NO problems with gyno when on Nolvadex AND Testosterone but has problems with gyno on Nolvadex AND Deca/Fina?"

I agree. I always use Nolvadex at the end of a cycle and I always use Arimidex or Letrozole during a cycle. No matter what I am using. Never had gyno and I use tren and deca frequently. While Tren and Deca create more progesterone... the true culprit (I believe) is estrogen. Don't ask me for a study... I don't have one to whip out. I prefer real world experience over some guy in a labcoat observing some rats.

 

[jubei]

Would you be comfortable running the cycle I posted earlier in this thread with only arimidex/liquidex and nolvadex on hand? Just trying to get a feel for things, based on others experiences and opinions.

 

[bbkingpin]

Would you be comfortable running the cycle I posted earlier in this thread with only arimidex/liquidex and nolvadex on hand? Just trying to get a feel for things, based on others experiences and opinions.

I would, especially since you are starting Fina AFTER d-bol is done. So you will be running d-bol and sust follwed by fina and sust. D-bol and sust is probably a good gyno risk without the anti-aromatase and/or nolva. If you have both I wouldn't worry about gyno. Nor from sust and fina 75mg/eod. I have done fina with Nolva with no sides. I also have done as high as 600mg/wk Deca with 400mg/wk EQ and intermittent shots of test suspension WITH NOLVA and no gyno symptoms whatsoever. At the tail end of Fina and Nolva I added T-400 @600mg/week and had no gyno symptoms. But I was taking Nolva all the while. I don't wait for symptoms before taking Nolva. But that may be a better way to go. But I'd rather take it throughout. I've had gyno before and don't want it ever again. I don't care if Nolva hinders gains. This isn't empirically proven. On the Deca/EQ cycle with Nolva, I attained very measurable and satisfactory gains.