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Prayer cures the sick

Lestat

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Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)


I've wondered why people think that praying can help cure cancer, or infection, some other sort of chronic illness that is known to resolve itself.

But why can't prayer restore a severed limb? Why don't we pray for amputees in Iraq to grow their arms and legs back?

Why would the Lord listen to prayers of people and cure someone of cancer, yet someone who lost a limb through no fault of their own, even some sort of natural deformity, really has no shot in getting his limb back through prayer?

Anyone have some sort of insight into this?
 
Now, is this just jebus type prayers, or are you knocking eastern religions that use meditation and positive thought too?
 
jnevin said:
Now, is this just jebus type prayers, or are you knocking eastern religions that use meditation and positive thought too?
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Is it just positive thought? I respect that greatly. The mind has incredibly power over the body. I believe that the mind can be used to fight off illness of all sorts. I believe this because the extent that many illnesses affect their host body is dependent on the strength of that person's immune system.

Unfortunately a strong immune system will never regrow a missing limb, so its a mute point there.

My understanding is that those who pray for healing, thing that a supernatural being "hears" these prayers, then uses "power" to affect that person's physical being.

To me that is different then positive thinking and "willing" yourself back to health. Granted, it is fairly ambiguious and many scientists cannot explain exactly how it is working, but we do know that it works (in a minority of cases, but still some).

Again it goes back to my way of thinking. I can't explain exactly how it works, so does it make sense to attribute the positive effects to "god?" and what about the negative ones?
 
the christian perspective aside, lets look at it from this angle.

are we even capable of understanding a perfect being's will? sure, it may seem bad to us, but do we know the purposes behind it or what good may come from it?

sure, johnny may die of cancer, but his death might inspire many others to go out and something they may have not otherwise have done. ie donate money to cancer research, go into cancer research, start a chairty, etc, etc, etc.
 
p0ink said:
the christian perspective aside, lets look at it from this angle.

are we even capable of understanding a perfect being's will? sure, it may seem bad to us, but do we know the purposes behind it or what good may come from it?

sure, johnny may die of cancer, but his death might inspire many others to go out and something they may have not otherwise have done. ie donate money to cancer research, go into cancer research, start a chairty, etc, etc, etc.
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so you are telling me that great pain and suffering is actually a good thing in some cases?

And so should I also believe that great happiness and joy is sometimes a BAD thing?

And it sounds to me like you are leaving that decision up to subjective human judgement.

No Thanks bro.
 
Lestat said:
Is it just positive thought? I respect that greatly. The mind has incredibly power over the body. I believe that the mind can be used to fight off illness of all sorts. I believe this because the extent that many illnesses affect their host body is dependent on the strength of that person's immune system.

Unfortunately a strong immune system will never regrow a missing limb, so its a mute point there.

My understanding is that those who pray for healing, thing that a supernatural being "hears" these prayers, then uses "power" to affect that person's physical being.

To me that is different then positive thinking and "willing" yourself back to health. Granted, it is fairly ambiguious and many scientists cannot explain exactly how it is working, but we do know that it works (in a minority of cases, but still some).

Again it goes back to my way of thinking. I can't explain exactly how it works, so does it make sense to attribute the positive effects to "god?" and what about the negative ones?
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If people focus on their idea of "god" to channel this energy and it works, then I'd have to say yes. I personally would look at it as using their inner strength and positive energy, but that is how most define god. Call it chi, god, whatever.
 
Lestat said:
so you are telling me that great pain and suffering is actually a good thing in some cases?

And so should I also believe that great happiness and joy is sometimes a BAD thing?

And it sounds to me like you are leaving that decision up to subjective human judgement.

No Thanks bro.
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If you take the religious boolshit out of it, I'd have to say yes to parts one and two.

And since man creates their idea of god, hell yes.
 
Recently, after years of not praying I decided the law of attraction was something I'd rather be attuned to than resist. Not kneeling at the end of the bed and saying the Lords prayer but sitting down and sending out a positive frequency, the images and direction I want my life to steer towards. It sounds very cosmic but when you think about it, it makes sense on so many different levels. It can be done anywhere, at any time and it costs nothing, it's a great deal, in fact...why wouldn't you do it? All I can say is that it works for me and has improved the quality of my life.

Lestat, I suggest you ask yourself if you really want an answer or if you just want to take passages out of context and pick at them. If you've already decided that a certain work is of no worth then you're already limiting your capacity and depth of understanding.
 
Well. studies have shown laughter can enhance immune system function. Which probably means a positive attitude, regardless of the origination, is good medicine. It's the placebo effect you hear so much about.
 
Lestat said:
so you are telling me that great pain and suffering is actually a good thing in some cases?

And so should I also believe that great happiness and joy is sometimes a BAD thing?

And it sounds to me like you are leaving that decision up to subjective human judgement.

No Thanks bro.
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Good can come from bad and vice versus. Look at having a baby. A woman goes thru some bad pain to produce a wonderful creation, in other words, pain produces a good thing.
 
jnevin said:
If you take the religious boolshit out of it, I'd have to say yes to parts one and two.

And since man creates their idea of god, hell yes.
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I could argue that on the invidual level, terminall illness, especially a long and painful one, is never good for the overall happiness of that being. Subjective though, so diffcult to come to any level of certainty on.
 
Lestat said:
I could argue that on the invidual level, terminall illness, especially a long and painful one, is never good for the overall happiness of that being. Subjective though, so diffcult to come to any level of certainty on.
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Read Lance Armstrong's book. He has said a number of times that cancer was the best thing to happen to him.
 
read the part of the bible where he talks about people who try and lead people away from the bible like you are doing..
 
Phaded said:
read the part of the bible where he talks about people who try and lead people away from the bible like you are doing..
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yeah, my father is supposed to throw the first stone.

sounds like a REALLY loving religion!! thumbs up bro!
 
patsfan1379 said:
If you could only know what others think about you...
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i do know bro, some despise me, some love me. some thing im an idiot, some thing im intelligent, some thing im attractive, some thing im ugly. What's the point really? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, some people's I care about some people I'd be a little pissed if they actually did support me, you know what I'm saying?
 
Makes you think about what happened to make a reasonably intelligent person into such a miserable bigot.
 
jnevin said:
Makes you think about what happened to make a reasonably intelligent person into such a miserable bigot.
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No, just makes me wonder why a god would cure some things, but not others, and the ones that he does cure are also the ones that happen to resolve on their own at times as well!
 
I almost never touch the subject of religion and or politics because of the strong opinions people have. But I will state that I believe in the evolutionary theory. Thats all!
 
CO B-man said:
I almost never touch the subject of religion and or politics because of the strong opinions people have. But I will state that I believe in the evolutionary theory. Thats all!
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well we agree on something.

glad to know you're not completely insane
 
Lestat said:
No, just makes me wonder why a god would cure some things, but not others, and the ones that he does cure are also the ones that happen to resolve on their own at times as well!
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No. What I said is what this thread makes me think.
 
Lestat bro, you crack me up picking shit like this out of the bible to start a debate. I'm sure you do know it mostly falls on deaf ears. Sometimes they're nothing but a poke in the side of the hardcore religous folk. But all in all you've made some pretty good topics for discussion. I know alot of people don't like it, but in a wierd way for me it's somewhat eye opening b/c of everything I was taught as a kid. You were not to question anything, just go on blind faith.
 
cranny said:
Lestat bro, you crack me up picking shit like this out of the bible to start a debate. I'm sure you do know it mostly falls on deaf ears. Sometimes they're nothing but a poke in the side of the hardcore religous folk. But all in all you've made some pretty good topics for discussion. I know alot of people don't like it, but in a wierd way for me it's somewhat eye opening b/c of everything I was taught as a kid. You were not to question anything, just go on blind faith.
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same here bro, exactly the same. Your parents and pastor tell you it, so it must be true. Amazing how many people never stop to question, why?
 
Lestat said:
I'm sorry :(
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Fear not.

Lifestyle changes are the hardest to make. Just as you cannot solve the AIDS problem in Africa by throwing money at it, you cannot get dumb people to think by offering other alternatives. Already engrained in their minds is their lifestyle.
 
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