Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
Post-cycle therapy
- Thread starter khaled
- Start date
b1ewsw32
New member
Until he sees a sexy looking babe that he wants to bone
or until he get's sick and tired of having no energy,libido,apetite and the lack of sleep and sluggish thinking make him crazy.
Depends on his cycle,time on and his age.At 23 I recovered totally from a big cycle(3 grams) in 8 weeks without any post cycle ancilleries but it was no picnic.
With all of the knowledge and accessability we have now, it would be foolish not to hasten this process with ancileries.HCG, tamoxifen and clomid can all be used with success, however I need mor info to detemine whether he needs it and if so, at which dosages.
or until he get's sick and tired of having no energy,libido,apetite and the lack of sleep and sluggish thinking make him crazy.Depends on his cycle,time on and his age.At 23 I recovered totally from a big cycle(3 grams) in 8 weeks without any post cycle ancilleries but it was no picnic.
With all of the knowledge and accessability we have now, it would be foolish not to hasten this process with ancileries.HCG, tamoxifen and clomid can all be used with success, however I need mor info to detemine whether he needs it and if so, at which dosages.
b1ewsw32
New member
I still need to know what anabolics were being used and at which dosages.However the HCG@500iu/day sub-q with a .5ml insulin syringe along with nolvadex 20mg/day is a good start.He should also get a referal to see an endocronologist or andrologist to run some tests.Also if prolactin was elevated from this cycle this should be treated with prolactin antagonists administered from the specialists.Not to worry as it is very rare to cause permanent shutdown. There's a lot of guys who have been on for years at massive dosages and can still return to normal HPTA function.Rare cases have ocurred where testicles have been fibrosed.(irreversible).Then hrt therapy must be given indefenitely.khaled said:
But were jumping the gun here. Get back to me with more info and keep me informed on any progress. Good Luck!
thanks for your reply b1ewsw32........well his cycle was like this.........it was 4 month long.....every week he did 500mg sust, 200mg deca, and d-bol but i am not sure at what dose and for how many week........but on top of all that he drinks, smokes weed alot, but what i suspect that screwed him up the most is that he used to do alot of Valium, oxazepam and other downers
b1ewsw32
New member
His cycle wasn't that long or strong.The deca @200mg/wk@4mos. would be the most problematic road block.However the dose was low and shouldn't be difficult to recover from,with my previously mentioned advice.He should start at 500iu's for 10-20 days.If no improvement is seen he can titrate the dose gradually up until he's at 5,000iu twice a week.Keep in mind that 2-3 weeks in between is necessary for each HCG cycle to prevent leydig cell desensitization.He should lower his alcohol consumption,eliminate the weed, as the added thc induced estrogen can only make matters worse.khaled said:
As far as the downers are concerned,I need to know the"others"
I can only comment on the benzodiazepines....I dont think they would have a serious effect on natty test regeneration.No studies which I have read has evidenced low gonadotropins. They sure as hell can blunt the libido mind you.
Effect of long term diazepam administration on testicular benzodiazepine receptors and steroidogenesis.
Calvo DJ, Campos MB, Calandra RS, Medina JH, Ritta MN.
Instituto de Biologia y Medicina Experimental, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
We evaluated the effect of acute and chronic diazepam administration on testicular peripheral type benzodiazepine receptors (PBZD-R), serum testosterone and LH levels and the "in vitro" androgen production in response to Ro 5-4864, a PBZD-R agonist. The chronic diazepam treatment induced a significant fall in plasma testosterone concentration while LH levels remained unchanged. The number of PBZD-R was reduced by 37% and low concentrations (10(-8)-10(-6) M) of Ro 5-4864 failed to stimulate "in vitro" androgen production. The acute diazepam administration caused a significant increase in plasma testosterone levels while no changes were observed in LH concentrations and testicular PBZD-R. These results further suggest a modulatory role of PBZD-R on testicular steroidogenic activity.
The important protocol is the HCG along with a good relationship with a credible specialist and time will heal all wounds
Keep in touch. Peace out Bro!
b1ewsw32
New member
The Rohypnol is another benzo,with strong amnesiac properties,maybe he forgot where his testicles are 
J/K
The codeine is a weak mu agonist,weaker than morphine and methadone.Mu agonists have been shown to mildly increase LH levels...However not at the expense of addiction and a compromised liver,with the ethanol to boot.Btw in my readings I found that ethanol(booze) will decrease LH.
The heroin has defenitely got to go!!
Gonadotropin response to synthetic gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone (GnRH) in heroin addicts.
Brambilla F, Resele L, De Maio D, Nobile P.
To determine whether the pituitary-gonadal deficiency in heroin addicts is related to heroin's effect on the hypothalamus, the authors administered gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone (GnRH) to 10 male heroin addicts and 5 controls and measured follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) response. Basal FSH and LH levels were significantly lower in addicts; after GnRH stimulation the addicts' FSH and LH values increased but not significantly compared to controls. The difference between the two groups' response was highly significant. The authors suggest that heroin causes an incomplete blocking of gonadotropin secretion at the pituitary level, inducing a hypophyseal-gonadal deficiency and a long-lasting depletion of the endogenous releasing factor, which accounts for the reduced response to GnRH.
HCG can still be useful here, as I dont think he has primary hypogonadism(testicular level). He's just centerally screwed(hypothalm and pituitary)
This dude has to come off all of this shit,to live to use his nuts when they're back in full swing. Peace.
J/KThe codeine is a weak mu agonist,weaker than morphine and methadone.Mu agonists have been shown to mildly increase LH levels...However not at the expense of addiction and a compromised liver,with the ethanol to boot.Btw in my readings I found that ethanol(booze) will decrease LH.
The heroin has defenitely got to go!!
Gonadotropin response to synthetic gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone (GnRH) in heroin addicts.
Brambilla F, Resele L, De Maio D, Nobile P.
To determine whether the pituitary-gonadal deficiency in heroin addicts is related to heroin's effect on the hypothalamus, the authors administered gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone (GnRH) to 10 male heroin addicts and 5 controls and measured follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) response. Basal FSH and LH levels were significantly lower in addicts; after GnRH stimulation the addicts' FSH and LH values increased but not significantly compared to controls. The difference between the two groups' response was highly significant. The authors suggest that heroin causes an incomplete blocking of gonadotropin secretion at the pituitary level, inducing a hypophyseal-gonadal deficiency and a long-lasting depletion of the endogenous releasing factor, which accounts for the reduced response to GnRH.
HCG can still be useful here, as I dont think he has primary hypogonadism(testicular level). He's just centerally screwed(hypothalm and pituitary)
This dude has to come off all of this shit,to live to use his nuts when they're back in full swing. Peace.
Similar threads
