Please Read- Blood Test Results On Cycle

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I was reluctant to post this because to me it is somewhat personal but though it might help someone else who is thinking about sides etc. I got my blood tests back, second set, and I will show the difference in Testosterone levels while off and on cycle. The test. levels from my first blood test were while off cycle, off all supplements for two years. Normal Test. levels are from about 200-1000 and mine was in the low three hundreds. This is borderline low and is probably due to an underlying low thyroid problem for which I am still being checked for. My thyroid levels were also borderline low(I won't give numbers because it gets a bit complicated). In my second blood test, two weeks into a Winstrol cycle, 50-60mg ED, my Test. levels came back as 42- YES, 42! My thyroid function had also decreased by a few points more and was now in the fully Hypothyroid range.

Needless to say, I now have a referral from my regular doctor to a specialist/endocronologist because I need to undergo more testing to determine the nature of the low thyroid etc. I'm posting this info not to scare anyone but to let you know what you might expect to be dealing with while taking gear and that it is YOUR responsibility to look after your own health and sides because they can be drastically different for everyone. Your doctor almost surely won't know as much about what your doing as you do unless you see a specialist so you really need to take care of yourself. Hope this small example helps someone out there keep an out out for the unexpected instead of putting their head in the sand- AD

 

[CYCLEON]

thats a good word for all - also that if ur going to do AAS, especially as a regular thing, make sure that your getting blood/urine tests done and medical checkups regularly

 

[gideland]

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[nandroloner]

Re: Re: Please Read- Blood Test Results On Cycle

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE IN THE BODY BUILDING CIRCLE WHEN YOU ARE TO WEAK TO TAKE WINNY...STOP BUILDING ON A BODY WEAK AS HELL

WTF? What is your fucking problem? We support each other here, not put each other down! Especially when someone is open enough to talk about a health concern with the other members. Maybe you need to stop thinking, with a mind so weak as hell!

 

[body72]

Good post AD i'm with u 100% is very important to use AS in the right way and have alwais the blood cecked. I'm a firm advocate of the no bridge between cycles and that the time off have to correspond with the complete return to normal (before AS, not base values) of blood test; if it takes 1 month, well, if it takes 8 no problem i wait, better safe than sorry.
That's only my .02 non competitive and recreational point of view.
Bye
Body

 

[Charles Ray]

bump... Good post and a great reality check. I hope that everything turns out well for you.

 

[2legit2quit]

This is in no way a flame, but if you don't know going in that AS is going to shut down your natural test. production, then you haven't educated yourself enough and maybe shouldn't be doing AS. Maybe you already knew this but were shocked by how far off it actually dropped, but its a given that AS will do this. This is a good point for newbies though, that you should definitely research all the AS, and all the sides before ever putting anything into your body.

Also, if you are worried about your natural test. production while on, why aren't you taking clomid EOD? Or are you? Things like clomid and HCG are key in getting your natural test. production going again.

 

[Zyglamail]

Im a little confused AD. Your two weeks into a winny cycle and have blood work done to find out your test is nearly shut down? Isnt that to be expected?

I would have a hrad time going through with doc recommended therapy when they blood work they are using to prescibe treatment is based on altered levels because you are cycling. If it were me, I would put off all treatment until I ended my cycle, followed it up with proper post cycle therapy and had the blood work done again. At least then the doc has real numbers to deal with.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Clomid will be started after my cycle. Its not that I didn't expect HPTA shut down, but one rarely sees actual numbers of before and during and possibly after cycle. I can't speak for others, but I don't like to just take people's word for things that relate to my own health. Seeing actual test results gives you a much more clear idea of what your body is put through during this process.

I will just let people take whatever they want from the info I put here. I'm sure there will be flamers like "gideland" and others who only have a couple brain cells to rub together- but I won't be responding to them-AD

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Zyg- Iwas due for a hemoglobin A1C test(realted to diabetes) anyway so I had all the other levels checked also. The entire story of these blood tests and my future ones is too personal and complicated to get into but lets just say that my doctors don't know half as much as I do about diabetes etc. but they control the RX's and insurance money so I am at their mercy to a certain extent. I've been through five or six docs and none of them know their ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[Zyglamail]

I meant no offense AD. Getting results pre, during and post is great idea. However, if your not up front with your doc, you can raise all sorts of red flags. If you went and had blood work done and now your doc is thinking your test is shutdown and does not know why, he can recommend all sorts of things that would not apply since your levels are artificially lowered. Chences are if you have an athletic build at all and you blood work just showed a test nosedive, my guess is he will put two and two together and come to the conclusion you may be juicing.

I would just put off any type of recommended therapy until your done with your cycle and you have given things a chance to return to normal. Keep us posted on your post cycle bloodwork. Thats when we all get to see how well our idea of post cycle therapy work.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I actually told my TWO current doctors that exact same thing and told them I was cycling and that they would get false psotives for things but they wanted to do it anyway. Here's a dirty little side of the diabetic life- they basically told me they wouldn't refill my RX's or perscribe a new insulin that I am going to go on unless I got my A1C tested because they were afraid of a malpractice situation. This is the type of shit many diabetics go through with their docs all the time. SO, I got the bllod tests and thought the info might be useful here. ZYG- I took no offense bro, I appreciate the feedback- AD

 

[marx]

Thanks AD...a good reminder of the importance of blood tests...by the way, you've got mail...

 

[solidspine]

AD-good insight, thanks,


I’m in my 50’s and like to know as much as possible about what is and should be going on with my body.

 

[Nathan]

It's good to see the numbers dude. I got my blood tests back (before cycle starts) and all was good to go. I was a bit worried as my little brother (17) had high cholesterol and so does my mom. My LDL (bad cholesterol) was on the low end of the healthy range and my HDL (good cholesterol) was in the high end of the healthy range. I seem to have a healthy heart (RHR is 48-55) so I'm good to go. Just gotta keep it that way.
I'm very gald I got the tests done though.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Nathan, you may have a problem with the LDL/HDL ratio while on cycle if your family members already have that problem but it should flip back around to normal after your cycle- I'd keep my eye on it though. Dbol totally flipped those numbers for me but only while on cycle- I don't touch Dbol anymore, good luck- AD

 

[Nathan]

Thanks dude. I'm expecting that but will get it back down to normal after my cycle. I also don't eat much red meat cause it's too expensive but will be eating plenty hopefully while on. I do, however, eat 4 whole eggs each day.

 

[nandroloner]

Hmmmmm...

If someone were to want to get a doctor to give them a script for testosterone, so that it would be legal for them to possess it, they could take winny for a couple of weeks and then go see the doc and have test levels taken......

Just a thought.....

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

That's a good point nandroloner..lol You should do a link "Comprehensive Guide to Obtaining Legal Testosterone Treatment"

 

[Nathan]

Just don't go forging scripts or increasing the dosage on the one he gives you. Trust me on this. Those bastard pharmacists are trickier than they look.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

pharmacists, docs and all in the health profession need a wake up call

 

[Riker29]

Interesting info.

I don't think the guy was surprised that his Test was sut down, he simply was giving people some actualy numbers to sort of "quantify" the effect.

BTW, thse people saying "do Clomid while on to keep your natural Test going ..." are full of shit. Jeezus - when are people going to wake up and stop believing folklore!

BTW, another interesting numericla observation.

For my age, normal test levsl are betwen 241-827. I had mine tested a few eeks before a Test cycle and it was 526 - about average.

I then started a cycle of Test Cypionate, and after only 1 WEEK, thats 7 days after the first injection (500 mg/week) my Test checked out at over 2,500!

I was veryu suropised that it started to kick in that fast.