Please Critique my Epi Cycle

[NoFatChicks91]

Hey, this is going to be 3rd run. Epistane 60 for 6 weeks.

21 yrs old 195 lbs bf percentage probably like 12

Been lifting for about 5-6 years, but I didn't get extremely serious about it until about 2 years ago. I believe my muscles are mature and they sure as fuck can take a beating.

In the past I've run SD + dimethazine, Osta, and Dermacrine + 11 kt. Had great results on everything but I fucked up the Super dmz run .

I'm going to take SERIOUS estrogen precautions, even though I know epi has an AI, because I have 2 small pea sized lumps in my nips. Before you tell me to knock that shit out with letro, I've ran letro alone for a month, and have been running letro, prami, and torem for almost 3. The lumps haven't seemed to change in size at all so it's as good as it's going to get. I'm tapering off soon.

Also, don't be alarned that I'm doing another run so soon. I'm a schemer, it's still a LONG way away, maybe like next year.

I want to run an AI along with Epi, I'm thinking like adex every other day or every 3 days, forma stanzol 5 pumps am and pm.

Epi 60 (Weeks 1-6)
Dermacrine (Weeks 1-6)
N2 Guard (Weeks 1-8)
Fish oil Always
Adex EOD or E3D (Haven't decided dosage) (Weeks 1-6)
Forma Stanzol (Weeks 2-10)
HCG Generate ( Weeks 1-8)
Bridge (Weeks 6-10)
Probably some kind of joint support.
Unleashed / post cycle (Week 6-10)
DAA (Weeks 6-10)
Torem ( Weeks 6-10) Not sure what to dose it yet but I'll know when the time comes.

The estrogen precautions might be a little excessive. I'm also not quite sure if I should run forma for my entire pct, or only run through the cycle and then torem for pct.

I want this to be as comprehensive a cycle as I can get, so I keep my gains and everything goes smooth.

But I'm not completely sure what to do with my above questions, that's why I'm asking you Elites!

Also you can bet your ass I'll have letro and prami on hand

 

[stevesmi]

lose the torem. you don't need to stack forma + adex. you called it in your last paragraph, yeah the estrogen precautions are way overkill with epi. you aren't running test+dbol here.. remember you need estrogen to grow muscle and feel good. estrogen should never be killed, it should be controlled.. there is a difference.. now with prolactin you can carpet bomb it to 0, men just don't need it.. remember the derma contains AI's.

if you insist on AI on top, i would run the forma first, and then run the adex towards the end especially if you are gonna take pics. i like to ramp up adex a couple days before pics to really flush out water. I also like to stay away from cals, dairy, etc that last week (yes even whey shakes). then re-up the cals during PCT to hold muscle.

looks good, normally a 21 year old I wouldn't even push to run anything so young but you have done your research so I respect that. plus you are smart to keep your cycles short so you can recover fast and not risk a long recovery

epistane is gonna be a lot of fun for you

on a side note why do you have the lumps to begin with? i would be curious to know why that gyno stack you ran did nothing for you before you start running more hormones (granted what you are proposing here shouldn't make the issue worse)

 

[NoFatChicks91]

Thanks for all your help bro, I know you know your shit. So would you propose the adex only in the last few weeks but NOT in PCT? Forma for week 1 - 10? In pct should I stick with 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM, or ramp it up. Just want to make sure I get this shit right, haha.

With the damn lumps, well it's really the reason you experienced guys tell us dumbass 21 year olds not to run stuff. I researched for weeks and thought I had all the bases covered, so I figured I'd go ahead and run something strong. That was the problem, if you've never run something you don't know what to watch out for on cycle.

So a few weeks into it I noticed my nipples were all soft and puffy, but I didn't think anything of it. All I was taking was Super DMZ, liver support, fish oil and some shitty test booster on cycle, and all my pct consisted of was nolva. You can see the numerous issues there. I gained like 25 lbs and kept shit, like 10, if that. So I fucked that up and ended up with the scars, er uh, lumps, to remind me of it. I'm gonna taper off the letro at the end of this month. I can't handle the sides anymore after like 4 months. It's ruining my life lol.

See if I knew what I knew now, I'd immediately have jumped on the puffiness the second I noticed it, of course having letro and prami on hand. I'd have also run an AI from day 1. And of course, I completely disregarded anything I could have done to hold onto my gains.

It was before I was a member of this site. A buddy of mine was takin it and I wanted to try it. Since then I've educated him on probably like 20 issues regarding things I think he's doing incorrectly

Edit: Also, the Derma, I had no idea it contained AIs. It's the exact thing as transaderm based on what I could gather. I was using it as a sort of test base.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ honestly you don't need an AI with epi bro.

I understand what you are trying to do here, but you cannot kill 2 birds with 1 stone always.

I personally would get your gyno situation fixed first. once that is fixed then run this cycle. you shouldn't have any estrogen related gyno issues on this stack IMO.

there are some very bright gyno guys on here and a gyno forum I would find. I know needto is very good with gyno.. drop him a PM or even call him up.. he knows his shit especially on this subject.

 

[Evan Tipps]

6'4 195 is not good enough to cycle yet imo. Id hold off on anything for a few years and build a better basee

 

[NoFatChicks91]

I reached out to needto months ago but he never got back to me. I just ran based off of my research and what others had success with. The lumps are so small they're hardly noticable, I can just feel them. Evan like I said, I'll probably wait a year, the soonest would be half a year. I know I'll be hitting 200 lbs soon but I still need to wait.

Anyways I don't think I can get rid of the lumps without surgery which I can't afford.

That's why I just wanted to take as many steps as possible to keep the lumps where they're at.

So I guess what you're suggesting would be ideal is just run the forma for PCT, probably a week before PCT to let it kick in?

 

[Evan Tipps]

Bro im 6'0 218 and im not gonna cycle for a longggg time. If youre still making gains naturally in the gym which you are. You're hitting lots of prs naturally. You dont need any cycle yet!

 

[digit0x]

6'4 195 is not good enough to cycle yet imo. Id hold off on anything for a few years and build a better basee

If he's sub10% its fine IMO.

Your joints may be in better shape then mine, but Epi will dry you out... including your joints. Definitely overkill with anti estro. If I ran an anti e with epi my joints would for sure turn to rust.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

If he's sub10% its fine IMO.

Your joints may be in better shape then mine, but Epi will dry you out... including your joints. Definitely overkill with anti estro. If I ran an anti e with epi my joints would for sure turn to rust.

If he has been running Letro for 3mo his joints are dry as F#$% now.



NoFatChicks91.....

How much Letro you running per day. I've taken good size gyno out with Letro at 2.5mg/day after tappering up....And helped many many others, all ran Letro solo and nothing else with it...I havnt heard the its as good as its gonna get from anyone yet. What is the Letro you are taking and how much. And yes sometimes surgery is only option...but first do all you can.

 

[NoFatChicks91]

Letro is from CN at 2.5 every day and yeah, lol, the joints are really really dry!

 

[dylangemelli]

you should be taking hcgenerate along with your letro as well...

 

[digit0x]

If he has been running Letro for 3mo his joints are dry as F#$% now.



NoFatChicks91.....

How much Letro you running per day. I've taken good size gyno out with Letro at 2.5mg/day after tappering up....And helped many many others, all ran Letro solo and nothing else with it...I havnt heard the its as good as its gonna get from anyone yet. What is the Letro you are taking and how much. And yes sometimes surgery is only option...but first do all you can.

Agreed. I've had lumps before a fairly good size one that even my gf noticed and she started making fun of me which was hilarious... saying "ohh honey I can't wait for your tits to get bigger so I can play with them" which was fking hilarious but no doubt I had a moment of panic and letro bombed the lumps. Gone in 4 days. I don't know why it wouldn't work for you unless its already really really bad, but even then you should be able to beat the things down with letro... Try a new brand perhaps?

 

[NoFatChicks91]

I've tried 4 different brands : / I don't know what the hell is wrong. They aren't bad lumps either, like I said, BB or pea sized.

 

[dylangemelli]

have you had a doctor look them and give their opinion on it?

 

[NoFatChicks91]

No sir I have not. I figured I wouldn't bother since they appeared right after that cycle, I figured the doc would just say there's nothing they could do. Think I should see one?

 

[dylangemelli]

No sir I have not. I figured I wouldn't bother since they appeared right after that cycle, I figured the doc would just say there's nothing they could do. Think I should see one?

if you have tried letro and it hasn't worked that many times (which is very odd) then I would man... i wouldn't enhance the problem by running another cycle... i would do everything i can to get it fixed man... have you ran needto's gyno removal program?

 

[RickRock13]

Your joints are in for a world of hurt if you run an AI and have anything above a moderate dose of EPI. I've ran EPI several times at 45-60mg and that is enough to make your joints painful and dry as hell after 6 weeks. I couldn't imagine adding an AI to that, and I honestly don't see why you ever would have to even if Gyno prone. EPI has actually been used to fight gyno

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Your joints are in for a world of hurt if you run an AI and have anything above a moderate dose of EPI. I've ran EPI several times at 45-60mg and that is enough to make your joints painful and dry as hell after 6 weeks. I couldn't imagine adding an AI to that, and I honestly don't see why you ever would have to even if Gyno prone. EPI has actually been used to fight gyno

Agree, no need for AI.

 

[NoFatChicks91]

I haven't ran needto's program, I ran torem 50 mg ed, letro 2.5, prami .5. Right now before I taper off I'm runnin letro 5.0 and prami 1.0. I ran dermacrine and 11 kt after I got the lumps, and when I came off my left nipple started to feel sensitive and got a little bigger. Letro got it back under control though.

I've heard of guys getting gyno from epi. and I've heard of some guys using it to treat it. I think if someone got gyno from it they probably fucked up their PCT. I don't know when they got the gyno but I think it's gotta be PCT. I've been wanting to run epi but I figure the small chance it might make the gyno smaller makes it even more enticing.

Thanks so much for all the advice and help my bros.

So I guess the plan is to just run forma for my pct, no SERM (torem). By the way, nolva doesn't work on me.

I'll probably introduce Forma Stanzol in week 5 or 6 of the epi, because in my experience it takes a good week or two to build up. 5 pumps AM and PM and that will carry into PCT till that bottle's gone.

Again, I'll have letro and prami on hand, as well as adex. If I get any tenderness, enlargement, anything, I'll run adex first, if that doesn't clear it up in a few days it's on to the letro.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Chances are if they got gyno they were 1...also taking something else that caused it or 2...it was not epi of was a blended compound. But that's just my 2 cents...

I haven't ran needto's program, I ran torem 50 mg ed, letro 2.5, prami .5. Right now before I taper off I'm runnin letro 5.0 and prami 1.0. I ran dermacrine and 11 kt after I got the lumps, and when I came off my left nipple started to feel sensitive and got a little bigger. Letro got it back under control though.

I've heard of guys getting gyno from epi. and I've heard of some guys using it to treat it. I think if someone got gyno from it they probably fucked up their PCT. I don't know when they got the gyno but I think it's gotta be PCT. I've been wanting to run epi but I figure the small chance it might make the gyno smaller makes it even more enticing.

Thanks so much for all the advice and help my bros.

So I guess the plan is to just run forma for my pct, no SERM (torem). By the way, nolva doesn't work on me.

I'll probably introduce Forma Stanzol in week 5 or 6 of the epi, because in my experience it takes a good week or two to build up. 5 pumps AM and PM and that will carry into PCT till that bottle's gone.

Again, I'll have letro and prami on hand, as well as adex. If I get any tenderness, enlargement, anything, I'll run adex first, if that doesn't clear it up in a few days it's on to the letro.

 

[NoFatChicks91]

^ I agree bro, I think there's more to the story.