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Burning_Inside
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actually there can be a way. If you had a program that could analyze the way photoshop blurs the image in the firstplace, and sort of "reverse engineer" the process...eh i dont feel like explaining it.
NY Muscle said:
actually there can be a way. If you had a program that could analyze the way photoshop blurs the image in the firstplace, and sort of "reverse engineer" the process...eh i dont feel like explaining it.
smallmovesal
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no you can't really do that any way i know
HappyScrappy
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if you still had the working document instead of say a jpeg or something of it, then yeah - it is easy. the psd file (photoshop document).
what burning inside said is correct.
when it is blurred, it is running a funtion over the selected area. it looks at the raster image in memory and analyzes the pixel - going to each one and blending it with the next, etc etc.
so technically you should be able to reverse that process...
but there is no built in method in photoshop where you can load it up and say "unblur this"
there is a sharpen function, but that will mostly just bring out the lines - it might help read it a bit, but it won't unblur it.
what burning inside said is correct.
when it is blurred, it is running a funtion over the selected area. it looks at the raster image in memory and analyzes the pixel - going to each one and blending it with the next, etc etc.
so technically you should be able to reverse that process...
but there is no built in method in photoshop where you can load it up and say "unblur this"
there is a sharpen function, but that will mostly just bring out the lines - it might help read it a bit, but it won't unblur it.
smallmovesal
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well yes that will work HS but i think he has a jpg or something from somewhere that he found and has blurry words and he wants to know what they say or something.
in that case, sharpening or attempting to unblur won't help diddley.
in that case, sharpening or attempting to unblur won't help diddley.
HappyScrappy
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smallmovesal said:
lol - that would be what I just said.
there is no "unblur" - only the ability to undo what you have done - which isn't there on a jpeg from elsewhere.
and the sharpen would work - but not on everything, it depends on how blurred and what type.
and yes, if you wanted to spend the time programming it, you could do it - but it would be more of a brute force sort of thing.
you could write a genetic algorithm to speed it up a bit as long as you scored it correctly - basically changing the values of each pixel until it fit in with the unblurred portion better.
smallmovesal
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HappyScrappy said:
my point, which you are overlooking - i just can't figure out why you bothered explaining when it's apparent he didn't blur the image in the first place.
let's not get into semantics. there is no "unblur" you know what i was saying... and you just reiterated it.
HappyScrappy
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a psd file is still considered an image. so if you had one - which I doubt he does - then you could go in and back up through the history.
calm your ass down.
the point in the long run is that, yes, one could unblur it. and the second point being is that I don't feel that he is one of the ones that could (meaning there isn't existing software that I know of that will do it and he would then have to code it himself).
blah.
calm your ass down.
the point in the long run is that, yes, one could unblur it. and the second point being is that I don't feel that he is one of the ones that could (meaning there isn't existing software that I know of that will do it and he would then have to code it himself).
blah.
smallmovesal
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HappyScrappy said:
of course he doesn't.. so i don't know why you bothered telling him. the end.
Japanese machine
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depends how blurry it is, if its totally unreadable to begin with, it cant be done, but a little blur can be fixed by upping th resolution to 500 then adding a additional gaussian blur, then playing around with the unsharp mask tool.
p0ink
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here, check it out for yourselves, and then let me know. www.tapeworm.net and click on the first circle. it has the tracklist for the new maynard/reznor/lohner project, but they are all blurred, and i was just wondering if there was any way to undo it.
smallmovesal
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not likely you're gonna get a lot from that.
HappyScrappy
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well, if you really care, then you know the style that he usually names things.
you know the type of font used.
you can blow it up and tilt/skew it, and then make out certain letters (just from the way it is now, the first letter of track one looks like a V) and then take it from there. if you can get enough letters, then you can fill in the rest.
it is sort of like a poor man's cryptography
(technically it is more steganography - sp? - I suppose)
you know the type of font used.
you can blow it up and tilt/skew it, and then make out certain letters (just from the way it is now, the first letter of track one looks like a V) and then take it from there. if you can get enough letters, then you can fill in the rest.
it is sort of like a poor man's cryptography
(technically it is more steganography - sp? - I suppose)
HappyScrappy
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actually, yeah - if there were money on the line - I could do this.
do you think there is demand to know the titles of his album before it comes out (I'm presuming that is why it is blurred out)?
demand that would get money?
I can go into detail of how to do it (programatically) if you want. it is basically brute forcing it.
do you think there is demand to know the titles of his album before it comes out (I'm presuming that is why it is blurred out)?
demand that would get money?
I can go into detail of how to do it (programatically) if you want. it is basically brute forcing it.
p0ink
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i dont know about money, but im sure you would get alot of props from the unofficial 'official' tool website, and piss off trent reznor and maynard to no end. im pretty sure the first track is named 'vacant', because that is the only song i heard from them so far, and i doubt many other tracks will start with a V
HappyScrappy
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(all my opinion after this)
there is at least one other that starts with a V
there are at least two that start with a W
there are at least two that start with a P
there is at least one that is an F
and at least one A
the M's are hard to tell from the Ws
The way you could "crack" this is if they are all dictionary words.
Then you rotate and skew the image so that they are as if you were looking at them straight on.
Then you play a bit and get the right font - it looks like a Times type font of some variety.
Then you write a program that goes through a dictionary, blurs the word, and then does a pattern match on the outline.
For instance you can know that the first song isn't likely Vacant because it has one or maybe two bars that come down below the bottom of the V. so it looks more like Viper if anything.
I would guess 7 is more likely to be "Vacant" than the others.
This would be a huge task if you didn't know the word length, or if the words could be any letters in a row.
but in this case, you know they are likely dictionary words, and you know the shape of letters - that lowercase p, q, y, and j in that font go below the bottom line of the other fonts - so if you have a break at the bottom, then you know that it contains one of them - greatly reducing the possible words to choose from.
When does his album come out and more importantly does the list of songs come out?
it would take some time to write the program simply because I haven't written image blurring software before, so I'd have to dick with it a bit first - the rest I can do b/c it is much like a lot of crypto stuff I have done.
unfortunately, fame from the Tool site isn't gonna get me job - whereas money would be good b/c I need money.
there is at least one other that starts with a V
there are at least two that start with a W
there are at least two that start with a P
there is at least one that is an F
and at least one A
the M's are hard to tell from the Ws
The way you could "crack" this is if they are all dictionary words.
Then you rotate and skew the image so that they are as if you were looking at them straight on.
Then you play a bit and get the right font - it looks like a Times type font of some variety.
Then you write a program that goes through a dictionary, blurs the word, and then does a pattern match on the outline.
For instance you can know that the first song isn't likely Vacant because it has one or maybe two bars that come down below the bottom of the V. so it looks more like Viper if anything.
I would guess 7 is more likely to be "Vacant" than the others.
This would be a huge task if you didn't know the word length, or if the words could be any letters in a row.
but in this case, you know they are likely dictionary words, and you know the shape of letters - that lowercase p, q, y, and j in that font go below the bottom line of the other fonts - so if you have a break at the bottom, then you know that it contains one of them - greatly reducing the possible words to choose from.
When does his album come out and more importantly does the list of songs come out?
it would take some time to write the program simply because I haven't written image blurring software before, so I'd have to dick with it a bit first - the rest I can do b/c it is much like a lot of crypto stuff I have done.
unfortunately, fame from the Tool site isn't gonna get me job - whereas money would be good b/c I need money.
HappyScrappy
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oh and g - forgot that - one of them looks to end in g - which usually means and "ing" word
HappyScrappy
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looks like 11 ends in "d" - 8 also looks like it ends in "d"
HappyScrappy
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I ran some filters over it to bring out the edges and contrast a little better - they are still blurry though.
the human brain is actually good enough that if you squint it will try to figure out the words based on the blurred shape - amazing stuff.
doesn't mean it is right all the time
lol #5 looks a lot like the word "advantage"
something tells me that isn't a Reznor lyric
the human brain is actually good enough that if you squint it will try to figure out the words based on the blurred shape - amazing stuff.
doesn't mean it is right all the time
lol #5 looks a lot like the word "advantage"
something tells me that isn't a Reznor lyric
p0ink
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well the project idea came up in the media around 4-5 years ago when trent reznor mentioned he was doing a side project with maynard, and that it was supposed to be out 'relatively soon', but apparently that wasnt the case (as with any tool or NIN project). but yeah, it looks like it would be complicated as hell to do this. the album will probably be out in nov or dec.
HappyScrappy
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oh cool - so it is feasible that there are still a few months before they get leaked.
the main issue is, say I go through the trouble and then someone that was in that room, or some record person with access to the song titles then just releases them anyway before the program is done... well, that is a bit frustrating then.
the idea is cool though - I officially am interested
(the other stumbling block is if they will move towards Maynard's tendancy to use words that aren't really real words... that would force this out of the dictionary stage (which is fast due to narrowing down the possibilities from a fixed set of words - to it then being nearly anything within a vague set of what letters go where...)
the main issue is, say I go through the trouble and then someone that was in that room, or some record person with access to the song titles then just releases them anyway before the program is done... well, that is a bit frustrating then.
the idea is cool though - I officially am interested
(the other stumbling block is if they will move towards Maynard's tendancy to use words that aren't really real words... that would force this out of the dictionary stage (which is fast due to narrowing down the possibilities from a fixed set of words - to it then being nearly anything within a vague set of what letters go where...)
p0ink
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i think they wont give out the song titles until the last minute. when tool's lateralus was in post-production, they were still giving false ridiculous names for each track to throw people off, however, trent reznor isnt a sarcastic prick like maynard is, so i dont think he would do that, plus they are blurred on there, and not visible. plus most albums leak anywhere from 4 months before an album hits stores, and lateralus was the most anticipated cd at that time, and still only leaked 2 days before the release date. they had AWESOME security on the cd. shit, look at bands like system of a down. i and thousands of others already have their new cd that got leaked...which pissed of serj so much, he is refusing to even release the cd as a 'punishment'
HappyScrappy
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LOL - punishment
you took it, therefore I'm not gonna give it to you.
so there.
love it
you took it, therefore I'm not gonna give it to you.
so there.
love it
