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PH for lean solid keepable mass?

WannaBPowerful

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Im not lookin to get HUGE really quick, or look for a quick fix right now. Im lookin to add some solid lean mass that i can keep, and take some 6-oxo after the cycle. What PH would you recommend? No 1-AD becuase you hold water, and then its hard to keep your gains. No one+ because it can possibly aromatize. Im thinkin more along the lines of 1-TU, 1-Test, or something like that. Karma to all who can give me a solid opinion with maybe some reasons to back up their answer. THANX
 
Your best bet is probably One. You want a reason? I've used it and it helped harden me up, thats all I can say. Side effects were much less noticable than with 1-AD. I used probably on average, 4 squirts twice a day, sometimes I would put on a few squirts of One+ when my libido felt it was taking a hit. As for size, I always go by how tight my T-shirts feel on my shoulders and arms--they got pretty tight on One.
 
Uhhh, 1-AD converts to 1-test in the body. SO it is the exact same thing.

I am on 1-AD and holding no water. I began the cycle stacking with androstenedione--you wan tto see smooth? I discontinued it and within a few days I could se my abs again.

Repeat: 1-AD does not make you carry water.

JC
 
A Cut and Paste From Another Post of Mine

1AD converts to 1-Test, thus, no accrual of water will come. ONE+, with the inclusion of 4AD, does lend itself to marginal Estrogenic formation but that is rather mild in most, and such (volume/fluid) retention also makes toward greater pumps and increased gains; Estrogen also impacts the CNS leading to greater aggression/intensity.

Quoted from Avant's site:

The only difference betweem the two, other than ONE having a bit more 1-test per serving, is the inclusion of 4-AD in ONE+. The primary thing this is going to do that could not be provided by an equipotent amount of 1-test, is to provide estrogen. This will have a number of effects.

First, it will cause some fluid retention, which will not only increase strength, but it should ultimately lead to greater muscle growth, because hypertrophy is all about tension overload on the muscle fiber. It might directly aid protein synthesis by increasing cell volume. Estrogen also more directly aids muscle building by increasing androgen receptor density, increasing growth hormone and IGF-1 levels, and enhancing glucose utilization by the muscle.

The precense of estrogen is also necessary for the manifestation of many of effects normally associated with androgen use, such as increases in CNS stimulation/strength, libido, and aggression. Due to their lack of aromatization, and the fact that they suppress natural test (thus, estrogen), users of 1-AD, and 1-test by itself, actually experience as decrease in these areas rather than an increase.


Thus, I think it is definitely advantageous on a bulking cycle.



On the flip side, estrogen also causes some effects that one might prefer to avoid. As mentioned, it causes water retention (though, the amount from 4-AD is in the 3-4 lb range, rather than the 10+ one might get from a testosterone ester). In addition, it can also cause increases in body fat. Thus, ONE is probably the product of choice if you are dieting.
 
In THEORY 1-AD should do the same thing as 1-Test, in my EXPERIENCE, that has not been the case. Don't get me wrong, 1-AD will pack on the size, but it definitely produces more sides than transdermal 1-test. When taking as little as 300 mg/day of 1-AD, I had that damn eye twitching and got really bad acne. I have never had any eye twitching on 1-test and although it makes my skin oily, the acne is not as bad. This is in theory, probably due to lower peak levels of 1-test in the blood when going the transdermal route. I don't really care about the theory though, I go by what I have experienced.
 
Bigass said:
In THEORY 1-AD should do the same thing as 1-Test, in my EXPERIENCE, that has not been the case. Don't get me wrong, 1-AD will pack on the size, but it definitely produces more sides than transdermal 1-test. When taking as little as 300 mg/day of 1-AD, I had that damn eye twitching and got really bad acne. I have never had any eye twitching on 1-test and although it makes my skin oily, the acne is not as bad. This is in theory, probably due to lower peak levels of 1-test in the blood when going the transdermal route. I don't really care about the theory though, I go by what I have experienced.

Excellent observation.

I don't know much about VPX but I would wager that One is the best transdermal 1-test out there. This is mostly due to my impression of Par Deus as a very intelligent, honest, fair guy. The reasoning behind his formulations of transdermals looks quite sound as well.

JC
 
I took 1-test by VPX Sports. 6 week cycle. Got awsome results. Ate like a pig and got more vascular, stronger, and bigger. I ate more and lost fat. It did not cause water retention (however the creatine did) and I notice only a slight slight very slight loss is sex drive but still had no problems performing. I thought VPX's 1-test was actually 1-test before I baught it but its not, its a 1-ad that still needs to be converted. Avantlabs has 1-test in it already. That would have been my firts choice if I knew. Me personally, I don't like orals.

1-ad, One, or VPX 1-test should do what you want it to.

You can see my pic results here of 1-test
http://www.mscomputer.com/index/testing/racks.html

I aslo have a thread on my whole cycle with it.

Scaggs
 
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