Hope this helps ...Here is someone's personal experience with pgf2a. Have
fun reading.
Well if bodyfat is a concern, yes. For the
hardcore bodybuilder who wants nothing but size, no.
This is about doing something nobody did before (i
think), shooting everywhere in the upperbody, so this
could be a milestone. Here are the long results: Using
3 bottles Lutalyse from Upjohn and 60 amps of 5 cc
from Sintyal (Argentinia). The Upjohn is organic; the
Sintyal syntetic (more slow acting). 390 cc for around
150 days, gives an average of 2.5 cc/day. Started on
may 22, last shot october 24. Bad points for PG: Too
many injections Sweating Chills sometimes Needing the
bathroom 20 minutes after injection, sometimes a few
times in an hour Cramps in the intestine Cramps in the
stomac also Coughing after injection Needle phobia
Pain for 1-3 hours in the injected muscle. Did i
mention pain ? Bad points nobody mentionned before:
Getting sentitive behind the nipples. Nipple area
SHRINKS to about 1/3 or less of the normal size.
Nipple itself enlarges, doubling in size even when
injecting the arms. This means the WHOLE body is
involved. Injecting in the abs muscle or fat results
in a tickness that you can feel. The abs muscle
absorbs the Lutalyse, or the PG attaches to the abs
muscles and you cannot do anything against it, but
wait untill it goes away. Pain in both feet when
taking more then 1 ½ cc a day. This started about 1
month after the beginning. (Arthritis ?). Drinking
Coke is unpleasant about one hour after the shot, it
thickels too hard. Even drinking coffee feels too
intense, unpleasant. Good points for PG: High blood
pressure goes DOWN (the lower, dangerous one) NO
stress on liver. NO stress on kidneys. No need taking
pills to go to the bathroom. No Deca-dick (hehehe). No
prostate problems. No hair loss. No roid rage. No
water retention (not at doses of 5 cc a day). No
growing hair on your body, besides everyone wants it
on the head. Getting used to the bad sides. Putting
the 30 gauge needle in is never a problem, unless you
keep injecting the same spot over and over. Pain is
diminishing. You can draw up with a 30 gauge so you
can shoot with a 31/32 if you can find it. First 2
months only shooting in the arms and delts, mostly
arms. Third month alternating arms, delts, abs muscle.
Meanwhile noticing arm size shrinking. Fourth and
fifth month injection in the fat only. Injections took
place in the lower bi’s/tri’s, mid bi’s/tri’s, higher
bi’s/tri’s, brachialis, front delts, side delts, rear
delts, forearms, quads, waist every where, like abs
muscle, abs fat, lower back fat, higher back fat,
sides (love handles), obliques, chest under, chest
behind the nipples. No calve shooting since shooting
the left quad made me walk like if i had an injury. So
calves shooting wouldn’t be any better, besides the
Ranger pointed out that shooting the calves would
result in walking funny. Forearms, stopped this after
5 or 6 injections (each side). Or it was in a vein,
hitting a nerve or bone. Bi’s and tri’s, stopped those
because it was getting harder and harder to do. But
the ½ inch i gained after 5-6 weeks did go away, so
for me this was enough to stop shooting the arms. You
know 1 step forward , 2 steps back, hate that. I know
of guys who didn’t gain any muscle size of it, but a
lot DID gain. Maybe it depends on the doses, maybe it
works more for some then for others. Remember there
are guys who gain almost nothing shooting Test and
others will grow like crazy. In my case maybe i should
not have dropped the 11 pounds, should have waited,
who knows. As Darkham states maybe you should use
extra Insulin. PG is a fat killer, that’s for sure, my
chest looks better, fat under the nipple is less then
before, almost gone completely. Also the lower back
has lost fat, before my lower back looked good in the
morning, bad in the evening, bad for me anyway. Now i
am pleased with my lower back in the evening also.
This should say enough. Especially since after
starting with the Lutalyse my bodyweight was 198
pounds (coming off a Winny cycle) and i dropped 11
pounds to look better, more cut. Now i am at 202
pounds (still on Primobolan) and there is no need to
drop weight. Dropping weight occurs only to loose
bodyfat, when it feels or looks not the way it should.
You look better then before the use of PG, that’s a F
A C T. As for the abs, this is more difficult to say,
because the six-pack isn’t showing like it should
(damn). Did shoot in the abs muscle. Sometimes taking
2 cc and sticking myself in 10 different places
covering the abs area. Fat was lost in the abs, just
don’t know how much. If you have very much fat, well
you will need a lot more then 800 shots to even see
some results or you need MORE cc’s. Got me an injury
in the upmost right ab muscle. The echo in the
hospital showed that my abs muscle was 0.7 inch thick
(1.7 cm). I had an injury of about 0.4 inch (1 cm)
around. It was a torned muscle, but why round like a
circle (?). Scary. If it didn’t go away in 3 weeks an
operation was needed (in the abs, thanks but no
thanks). So i trained very carefully, loosing some
size on the arms again, no tri’s training since this
involves a lot of abs work. You notice this more when
you are injured. Convinced that the injury had nothing
to do with the abs muscle injection, i kept on
injecting them, but not the injured spot. After give
or take 4 weeks, i did hit the repaired muscle again,
and guess what ? 7 days later, the injury was back, so
no more abs muscle injection for me. Besides i am not
fully recovered of this injury right now. Shooting fat
in the abs, lower back and chest (under the nipple)
resulted in fat loss. After injecting the abs, a few
days later the skin gets tighter, fat is going away,
BUT after a week it seems that the skin gets looser
again, so : a)there is water coming in (not going
away, and this would be impossible, i think) b)the
body restores to the original state. This fast, so
this means mostly water disappeared and was coming
back. c)the body builds new fat cells to restore the
imbalance it gets. d)fat cells where not killed but
getting smaller and recover after about a week, but if
this was the case, then why good results in the back
and chest ? e)any suggestions ? Right know, fat cells
are not coming back behind the nipples, sides, back or
abs. And i must stress abs are looking better, but the
600 mgr Primo/week can make a difference. Just don’t
know for the moment. The body does not fight back when
your arms, delts get leaner. But where the waist is
concerned, the body fights back, maybe this is just a
feeling. Also shooting in the abs muscle OR fat
resulted in a thickness that will stay there for about
7-12 days and then goes away. As if the abs muscle
sucks up the Lutalyse INSTANTLY, and it does. I mean
after shooting the abs (mostly 1 ½ cc in 3 shots) i
start massaging the injected area, but cannot alter
the thickness that comes right after injection. The
Lutalyse attaches to the abs muscle and won’t let go.
Shooting the muscle or fat gives the same result. When
i started with PG, like anybody else with small
dosages, like 4x2 shots of 0.2 cc, going up fast to
4x2x0.5 shots, arms changed impressively. Gaining ½
inch in 5-6 weeks. They look leaner, more muscular.
Max injected in bi’s or tri’s in one shot was 1 ½ cc.
After stopping arms injection the ½ inch gained was
lost again, as said, but they stayed very, very lean.
Maybe the dosages where not high enough, but 4-5 cc’s
a day was enough for me. Odd but normally i gain 0.4
inch (1 cm) on the arms stuffing myself and gaining 7
pounds, 0.8 inch for 14 pounds. But not anymore. Now
coming from 187 pounds to 202 gaines where barely 0.3
inch. This means my arms are leaned out, although i
did NOT have fatty arms on the outside (please give me
a break), maybe there was more on the inside. But now
all fat seems to be disappeared. Gaining or loosing
weight does not alter the arm size anymore, not like
before. So it is hard to tell that there was no arm
size gained. One doesn’t know how much fat there was
lost. Let’s say you loose ¾ inch of fat, so you have
to gain ¾ inch of muscle to restore the original size.
For me fat was lost and muscle gained, but there was
some size loss. If you want to take more then 4-5 cc’s
a day, like 10 or 15, you will only be able to do this
for a few weeks. Big Brother Val is one of those
extreem very heavy users and he gets great results of
it. If you come off a cycle, changes are that you
still have roids in your body for about a month, so
you never where really off roids, but maybe you gain
and keep more, since you are keeping your body in an
anabolic state for a longer period. So i think
although it can be nice (not pleasant) to bridge with
PG, you will get better results taking roids and PG
together. Shooting roids and a few hours later PG gets
you an effect way too strong, like getting an heart
attack, especially if the PG was shot in the fat,
which lets the Lutalyse stampeding through your lungs,
mouth, everywhere. I had this effect and this was 30
minutes after eating. It was 4 hours after a
Primobolan shot. This nevers occurs if you wait 7 or
more hours. That’s way i know roids like Primo work
heavier a few hours after the shot. Taking roids after
the PG gives no problems, best is to wait one hour,
just to be sure. When i said pain is there for between
1-3 hours. One hour is normal but injecting in the
left breast from downunder up, to close to the ribcage
resulted in pain for 3 hours. It was a stupid shot,
not using the mirror, doing it way to fast, but after
so many shots, you know...Well the pain, you could
feel in the heart muscle. The heart was definitly
affected. Did this only once. Shooting under the
nipple is ok and did help a lot. Shots in the lower
back are the easiest of them all (after all those
months anyway). Shots in the sides are also easy to
do. Obliques a little harder, but not that much.
Nobody mentions the nipple problem. Nipple area
shrinking to 1/3 or less of the normal size and nipple
itself enlarging to double size. Getting very
sensitive as if gyno is coming up. But i have this
already for 5 months, so i guess it will be ok. This
has nothing to do with shooting under the nipple. Even
injecting in the arms, and i started in the arms where
else ? gave this situation from the beginning. Also
after a month my feet began to hurt. After a month it
was the right foot. First you think you did something
wrong training your calves, or going on the
stairstepper, you just don’t know what is happening.
Then a few weeks later it’s the left foot also. I
don’t know what it is, but it was getting tougher and
tougher. Standing still was very difficult. So i had
to reduce the cc’s taken every day. Now after stopping
for 3 days, the pain is going away. It is still there
but less intense. Strange, even injecting the delts
about 5 times less then the arms, they respond better.
So anyone remembers the late Dan Duchaine’s words ?
“They where getting lean and muscular, but all look
like monkeys because of the huge delts.” At that point
i think the late Dan didn’t go deep enough in his
study. Why would any BB get delts like a monkey. There
is not ONE BB that would shoot PG for local growth in
the delts alone. Not one. So everyone is/was shooting
the delts AND arms. Why didn’t Duchaine say: they all
got over-developed arms. Well in my opinion some
bodyparts react better on PG then other, react better
and grow better. I felt progress in the delts myself,
for keeps, not the arms though (no size gains). On a
(pain)scale i would give PGF2a 8/10, (roids 3/10)
because if it would be any harder to take, i would
pass. You may not forget, this if for improving your
body, not your last change for STAYING ALIVE. But the
pain gets less intensive after months of shooting. In
fact right now i could take this forever, one
injection cycle a day, otherwise it would be getting
too much. You know ....shoot, shoot , shoot I know the
Ranger gives PG 5-6 for pain, but he is a pain freak
and not everyone has the same pain level he has.
Besides if he gives PG 5-6 he will give roids 1-2, i
am very sure of this. Conclusions : There are some
good sides you can have using PG, but you are the only
person to judge this, since you have to go through a
lot of discomfort. Don’t buy too much at once, buy one
bottle, try it out, then decide if you want more. And
please use insulin needles. Some say shoot the PG 30
minutes after eating, for your insuline release, i
disagree. Shoot the PG and be sure to eat 5-10 minutes
after the shot and you definitly feel better. (I don’t
say your results will be better). I stopped after 5
months because i ran out of PG and one has to stop
sometime. Besides the bad, unknow sides that can come
in the long run scare me. Will i be on it again ?
Don’t know. If the fat stays away and the lean look
stays, no, because then i have all that is want. But
doing it again, to be even more lean, is very
tempting. Although it seems you can gain fast size on
your arms, i think you can gain this on roids alone
also. Even if it takes 3 months longer, it sure is
more comfortable. And why the rush ?
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