people, get over yourselves...

[strongchick]

For those of you who turned my rant about Americans being oppressive to people of color around the world into a "strongchick racist thread"...

ONE MORE TIME:

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Quit "using" me and my perspective as an opportunity to slam blacks who supposedly believe the world owes them something.

 

[The Shadow]

Well....

...I might like it better if YOU were over ME...

 

[GinNJuice]

You said "We"

Now, tell me.... if you take ANY individual who lost their life in that tragedy..... and explain HOW they DESERVED to die?

 

[Gilbyag]

Re: Well....

...I might like it better if YOU were over ME...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Big Buck]

May I throw up now....your posts honestly make me sick. I can't believe that people like me fight and DIE for people like you.....Your views are scewed and slandered...your "facts" are mere propaganda promoted by *some* of our "nation's leaders"...

 

[smallmovesal]

Re: Well....

...I might like it better if YOU were over ME...

she's a lesbian i think... how about she and i hit it while i do something to you cornhole?

 

[GinNJuice]

Re: Re: Well....

she's a lesbian i think... how about she and i hit it while i do something to you cornhole?

Quit teasing Smalls

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Re: Well....

she's a lesbian i think... how about she and i hit it while i do something to you cornhole?

Oh my!!!

The day keeps getting better, and better, and better...OK - I can't get up from behind the desk at the moment...

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Re: Re: Well....

Quit teasing Smalls

Shut your mouth. You ruining my mid-afternoon delight. ROTF.

Don't send me no bad Karma either HOBag.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by strongchick

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

Once again.....FUCK YOU.

 

[Sushi X]

ooo, smalls, please, make me sing baby!!!

strongchick, i have one request for you since you have shown yourself to be an anti-american communits: SHUT UP OR GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your attitude towards what happend makes me sick. you are not a red-blooded american but a cold booded commie and i think you should go tell bin laden what a wonderful person you think he is seeing he is a person of color. i'm going to puke now...........

 

[MommaKin]

Not to insult you in the least, strongchick, even though you've done so to me, but, I think you should quit while you're ahead......it seems as though ppl have already made up their minds about you and nothing, I repeat nothing, you say now will change their minds.....that's just the way ppl are.....in fact, you'll probably end up digging yourself in deeper.....this being, of course, my humble opinion

For those of you who turned my rant about Americans being oppressive to people of color around the world into a "strongchick racist thread"...

ONE MORE TIME:

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Quit "using" me and my perspective as an opportunity to slam blacks who supposedly believe the world owes them something.

 

[GinNJuice]

You said "We"

Now, tell me.... if you take ANY individual who lost their life in that tragedy..... and explain HOW they DESERVED to die?

....... so you won't ignore my question...

 

[smallmovesal]

Re: Re: Re: Well....

Oh my!!!

The day keeps getting better, and better, and better...OK - I can't get up from behind the desk at the moment...

i gots to stop listening to this britney song.. it's making me so horny for some reason.

i totally want to go to a club and grind to this song...

 

[Warik]

Didn't you say you were leaving the board for a while, strongchick?

Can't you even do that right?

-Warik

 

[Kahn]

wanna go to lunch sometime?

 

[Julez]

GinNJuice
You said "We"

Yeah, I would like to know what Strong Chick meant by 'we' too. Is she a terrorist? I wonder how many 'people of colour' got killed on that day to? I wonder how many of those guys like Big Buck who are willing to give their lives defending the free world are 'men of colour'.

As I said to you Strong Chick in another thread, this is not about colour. These people we are fighting are the most biggoted, racist, intollerant, uneducated and violent scum that ever walked the face of the earth. They will kill ANYONE that disagrees with their fucked up policys, they could'nt give a shit what colour you are.

They will ALL pay in this world and the next, regardless of colour.

And, we have to 'stoop to their level' in order to protect ourselves from future acts of mass murder and terrorism.

 

[dballer]

ONE MORE TIME:

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

READ THIS PEOPLE!!!! READ IT GOOD AND HARD!!!!

HOW CAN ANY OF YOU STAND UP FOR THIS SEWER RAT SHITBAG??

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

why are you so pissed because _I_ think America brought this on us?

 

[Bull69]

How much bad karma would it take to get this idiot BANNED.

 

[dballer]

ONE MORE TIME:


We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

6000 people... mother, fathers.. firemen, rescue workers, police... people who protect you.

BITCH!!!

 

[Badkins21]

Bull69: Let's find out!

 

[GinNJuice]

Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

why are you so pissed because _I_ think America brought this on us?

First you said "We" and now you said "US"


Again, please explain why any ONE of those murdered...deserved it?

Go ahead, pick any ONE of the 6000 and tell my why that ONE person deserved to die.

 

[Sushi X]

it pisses me off that people like you think what happend is justified. you isolate yoursefl from the rest of america casue you say we got what we deserve. we(america) do our best to help other countries in the world. we send troops over to stop the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, we send billions of dollars to help countries in need, we send tons of food to starving countries, we support our allies, we are there when we are needed. you want to blame all the death tolls on american actions and yet you have no real proof. you posted some stats but they were only partial, not full eveidence and you did not list a source. your source for all i know may be the enquireror(sp) which is a hogwash paper anyway.

again, you just need to hush and go tell president bush what you are telling us. tell all of NYC what you are telling us, tell the people at the Pentagon and in Pennsyvania what you are telling us. you don't have the gall to do, so you use this website where nothing can happen to you. if we were in the 50's right now and you were saying this you would be arrested as a communist.

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

First you said "We" and now you said "US"


Again, please explain why any ONE of those murdered...deserved it?

Go ahead, pick any ONE of the 6000 and tell my why that ONE person deserved to die.

I didn't say anyone deserved to die.

 

[talonracer]

For those of you who turned my rant about Americans being oppressive to people of color around the world into a "strongchick racist thread"...

ONE MORE TIME:

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Quit "using" me and my perspective as an opportunity to slam blacks who supposedly believe the world owes them something.

So 6,000 americans deserved to get slaughtered in your view?? Again people her hatred stands here for everyone to see, the people in New York DESERVED this. Damn I'd love to meet her now and take my glock this 10 year old kid who's doing this shit needs to get hammered

 

[dballer]

ONE MORE TIME:

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

I didn't say anyone deserved to die.

WHAT??? LIAR!!!! LIAR!!!! LIAR!!!!! LIAR!!!!!!! DISGUST

 

[GinNJuice]

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

I didn't say anyone deserved to die.

Are you an Idiot? .... you can't remember writing this?

 

[dballer]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

Are you an Idiot? .... you can't remember writing this?

See above.

 

[Badkins21]

This confused individual obviously has some serous problems...

She is admittedly irrational, and illogical.

She contradicts herself constantly...

If I had the ability, I would pity her...but I'm glad I don't.

 

[strongchick]

it pisses me off that people like you think what happend is justified.


I think justified is not exactly what I'm saying. Over time, in a collective sense, we deserve some kind of retaliation for our collective wrongs to other countries, our misshapen foreign policies.


you isolate yoursefl from the rest of america casue you say we got what we deserve. we(america) do our best to help other countries in the world. we send troops over to stop the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people,


We have slaughtered thousands of innocent people. Remember VietNam?


we send billions of dollars to help countries in need, we send tons of food to starving countries, we support our allies, we are there when we are needed. you want to blame all the death tolls on american actions and yet you have no real proof. you posted some stats but they were only partial, not full eveidence and you did not list a source. your source for all i know may be the enquireror(sp) which is a hogwash paper anyway.


The paper was written by a dept head of Legal Studies at a nationally known university on the east coast.

again, you just need to hush and go tell president bush what you are telling us. tell all of NYC what you are telling us, tell the people at the Pentagon and in Pennsyvania what you are telling us. you don't have the gall to do, so you use this website where nothing can happen to you. if we were in the 50's right now and you were saying this you would be arrested as a communist.

This is just a discussion. I have no solid proof that we are as bad as I say, and you have no proof that we are as good as you say.

We have propaganda. At least I have some papers and links that discuss our wrongdoing, and bothered to post excerpts here.


Please post all the great things America does for others so I can read them. They will be from the same propaganda machines you and others have been putting down.

 

[minion]

For those of you who turned my rant about Americans being oppressive to people of color around the world into a "strongchick racist thread"...

ONE MORE TIME:

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Quit "using" me and my perspective as an opportunity to slam blacks who supposedly believe the world owes them something.

Great now we have an "E"-terrorist?!?!

This is proof that after we STOMP a mudhole on terrorist organizations and then proceed to walk it dry we will turn our attention to the anti-semitist in our own country.

If you don't like it here then leave, why is that so difficult for you to understand? Instead you chose to incite us, insult us. You are a glutton for punishment, obviously. Just as the terrorist are.

If you are not for us then you are against us.

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

Are you an Idiot? .... you can't remember writing this?

'deserve retaliation' is not the same as 'deserve to die'.

retaliation does not equal death.

Deserve retaliation=we deserve to be awakened to the vast contradictory foreign policy.
We deserve to be awakened to our 'selective morality'.

We don't deserve to die....rather, we deserve to be jolted out of our comfort zone.

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

If you are not for us then you are against us.

Bush said that. Who is Bush to decide for the whole world, that not taking a stance on the terrorists means you are against the US?

I understand the gist of the statement (to encourage other nations to help us stomp out terrorism), but its implications are ridiculous...if say, Sweden, didn't take a stance on terrorism, would we then be at war against Sweden?

 

[Badkins21]

So, no one died on 9/11? Is that just "propaganda?" Is that why you can say "I said we deserved retaliation, not that we deserved to die?" Notice I say WE, which includes YOU, since you FUCKING LIVE HERE, and the terrorists HATE THOSE THAT LIVE HERE...

When you emerge into the POST-operational stage of development, please start posting again...

 

[Sushi X]

wow, not only can't you remember anything you can't read either. what has america done for others:

we send troops to help stop the killing of hundeds of thousands of innocent people due to their ethnic background. we send tons of food to various countries to help feed them, we send billions of dollars to countries to help them out when need be, we send books and medical supplies to other countries to help educate them and provide some sort of healthcare. shall i go on? we were there to help japan rebuild(what did we do to deserve pearl harbor, you do remember that don't you?) after wwII, we helped germany rebuild after wwII and the nazis were taken out.

you mention vietnam, that's funny cause i remember more americans died than the viet-cong. i admit we had no business there but nevertheless, we were there and more of ours died than theirs. you can't blame america for all the deaths in the world. if a village in afghanistan gets wiped out by the taliban and they say it's america's doing, who are you going to believe. its' a war tactice and you are one of the people who fall for it.

all your evidence is that you say is from some person at a university on the east coast. that does not say much to me. anyone can write a paper.

you continue to say we deserve retaliation. we don't deserve retaliation as we did nothing to deserve it. poor bin laden, angry because we have people in saudi arabia and we are friends with israel. oh poor cry baby. he needs to stick his gun up his arse and pull the trigger. we have his people in our country, we have anti american students in this country, we should get them all and deport them. anyone who is anti-america and in this country should leave and not come back.

 

[strongchick]

So, no one died on 9/11? Is that just "propaganda?"

I don't understand why it is supposed to be so obvious that one set of atrocities deserves retaliation with another set?

If so, then we are stooping to their level. I think it would be smarter to approach this problem another way...all the bombing in the world isn't stopping Anthrax threats which may be coming from terrorists on our own soil. Hello?

It is a vicious cycle that will never end, and will lead to nuclear war eventually.

 

[strongchick]

you mention vietnam, that's funny cause i remember more americans died than the viet-cong. i admit we had no business there but nevertheless, we were there and more of ours died than theirs.

As usual, we had no business there. And you have seen, heard, read the stories from soldiers who killed women and children while accomplishing NOTHING.

 

[minion]

Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

Bush said that. Who is Bush to decide for the whole world, that not taking a stance on the terrorists means you are against the US?

I understand the gist of the statement (to encourage other nations to help us stomp out terrorism), but its implications are ridiculous...if say, Sweden, didn't take a stance on terrorism, would we then be at war against Sweden?

My God your clueless!!! What it ment when Pres. Bush said this was if you don't come on board then you'll basiclly be inviting them in your back yard. If we all work together they will have nowhere to hide. Together we can make terrorism obsolute. Not only that but it has been our policy since our country conception to "Manifest Destiny". The U.S.A. isn't just a country any more it's a concept or an idea and everyone can prosper while maintaining their perspective heritage. It will only strenthen ties accross the globe. Take a look at the big picture here.

You think you know what's "really" going on, but your ignorant. I don't mean it as in insult either. Your a mushroom in a dark corner you don't have a fucken clue. Its a simple matter of observation.

You only recite this trash because it empowers you to get the attention, like a foolish child lacking any foresight.

The U.S.A. isn't perfect granted but its the best damn thing going. (and Most of Europe, & Japan is cool too) (And Australia, oh yeah and Kiwi country is cool too.)

 

[Golfer18--old]

FUCK YOU BITCH- GO FUCKIN DIE

 

[Sushi X]

strongchick, you are a great liberal. you took one statement out of my entire post and made an illogical point. great work. again you missed the point, more of ours died than theirs. when the war was over we both went our seperate ways. bush made the right point, you are either with us or against us. if you commit terrorist acts or harbor terrorists then you are an enemy and must be dealt with. strongchick, your views on american are about as bad as theirs. you better hope you don't say things like this in public or you would be considered a domestic enemy and they will lock you up. one more request, hush puppy!

 

[Citruscide]

For those of you who turned my rant about Americans being oppressive to people of color around the world into a "strongchick racist thread"...

ONE MORE TIME:

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Quit "using" me and my perspective as an opportunity to slam blacks who supposedly believe the world owes them something.

I can't say I was surprised by the 9/11 retaliation, but I don't think ANYONE or ANY country deserves what happened in NYC. That is just a flat out ignorant comment.

Regardless of America's involvement around the world... this is our fucking country... we live together and we die together... You may disagree, but you are still a US citizen, if you have a problem with that... get the fuck out of the country.

C

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

Originally posted by minion


Not only that but it has been our policy since our country conception to "Manifest Destiny". The U.S.A. isn't just a country any more it's a concept or an idea and everyone can prosper while maintaining their perspective heritage. It will only strenthen ties accross the globe. Take a look at the big picture here.



'Manifest destiny' was used along with 'divine right' to support imperialist nations reasoning for taking over countries around the world for their natural resources. Religion and what not was abused this way as a justification - 'lets take the heathens land and convert them to Christianity'

Please use another argument which doesn't assist ME in proving MY point.


You only recite this trash because it empowers you to get the attention, like a foolish child lacking any foresight.


I am in the minority here, but many think the way I do. This group will grow as the war fails, which it will.


I can appreciate your point about spreading 'freedom' and 'democracy' values. But as has been said by many eminent leaders here, including an ambassador, we are applying our values in a selective, inconsistent fashion, and only when it benefits us. So people don't take us very seriously when it comes to spreading democracy. If there is no benefit to the US, this wonderful spreading doesn't happen.

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

I can't say I was surprised by the 9/11 retaliation, but I don't think ANYONE or ANY country deserves what happened in NYC. That is just a flat out ignorant comment.

Regardless of America's involvement around the world... this is our fucking country... we live together and we die together... You may disagree, but you are still a US citizen, if you have a problem with that... get the fuck out of the country.

C

Many folks here say the Taliban deserve their whole country to be stamped out.

Do they? They deserve punishment, but do their citizens deserve death as well?

 

[Lao Tzu]

May I throw up now....your posts honestly make me sick. I can't believe that people like me fight and DIE for people like you.....Your views are scewed and slandered...your "facts" are mere propaganda promoted by *some* of our "nation's leaders"...

jesus that's scary. just the idea that we aren't perfect is propaganda now.

you want to see propaganda

SHUT UP OR GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go read about 'thought stopping'. it is a psychological term that is used to prevent the mind from having to absorb info that is contrary to it's goals. i've heard the phrase 'if you don't like america, leave' several times by many people. classic thought stopping.

and, i'm sure you conservatives have no idea what foreign policy consists of. most of you think we have a humitarian foreign policy & give shitloads of foreign aid out in an effort to be moral cops.

 

[Sushi X]

if you are anit american you should not be here. this country has enought trouble without the anti americans here. nordstrom, i don't stop anyone from thinking, of voicing their views. i only react to them as i see them. her views are of the anti-american persuasion and i pointed that out. i want to hear your definition on foreign policy sense you liberals know it all anyway.

 

[talonracer]

As usual, we had no business there. And you have seen, heard, read the stories from soldiers who killed women and children while accomplishing NOTHING.

You are unreal, how's about you come here and talk to some vietnemese people that work at my company?? My partner at the other room I worked in was a South Vietnemese Army helicopter pilot, ask him about how charitable your buddies the communists were to his people and his country. He was chucked in a prison camp after 1975 and the only reason he wasn't executed like 90% of his comrades was that he bullshitted the commies into saying he was "reformed". He was in the prison for 10 years then when he got out he was not allowed to hold any job but a farmer and had no rights due to his serving in the South Viet army. He finally escaped one night and spent TWO WEEKS afloat on a raft with no food and no water after 7 days. Now contrast this guy to a total ingrate like stupidcunt and you'll see why people flock to this country. The commies over there would go into villages and totally wipe them out, yet you think they were more noble than our soldiers. Have you ever been to Pakistan, Iran or afghanistan?? I have and you sit here and whine about how cruel the US is here?? Take your ungrateful ass there and see how you are treated. Better yet go to Africa where they will hold you down and chop off your clitoris and labia with a sharp rock since its there "tradition". This idiot stupidchick had obviously never been to any of the countries she thinks are so great and noble, she just whines about how easy life is here.................well whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa when your rights are violated whereever you finally live at-who are you gonna cry to??

 

[Island Son]

Americans oppress other nations of color. I listed the stats several times of nations that have had millions killed.

I assume you misspelt "Americans" when you meant to write "Past US Foreign Policy has supported the". So I will reply that many nations kill their own citizens. Rwanda. Uganda. China. Germany. Iraq. Romania. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

We deserve some kind of retaliation...we got it on 9/11.

No nation in history has ever had clean hands. But you also say that American actions are wrong, but "retaliation agains America" is suddenly ok? You did say "deserve" right, implying justice?

This has NOTHING TO DO with blacks in America being oppressed.

Agreed. So that's off the topic now and won't be mentioned again.

I'm starting to think you deserve the flames you're getting, if you don't think before you write about such a raw subject. Choose your words carefully.

I REALLY would be upset if you think Bin Laden is some champion of human rights, when his true mission is to use his brainwashed cult to overthrow every Asian, Western and secular Islamic country in the world, remake them according to his warped desires, and kill people like you.

Are you doing this controversy thing on purpose? Trolling for flames?

 

[minion]

This isn't liberalism, I can respect a true liberal. Its only down the line that we begin to split hairs.

This is fanaticism and anti American it has no basis in the "real world". It is a fantasy world that will NEVER exist. America is the only super power left that didn't colaspe from within. Not only that America and her allies help more countries than any other. Sure its selective, why should America help those that wish her to fail. But you know what America helps those as well, just not to the same extint.

One minute the U.S. is getting criticized for trying to "police" the world (AKA help) the next minute we got assholes hijcking planes and swan diving them into buildings because we didn't help enough. Or because our aid is biased. What they don't understand is its ours we can give freely to whom ever we see fit.

Strongchic, do you have any kids? A dog or a cat. Do you have anything worth fighting for? Just for GP imagine running an entire country of hundreds of millions, and being the leader of the entire free world.

Its not fucking easy to say the least. Sure some will be disgruntled, but we can never condone this. Its like saying what happened in Columbine was justifiable retaliation.

Think!!!

If you cannot come to grips with the reality of our culture as American, the door is there for a reason.

 

[Citruscide]

Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

Many folks here say the Taliban deserve their whole country to be stamped out.

Do they? They deserve punishment, but do their citizens deserve death as well?

No, of course not. Their citizens do not deserve to die. That is one of the points of my post... I don't feel that innocent people "deserve" to die. Whether it be US citizens in the WTC or Afghan citizens in Kabul...

War is a terrible thing... its costs are high, and there is never a true winner. Bin Ladin's ass is grass... that's the bottom line. All those who support him or harbor him mine as well be him.

If the Afghan people are up in arms and defend the Taliban that protects and condones the terrorists activities, then the Afghan people will be subject to military agression... it is a sad thing, but must be done.

C

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

I assume you misspelt "Americans" when you meant to write "Past US Foreign Policy has supported the". So I will reply that many nations kill their own citizens. Rwanda. Uganda. China. Germany. Iraq. Romania. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan.




So why didn't we save Rwanda (since you mention it) during their genocide period? We want to spread democracy...freedom....why don't we spread it then, when there is no obvious benefit to us? We went to other countries...


No nation in history has ever had clean hands. But you also say that American actions are wrong, but "retaliation agains America" is suddenly ok? You did say "deserve" right, implying justice?


Read between the lines. Of course, I don't believe innocent people in those buildings deserved to die. Terrorism has been happening, but we didn't revise our foreign policy...we didn't make any changes...we didn't anticipate escalated retaliation...why didn't we? 9/11 is a wakeup call, obviously, but we aren't hearing the call the 'right' way...



I'm starting to think you deserve the flames you're getting, if you don't think before you write about such a raw subject. Choose your words carefully.


I deserve to be flamed for my opinion because I am tossing bombs out there...hmmm.


I REALLY would be upset if you think Bin Laden is some champion of human rights, when his true mission is to use his brainwashed cult to overthrow every Asian, Western and secular Islamic country in the world, remake them according to his warped desires, and kill people like you.



I in no way support bin Laden. Come on...really. It would be ridiculous to support his evil. We should wake up to why he has so many supporters.


Are you doing this controversy thing on purpose? Trolling for flames?
No, not really. People keep missing the point. It seems lately that people are hearing what I'm saying now.

Retaliation isn't always good. You all are saying that I am wrong for saying we deserve this...which may well be true, but in the same breath you are saying MORE innocents deserve to die for this man's deeds.

You are all contradicting yourselves...it is okay for us to retaliate, but not for anyone else. What makes us righter than right?

Sure, other countries would treat me poorly...so why aren't we in those countries spreading our truth, justice, and American way? Because they don't have anything we need or want.

That, my friend, is hypocrisy.

 

[rushx79]

Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

'deserve retaliation' is not the same as 'deserve to die'.

retaliation does not equal death.

well, in this case retaliation did equal death, dumbass. so when you say we deserved the wtc attack you are saying those people deserved to die.. and you say the u.s. is evil..

as for vietnam, i dont think we should have been there, but you fail to mention the MILLIONS killed by the communist govt in that part of the world after we left.

 

[strongchick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: people, get over yourselves...

well, in this case retaliation did equal death, dumbass. so when you say we deserved the wtc attack you are saying those people deserved to die.. and you say the u.s. is evil..



come to a higher plain, dear. Figurative speech? No one deserves to die. How on the one hand would I believe that innocent Afghans don't deserve to die, and say also that innocent Americans do deserve to die?

Literal idiocy on your part.


as for vietnam, i dont think we should have been there, but you fail to mention the MILLIONS killed by the communist govt in that part of the world after we left.

And what does the communist govt have to do with this thread?

 

[strongchick]

you better hope you don't say things like this in public or you would be considered a domestic enemy and they will lock you up. one more request, hush puppy!

um, isn't that why you believe we are over there bombing Taliban, along with innocents...to protect our freedom of speech?

C'mon, people. Do better than this.

 

[Lao Tzu]

nordstrom, i don't stop anyone from thinking, of voicing their views. i only react to them as i see them. her views are of the anti-american persuasion and i pointed that out. i want to hear your definition on foreign policy sense you liberals know it all anyway.

no you don't stop anyone from thinking or voicing their views. thought stopping has to do with information absorbtion. it is a tool used to stop people from having to absorb info that they don't want to hear. if you want to use it, go ahead. but cults indoctrinate their members to do that too, when presented with info they start to chant until the info loses it's hold on them.

like i said, do what you want. but it would be better if you knew you were using a psychology tactic to prevent yourself from having to examine info that may make your views unamerican.

i'm not really a liberal, btw.



my definition on foreign policy
by nordstrom

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/TWTwebsite_INDEX.html

that place is far left wing, but they give info that the media usually doesn't publish.


anyway, here are some myths held by conservatives that paint america in a better light than it is.

1. america is concerned with helping foreign people & providing them with freedom

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Foreign_Policy/US_ForeignPolicy.html

2. america is heavily concerned with giving humitarian aid to foreign countries.

http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/avi/3.html

in the end, if you aren't willing to accept an idea that would paint your country (or religion. or idealogy. or anything) in a negative light, and you have psychological tactics at your disposal that prevent you from having to address said information, and you didn't choose to live that way voluntarily, then you are probably under the influence of propaganda.

 

[strongchick]

"Why of course the people don't want war.Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

(from one of the links nordstrom posted).

damn. That last sentence hits home.

 

[rushx79]

come to a higher plain, dear. Figurative speech? No one deserves to die. How on the one hand would I believe that innocent Afghans don't deserve to die, and say also that innocent Americans do deserve to die?

Literal idiocy on your part.


And what does the communist govt have to do with this thread?

quoted by strongchick.

oh, i understand, i should hire an interpretor to decipher what youre trying to say... you typed it dumbass, so dont try to back track when you realized what you said was wrong or it wasnt the way you meant to say it..

vietnam had nothing to do with this thread, until YOU brought it up. i was merely responding to your comment about how we killed thousands of innocents when we were in vietnam.

idiocy on your part

 

[dballer]

Stronchick. I have thought long and hard about your 9/11 comment. I am not being mean right now.. I want to understand how in the world someone could say such a thing. You did say we got what we deserved... we got 6000 of our people.. left and right wing... black and white... asian and hispanic... is was US who died. Making a comment like that is sooo out of this world.. I do not think coming at you with anger is just. I am very concerned that maybe more people think like this. To me it is a scary thought. I am sorry that you hate this country enough to say somthing like that. It sounds to me that you and I would never get along... but those people who died in that attack were an outside party... Were you sooo upset that you just said that? Alot of the time I say things that I do not really mean... but nothing like that.
If you choose to come back at me with a hate filled post.. I will understand.. but please listen... that comment has evoked true concern... how could one American feel that way?

 

[rushx79]

no you don't stop anyone from thinking or voicing their views. thought stopping has to do with information absorbtion. it is a tool used to stop people from having to absorb info that they don't want to hear. if you want to use it, go ahead. but cults indoctrinate their members to do that too, when presented with info they start to chant until the info loses it's hold on them.

like i said, do what you want. but it would be better if you knew you were using a psychology tactic to prevent yourself from having to examine info that may make your views unamerican.

i'm not really a liberal, btw.



my definition on foreign policy
by nordstrom

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/TWTwebsite_INDEX.html

that place is far left wing, but they give info that the media usually doesn't publish.


anyway, here are some myths held by conservatives that paint america in a better light than it is.

1. america is concerned with helping foreign people & providing them with freedom

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Foreign_Policy/US_ForeignPolicy.html

2. america is heavily concerned with giving humitarian aid to foreign countries.

http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/avi/3.html

in the end, if you aren't willing to accept an idea that would paint your country (or religion. or idealogy. or anything) in a negative light, and you have psychological tactics at your disposal that prevent you from having to address said information, and you didn't choose to live that way voluntarily, then you are probably under the influence of propaganda.

OR he could have absorbed the information, decided it was flawed, illogical, and biased.but no, since his view differs from yours he is obviously using a self defense mechanism.. tsk tsk tsk.

 

[strongchick]

so dont try to back track when you realized what you said was wrong or it wasnt the way you meant to say it..

not backtracking in the least.



vietnam had nothing to do with this thread, until YOU brought it up. i was merely responding to your comment about how we killed thousands of innocents when we were in vietnam.

idiocy on your part

VietNam. I brought it up because of similarities to the current situation: We went over there to fight the supposed 'enemy', and got beat, and still killed women and children.

I don't wish to see history repeated.

 

[Island Son]

So why didn't we save Rwanda (since you mention it) during their genocide period?

Ah, so Bin Laden is taking a stand for their rights?

so why aren't we in those countries spreading our truth, justice, and American way?

True change must always come from within. Are you advocating force now?

we didn't anticipate escalated retaliation...why didn't we?

My my my you ARE in a shell, aren't you? An attack has been anticipated for a long time. Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Israel, Saudis, Mexico, Russians everyone gets attacked. Geographic isolation and a vigilant CIA & FBI have done great work in the past. Yet the implication (you haven't said it, but it does seem you think) the US is the worst of the lot.

I deserve to be flamed for my opinion because I am tossing bombs out there...hmmm.

You seem to be oh so aware of the "reasons for retaliation" (my quotes) yet somehow so ignorant of some board members' ways of thinking. They opine in flames, so expect it. I don't agree with the namecalling though.

You keep using the word retaliation THAT WAS NOT RETALIATION

 

[Lao Tzu]

those are old school, but effective tactics to make a nation want to go to war.

another is to claim the country X (them) engages in acts that country Y (us) would find reprehensible. the communists claimed it was child labor & exploitation, capitalists claimed human rights violations. most wars use one tactic or the other, either claim self defense and/or claim the other countr(ies) commit acts that the inhabitants of country Y would consider unforgiveable.

for example, this is propaganda the nazi's used in 1939 after the outbreak of the war. if you look, you see that the 2 ideas listed above (self defense from a reprehensible enemy)

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/wehr02.htm

what are our motivations for this war? self defense & humitariansim (naturally), just like the cold war, just like ww2, just like ww1, just like the mexican/american war, just like the civil war, just like the american revolution.

http://www.zpub.com/un/chomsky.html

its hard to tell where truth ends & propaganda begins. this war really is fought largely/mainly in self defense (if it weren't we wouldn't have declared war a few days after the attack).

http://carmen.artsci.washington.edu/propaganda/contents.htm

"Why of course the people don't want war.Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

(from one of the links nordstrom posted).

damn. That last sentence hits home.

 

[Lao Tzu]

OR he could have absorbed the information, decided it was flawed, illogical, and biased.

tee hee. ooorrrrrrr, he could just say 'if you don't like america, leave' everytime an idea that paints america in a bad light is brought up, preventing the info from having any effect on his opinions. i don't know what he does personally, but that tactic gets used all the time by alot of people.

but no, since his view differs from yours he is obviously using a self defense mechanism.. tsk tsk tsk.

nice try. i forget the official/latin name for that tactic. but i recognize it.

strongchick, i have one request for you since you have shown yourself to be an anti-american communits: SHUT UP OR GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your attitude towards what happend makes me sick. you are not a red-blooded american but a cold booded commie and i think you should go tell bin laden what a wonderful person you think he is seeing he is a person of color. i'm going to puke now...........

=

ad hominen argument with a touch of thought stopping. it shuts down the validity of the argument and gives a valid attack for when strongchick chooses to say something else.

 

[strongchick]

Stronchick. I have thought long and hard about your 9/11 comment. I am not being mean right now.. I want to understand how in the world someone could say such a thing. You did say we got what we deserved... we got 6000 of our people.. left and right wing... black and white... asian and hispanic... is was US who died. Making a comment like that is sooo out of this world.. I do not think coming at you with anger is just. I am very concerned that maybe more people think like this. To me it is a scary thought. I am sorry that you hate this country enough to say somthing like that. It sounds to me that you and I would never get along... but those people who died in that attack were an outside party... Were you sooo upset that you just said that? Alot of the time I say things that I do not really mean... but nothing like that.
If you choose to come back at me with a hate filled post.. I will understand.. but please listen... that comment has evoked true concern... how could one American feel that way?

Believe it or not, I've been thinking long and hard too, especially on reading the many posts here. Before knowing what anyone else thought, my first reaction is how can we want to kill people who had nothing to do with the act in the first place? So many must die, and for what?

If it is for democracy and freedom, let it be FOR REAL, not for oil, or whatever. Save those people for a higher ideal, don't kill them just to relieve blind rage.

I keep thinking of those pictures from years ago, in Time and Life magazine...little kids running, burning. their skin falling off in shreds because of nuclear bombs and chemical weapons. I cry as I write this...

I can't bear the thought of it any more. We are so advanced. why are we not using our political weight instead of weaponry?

I just don't understand. Sanctions and mass deaths from starvation are not working...why would bombs?

So I go to the next thought...perhaps we need something they have so badly that it is worth human lives. But what could be worth human lives? To me, the only things worth sacrificing human lives for are higher ideals, like human rights, equality, freedom, etc.

This is how I know that I am nobody. What I think is important, what I have valued all my life, looks to be running down the toilet.

That we are A FREE, DEMOCRATIC, HONORABLE SOCIETY...is this no longer true? Can it be that we have been visiting other countries and raping them all the while I thought we were justified?

I am outraged. I am angry. I am sad. I am hurt. All that I believed is shit.

I want to believe in Bush...but I distrust him. That more Americans will die because our oil barons won't allow the US to migrate to alternative forms of energy is a disgrace....if that is what is going on.

We don't know though, do we? So I'm left here to piss and moan about it on a forum.

Thanks for listening.

 

[dballer]

Regarless of the thought you hold on self worth.. that is another subject... but if we cannot see enough good in the country we live in to look past the terrorisim and think "those people paid taxes.. they voted... they have kids" We have an Army of men to fight and die... but the second we lost 6000 of OUR.. that means you amd me... like it or not.... OUR people, my civil thought toward the people who support the Taliban left me. I am left with rage and hungry for revenge.

My next point.... as horrible as it seems.. Bush as evoked a spirit of pride in this country like we have not seen since the second world war. I am not trying to change the way you think... I just want you to think about what you said. Because it is one thing for all of us to argue on this chat board... but it is another thing to sit up at night and wonder if you really condone 6000 people dead. Alot of people here think you do. If you do... I am truly sorry... because I love my country... I love my parents... I love what my forefathers have done. Not every bit of it.. but we have erased plauge and diease... he can do heart transplants. Only in this country.... We are truly the best country. I think when you walk out of your house tommorow... look around... look at another peron with their family... and imagine one missing. I think that even you do not have it in you to say they had it coming.

 

[MrOlympia2004]

Strongchick, as Y2J would say, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

 

[Citruscide]

If you are going to give me bad karma for my remarks... have the fucking balls to sign your name.

C

 

[strongchick]

Because it is one thing for all of us to argue on this chat board... but it is another thing to sit up at night and wonder if you really condone 6000 people dead. Alot of people here think you do. If you do... I am truly sorry... because I love my country... I love my parents... I love what my forefathers have done. Not every bit of it.. but we have erased plauge and diease... he can do heart transplants. Only in this country.... We are truly the best country. I think when you walk out of your house tommorow... look around... look at another peron with their family... and imagine one missing. I think that even you do not have it in you to say they had it coming.

I never said that any one person had it coming. Those people that died...i've said over and over...shouldn't have died.

The tragedy was deserved from the perspective that we are probably responsible for many deaths ourselves...

...that we are better than the rest is questionable.

And it is ridiculous for people arguing here to keep saying that I mean something literally when to me it is obvious that I mean that we have not been very nice to other countries and our foreign policy sucks.

I realize this is a touchy subject, but really now...I'd have to be a psychopath to say on the one hand I'm worried about innocent women and children, and on the other that the people in WTC should've died.

I also should say that this war of revenge is not worthy of those people that died.

They should have died for a higher cause than revenge. They should represent a turning point in history for the US..instead, they represent a repeat of bad history.

 

[dballer]

I hope everyone reads that post you just made.

 

[spentagn]

I have never signed another's name to karma.

 

[p0ink]

umm...i thought you promised all of us you wouldnt be posting here for awhile? It would be nice if you were a person of your word.

 

[Warik]

umm...i thought you promised all of us you wouldnt be posting here for awhile? It would be nice if you were a person of your word.

Agreed. bad karma for lying!

-Warik

 

[Island Son]

I hear the pissing and moaning. So what's your solution SC?
Apply political / economic sanctions (which btw are clearly not working in Iraq)? Or maybe every time there's an attack, give the attacker's organization a few mil $? Notice I said "organization" not "country", because to the Afghans, the Taliban is an occupying force supported by extremist mercenaries.
All ears on your proposed solution.

 

[KAYNE]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU BITCH. I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT COLOR YOU ARE!!! LEAVE THIS BOARD. LEAVE YOUR STATE. LEAVE THIS NATION. GO LIVE YOUR LIFE IN AFGHANISTAN AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU LIKE THIS GREAT NATION AFTER YOU ARE BEATEN REPEATEDLY FOR SHOWING TOO MUCH SKIN.


FUCK YOU
KAYNE

 

[Austin316]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU BITCH. I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT COLOR YOU ARE!!! LEAVE THIS BOARD. LEAVE YOUR STATE. LEAVE THIS NATION. GO LIVE YOUR LIFE IN AFGHANISTAN AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU LIKE THIS GREAT NATION AFTER YOU ARE BEATEN REPEATEDLY FOR SHOWING TOO MUCH SKIN.


FUCK YOU
KAYNE

Very well said, IF YOU DON"T LIKE HOW AMERICA IS HANDLING THINGS, GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!

 

[Citruscide]

I hear the pissing and moaning. So what's your solution SC?
Apply political / economic sanctions (which btw are clearly not working in Iraq)? Or maybe every time there's an attack, give the attacker's organization a few mil $? Notice I said "organization" not "country", because to the Afghans, the Taliban is an occupying force supported by extremist mercenaries.
All ears on your proposed solution.

EXCELLANT POINT!!! It is all too often that people complain about current situations, but never come up with a solution... this is the way of Critical Thinkers.... they are great at spotting the problem, putting holes in your solutions... but cannot come up with a better solution than 'this sucks'

YOU GET MONSTER KARMA!

C

 

[mrbill]

May I throw up now....your posts honestly make me sick. I can't believe that people like me fight and DIE for people like you.....

Buck that is the ultimate fucking irony that people such as yourself risk their lives defending idiots who attack those principals and individuals that ensure their "right" to spew forth complete bullshit. btw stay safe and kick ass!!

 

[Warik]

Who gave me bad karma and asked to see me naked?

=)

-Warik

 

[HappyScrappy]

Who gave me bad karma and asked to see me naked?

=)

-Warik

wasn't me - now put your god damn clothes back on

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

May I go out on very thin ice here and shoot a comment that strongchick was able to defend her views eloquently without name-calling or aggressiveness against a horde of attackers, 90% of who completely missed the mark or couldn't even interprest plain english.

I hope I don't get banned for this...(damn I might as well put that in my sig).

I urge you all to reread this entire thread once you're emotions have calmed down to see what I am talking about.

Oh, and if this was a real life discussion, simply shouting 'shut up you stupid bitch' as a counter-argument would make you look real stupid real fast.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I hear the pissing and moaning. So what's your solution SC?

How about thermal nuclear War!

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Quit your bitching nikolai_bolkov your just mad that the Iron Sheik Kicked your ass for the WWF championship twenty years ago!

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Damn that Iron Sheik.

 

[Warik]

wasn't me - now put your god damn clothes back on

I knew it was you... you're just telling me to put my clothes back on because you know I don't listen to puny humans.

Off come the pants!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Warik