PCT critique/help for 1st sust cycle

[wordomr]

Hey all,

I am in the planning stages for my first cycle (no i havent started yet, I am getting everything in order so I dont have to worry about something later), I am going to run sust. anywhere between 250-500mg (havent decided on amount, leaning towards 500mg breaking it down into 2 shots per week).

My question is about pct, i've searched the forum/internet and have found a whole hell of alot of different opinions and combinations, not sure what to go on. Here is what i have found thsu far

Option 1)
Clomid 100mg wk1, 50mg wk2, 50mg wk3
Nolva 40mg wk1, 30mg wk2, 20mg wk3

Option 2) Reccommended to me in another post
Anti-e AIFM, aromasin
clomid or nolva


What do you think? Other options?
BTW This site is the best!
Thanks

Stats:
Age: 26
Height: 6'3"
Wt: 230
Lifting history: Off and on for 4-5 years (during college, just depended on classes and schedule) btu now on a consistant schedule
Goal: Gain lean muscle while trying to bring down bodyfat %, and as far as cycle goes something that will work but also will be a good simple 1 cycle
Diet: Typical diet - eat smaller more frequent meals, lots of protein, low carbs, ect.
BF%-not exactly sure, probably around 15%

 

[lawnsaver]

This is how I would run it.

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Sus per week (250mg M and Th)
Week 1 to 15: 3 to 4 pumps of AIFM ED
Week 12 to 15: Clomid Therapy (300mg day 1, 100mg ED next 10, 50mg ED final 10)
I would pick up some HCG and take 300ius every 4th day throughout. This will prevent any atrophy to your testicles and will allow for a faster recovery

Good Luck!!

 

[wordomr]

Anyone else?

 

[acneman]

Anyone else?

any other advice you get will likely be variations on the theme lawnsaver has posted
some will say aromasin over aifm
some will say nolva over clomid
some will say hcg once or twice during cycle and then in pct

current pct theory points toward
1 hcg to stimulate testicles
2 anti aromatase to reduce conversion to estrogen during pct(and a must when using a test cycle)
3 anti estrogen, the foundation, nolva when not using progestin roids and clomid when using progestin

using these things during pct is your best shot at keepable gains
put them together 1000 different ways but thats the basic stuff
you will have to decide whats best for you
example running a lot of orals? use clomid if you can its less stressful on the liver. no progestins and few or no orals use nolva. get emotional sides from clomid? use nolva. you see what i mean?

This is how I would run it.

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Sus per week (250mg M and Th)
Week 1 to 15: 3 to 4 pumps of AIFM ED
Week 12 to 15: Clomid Therapy (300mg day 1, 100mg ED next 10, 50mg ED final 10)
I would pick up some HCG and take 300ius every 4th day throughout. This will prevent any atrophy to your testicles and will allow for a faster recovery

Good Luck!!

^^^^that looks pretty damn good to me

 

[ElMatador]

HCG for PCT...

 

[acneman]

HCG for PCT...

by itself??

 

[boz44]

I am into the 4th week of Sustanon 250 shots twice week. I asked this same question and got lots of replies. Click on my name to see the threads I have posted on and you will see some great info given to me. Macro suggested not front loading the clomid, so that is what I am going to do. 50mg for 3 weeks instead of starting off with 100mg. I don't know why, but he knows his shit, so I am going with that. Then I bought HCG to use in pct also. Not using it during cycle though. Using Arimidex and AIFM during cycle and continuing with the AIFM post cycle. Good luck, I have gained 20lbs in 4 weeks and the Sust is just now kicking into high gear. (I took Dbol for the first 3 weeks so my weight is water weight at this point, still a lot of fun!)

 

[acneman]

I am into the 4th week of Sustanon 250 shots twice week. I asked this same question and got lots of replies. Click on my name to see the threads I have posted on and you will see some great info given to me. Macro suggested not front loading the clomid, so that is what I am going to do. 50mg for 3 weeks instead of starting off with 100mg. I don't know why, but he knows his shit, so I am going with that. Then I bought HCG to use in pct also. Not using it during cycle though. Using Arimidex and AIFM during cycle and continuing with the AIFM post cycle. Good luck, I have gained 30lbs in 4 weeks and the Sust is just now kicking into high gear. (I took Dbol for the first 3 weeks so my weight is water weight at this point, still a lot of fun!)

going with macros advice is always a good bet
the reason is that the benifit of front loading clomid is in doubt but the increase of clomid side effects with frontloading is often noticable
also the frontloading clomid pct was designed for clomid only pct which was popular a while back
it works but not as well as the three step approach

using hcg during the cycle is not necesary but i believe it is of benifit
why wait to the last minute to rejuivinat your testicles when you can keep them fairly active throughout. i belive recovery is easier this way

ElMatador your post is cryptic
if your recomending hcg only for pct you are way off because hcg by itself can supress HPTA
if your saying include it with pct of other compounds you are correct but be more specific

 

[boz44]

going with macros advice is always a good bet
the reason is that the benifit of front loading clomid is in doubt but the increase of clomid side effects with frontloading is often noticable
also the frontloading clomid pct was designed for clomid only pct which was popular a while back
it works but not as well as the three step approach

using hcg during the cycle is not necesary but i believe it is of benifit
why wait to the last minute to rejuivinat your testicles when you can keep them fairly active throughout. i belive recovery is easier this way

ElMatador your post is cryptic
if your recomending hcg only for pct you are way off because hcg by itself can supress HPTA
if your saying include it with pct of other compounds you are correct but be more specific

I have only gained 20 lbs in 4 weeks, I listed it wrong. Sorry. Hey acneman, I have some hcg on hand. They are just little tablets with chinese writing on it. After I figure out how the hell to mix them correctly, when and how much would you suggest using them? Thanks.

 

[acneman]

I have only gained 20 lbs in 4 weeks, I listed it wrong. Sorry. Hey acneman, I have some hcg on hand. They are just little tablets with chinese writing on it. After I figure out how the hell to mix them correctly, when and how much would you suggest using them? Thanks.

my knowledge of hcg dosing is incomplete at best.
and i have never heard of the hcg you describe.
my first step would be to confirm the hcg i have as legit.
all hcg ive encountered or heard of came as powder in a vial and i would be suspicious of the pills. perhaps someone can chime in on that point please.
my dosages have always been high compared to lawnsavers post
1500 ius and 2500 ius used like once a month during a cycle and 2/3 times a week at beginning of pct
dosages of hcg seem to be good at this level for me but remember i was taking an anti estrogen during those dosages.
since your cycle seems very similar to the one lawnsaver was discussing i would have to bow to the greater experiance and say follow his plan as the best advice given in this thread unless someone of equal knowledge chimes in here.

 

[humble]

my knowledge of hcg dosing is incomplete at best.
and i have never heard of the hcg you describe.
my first step would be to confirm the hcg i have as legit.
all hcg ive encountered or heard of came as powder in a vial and i would be suspicious of the pills. perhaps someone can chime in on that point please.
my dosages have always been high compared to lawnsavers post
1500 ius and 2500 ius used like once a month during a cycle and 2/3 times a week at beginning of pct
dosages of hcg seem to be good at this level for me but remember i was taking an anti estrogen during those dosages.
since your cycle seems very similar to the one lawnsaver was discussing i would have to bow to the greater experiance and say follow his plan as the best advice given in this thread unless someone of equal knowledge chimes in here.

Karma for you bro, solid posts.