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paxil(SSRI) and gear?
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Stainless_Steel
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I've taken Effexor in the past which is also an SSRI I believe. I didn't have any problems with it. I actually went today and got put back on it and got some xanax to take when I feel like I need it. You should be just fine.
BigCracker
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Personally I'm against using drugs like Paxil/Prozac along w/ gear. These 2 drugs are way over prescribed by greedy Drs and using gear w/ them will only make you become more emotionally detatched to who you really are. I know so many people that were better off w/o Rx anti depressants. Now they're dependent on them and they become depressed/suicidal when they stop them. I think using the drugs advertised regularly on the 6 o' clock news is a crapshoot w/ your mental health. Everybody wants a happy pill these days. How did our species survive before these drugs ever came out? Just because you get some greedy Dr prescribes you something doesn't mean that you'll be better off with it than without it. Adding AAS to the mix and fucking w/ your hormone levels just makes the odds more against you. Oh well, I'm no Dr-but I refuse to believe that Rx drugs like Paxil help more than they hurt just cuz they're as socially acceptable as booze and cigarettes-and we all know booze and cigarettes are deadly for some. Not a flame post-just food for provoking thought.
Maetenloch
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BigCracker said:
I have to disagree with you about this. So far I haven't heard of any bad effects from taking SSRI-type anti-depressants and AAS. In fact it may help even out some of the emotional effects that gear can cause. It's probably a bad idea to start both at the same time - it's better to start with one and get used to its effects and the add the other. Also never stop taking paxil abruptly - this can cause a rebound effect - always taper off over a couple of weeks.
It's important to remember that depression is a potentially fatal disease. Not treating it has risks too including death. Before the introduction of ECT and anti-depressant drugs, people with depression simply suffered or committed suicide. We forget how good we've got it today. Less than a hundred years ago a woman had about a 1 in 10 chance of dying in childbirth during her lifetime and every cut or scrape could be fatal since there were no antibiotics.
I been on paroxatine hydrochloride ,seroxat,paxil whatever you want to call it since I was 18(24 now) and its changed my life I was a paraniod, depperssed wreak, boderline on taking my own life!I didnt relise how fucked up I was untill I got well though treatment, I can now have a coversation about any topic in public and not feel ashamed or if I get sick I dont think I going to die and have a pannic attack, I wish I could come off them but Im hooked ,the only real side effect is a supressed sex drive but a bit of test sorts that outBigCracker said:
some people do need such drugs but I agree that they are give out far to often with outthe patent been seen by a therapist, shrink and had some blood tests to determine if the persone needs medication or if it life stye problems
BigCracker
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I just can't help but wonder if your opinion is yours, or a opinion induced by the drugs you are taking? I'm critical of the diagnosis of depression in the same way people say obesity is something they have little control over. Any drug that robs you of your free will seems to be a cure that may be far worse than the disease itself. The way you guys defend their use sounds just like an addict justifying their addiction. I don't trust Drs. It's in their best interest to keep you dependent on drugs and their care. If they cure you, they lose $$$. Kind of a conflict of interest me thinks. Nothing personal. I'd rather be depressed and still be me, than content and dependent on an Rx med that makes me someone else.Maetenloch said:
96crownvic
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Littlecracker,
It sounds like you're buying into the junk that scientologists spew out. If you've never been depressed to the point where you need medication that is great, but don't judge those of us who have had good luck with medication.
It sounds like you're buying into the junk that scientologists spew out. If you've never been depressed to the point where you need medication that is great, but don't judge those of us who have had good luck with medication.
Maetenloch
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BigCracker said:
Huh? Couldn't I can have this opinion without being on drugs? Doesn't follow.
BigCracker said:
You're assuming that people do have control over whether they get clinically depressed, which is not true. Note that clinical depression is different from just feeling sad. It's a chemical deficiency/imbalance just like diabetes or being bipolar. But no one ever expects a diabetic or manic dpressive to 'will' themselves out of needing insulin or lithium to function.
BigCracker said:
You seem mis-informed about the effects of anti-depressants. Generally they just elevate your mood and reduce anxiety - none of them rob you of your free will.
BigCracker said:
Medicine is a ultimately a competitive customer service field. If one doctor is stringing patients along on a treatment and another is offering a cure, eventually patients are going to migrate to the second doctor. Note that anyone in the repair business has the same 'conflict of interest' you accuse doctors of, yet no one is claiming there's a vast silent conspiracy among auto mechanics, plumbers, and computer techs.
BigCracker said:
No anti-depressant makes you someone else. For people that are depressed, it makes them like how they were before they became depressed. That's called an effective treatment.
Trojan Horse
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Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors do wonders for people that have issues with depression. Yes, some people may think that they change a persons persona and I would have to agree that it does. However; It doesn't change their ability to think freely for themselves. It increases the Serotonin in the brain which results in what could be described as a pleasant feeling. What has been of debate in the medical field recently is that children taking these meds may be more prone to suicide. This was stemming from class action lawsuits after a group of children from various parts of the U.S. fell vicitm to suicide. It was then learned that they were on a particular S.S.R.I. Lawyers got a hold of this and made millions representing these families. It didn't "prove" that these drugs caused the suicides; what it proved was that these children had preexisting problems with depression and that they were on these meds. For whatever reason, they subsequently offed themselves. Did they do it because they were on these meds? Did they take these meds as they were supposed to? Were they abusing these meds? Did they refuse to take them? Were they going to kill themselves even if they were never prescribed these meds? Who knows? It was just enough for a jury in civil court to award these families damages etc... The pharmaceutical companies now put warning labels on these presription drugs when they are prescribed for young adults in order to cover their asses. This can be attributed to the monitoring of the S.S.R.I. by making sure that the doses are carefully monitored along with the patients depression. Just like other drugs, they have to be used with caution. You can't just take and then disregard it. There may be a "crash" resulting in a higher state of depression. Persons wishing to discontinue usage of these drugs need to be carefully weened off. Yes, the pharmaceutical industry markets and makes billions off of people all the time. You can say that they have no interest in actually curing people by systematically prescribing drugs but it's ultimatly up to the patient to carefully consider if they should or can do without their assistance. Nobody said that these drugs are like cough drops; hence they should be treated with caution. Some may work for some whereas some may not. That's why they need to be "carefully" monitored.
BigCracker
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OK fine. You guys defend your Rx drug use all you want, but I'd still rather commit suicide than be pussified to the point of needing an "effective treatment" to feel normal. If it wasn't for stress and fear of depression, I'd probably be locked up in prison and doped up on Anti-d's instead of a a guy that feared a life of misery and poverty so much he is now a self employed homeowner that regularly pimps hos 1/2 his age. If someone gave me a drug to feel better 15-20 yrs ago when I was broke, I may be some frumpy guy sitting in my underwear in front of the tv watching Spongebob with this stupid drug induced smile on my face.
I also have to wonder why so many youger guys under age 25 need anti-d's? Just how tough could your life have been in such a short time? I grew up in poverty where physical and mental abuse was daily ritual. I even had ulcers at age 13 from my piss poor parents and their neurosis and constant fighting. I was constantly breaking out in hives and on the verge of a nervous breakdown. My parents wouldn't accept responsibility for my condition-they were above reproach and pillars of our community. So the Dr decided to put me on Atarax-a drug similar to todays Adderall-which turned me into a lego building, tv watching junkie/zombie that never wanted to leave the house. Now I was no longer a concern of my parents and they could get back to what they do best-hating each other. One day I was so doped up I was no longer able to function normally in gym class. I had lost my reaction speed and felt as if I was losing what little athleticism I had. That night I stopped the Atarax w/o telling my parents. I pretended to be on it another 6 months, stock piling the pills in my mattress instead of taking them. Within a week of stopping I started feeling different, but better. The longer I was off the Atarax the more I started feeling "feelings" again. It was then I decided that I was not going to be some shrink's pill eating patient. About 6 months after being off Atarax, my mother started flipping me shit for missing a dose or two. I told her I had been off them for 6 months. She didn't believe me until I poured 6 months worth of pills out on the counter. Thank God they never made me go to the shrink again.
Maybe now you can see why I'm so critical of physicians? Most of my opinions on these drugs come from acquaintances of mine that just rave about the miracles of their use. However a few have said that they also have a difficult time distinguishing what should or shouldn't upset them when presented with a new potential personal crisis or concern. This is what I'm talking about in regards to free will. If someone pisses in my cheerios, and I have to take time to think of whether it was an asshole-gesture or not, I don't think my brain is banging on all 8 cylinders.
I also have to wonder why so many youger guys under age 25 need anti-d's? Just how tough could your life have been in such a short time? I grew up in poverty where physical and mental abuse was daily ritual. I even had ulcers at age 13 from my piss poor parents and their neurosis and constant fighting. I was constantly breaking out in hives and on the verge of a nervous breakdown. My parents wouldn't accept responsibility for my condition-they were above reproach and pillars of our community. So the Dr decided to put me on Atarax-a drug similar to todays Adderall-which turned me into a lego building, tv watching junkie/zombie that never wanted to leave the house. Now I was no longer a concern of my parents and they could get back to what they do best-hating each other. One day I was so doped up I was no longer able to function normally in gym class. I had lost my reaction speed and felt as if I was losing what little athleticism I had. That night I stopped the Atarax w/o telling my parents. I pretended to be on it another 6 months, stock piling the pills in my mattress instead of taking them. Within a week of stopping I started feeling different, but better. The longer I was off the Atarax the more I started feeling "feelings" again. It was then I decided that I was not going to be some shrink's pill eating patient. About 6 months after being off Atarax, my mother started flipping me shit for missing a dose or two. I told her I had been off them for 6 months. She didn't believe me until I poured 6 months worth of pills out on the counter. Thank God they never made me go to the shrink again.
Maybe now you can see why I'm so critical of physicians? Most of my opinions on these drugs come from acquaintances of mine that just rave about the miracles of their use. However a few have said that they also have a difficult time distinguishing what should or shouldn't upset them when presented with a new potential personal crisis or concern. This is what I'm talking about in regards to free will. If someone pisses in my cheerios, and I have to take time to think of whether it was an asshole-gesture or not, I don't think my brain is banging on all 8 cylinders.
BigCracker
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96crownvic said:
If I drove a 96 crown vic and looked like the HIV Posterchild like you do I'd be very depressed.
at leat youre not just preaching and youve been there but...BigCracker said:
like the saying gose differnt strokes for differant folks
but I wouldnt wish my life before getting help on any one when you cant even escape youre fears when you sleep day after day not one minutes rest youre head is pulling you apart and the only way out seem to end it all you need help as for free will I had no free will before taking the drugs My life was ruled my fear ,deppression and pannic
Im sorry this had to turn into a hatethread....
i see where everyone is coming from and understand both point of veiws. I have to disagree with the comment on anti-d's under the age of 25 though. The time between graduating high school and finishing college can be the best and at the same time, the most depressing time of your life. I would say under the age of 18 its nonsense to prescribe ssri's.
i see where everyone is coming from and understand both point of veiws. I have to disagree with the comment on anti-d's under the age of 25 though. The time between graduating high school and finishing college can be the best and at the same time, the most depressing time of your life. I would say under the age of 18 its nonsense to prescribe ssri's.
BigCracker
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Bozwell said:
Like I said before, I'm sure many have legit uses for these drugs. I just say proceed with caution and in a best case scenario have a Dr that is a close personal friend when you seek treatment. If a Dr doesn't have a personal vested interest in your well being, you won't ever really know if he's prescribing you drugs that you don't need or not. He should also be made aware of your choice to use AAS. I'd guess most guys on anti-d's hide their AAS use from their Dr in fear that they won't approve.
trying2grow101
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I took paxil with and without aas, it made me not able to cum so i had to stack wellbutrin with it but no other problems.
Big_Joe
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BigCracker said:
BigCracker I think you are confussing two aspects of modern medicine. One is the practitioner, the MD, and the other is the industry, the drug company. Having been really sick and having to deal with this I have some idea of what's going on. Most doctors really care about their patients and want to do what's best for them. But the information they get on what's best comes from the drug companies. I personally don't see a lot of difference form Philip Morris and Schering Plough. They both want to sell as much of their product as they can. But I don't see to many doctors telling their patients to start smoking. In todays world it is vital for a persons health for them to learn how and to do their own research on pubmed. This get the patient involved with their own treatment and then it's not something that is being done to you but something you are participating in doing to yourself. This makes a big difference believe me.
But for the most part I think you are right BigCracker except it's not the doctors that are greedy it's the drug companies.
BigCracker
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Big_Joe said:
Agreed, the Rx companies are the catalyst-but the kickbacks Dr's receive from them for promoting their products could truly contribute to the problem of overprescribed meds with less ethical Drs.
I'd like to think most Dr's were on the straight and narrow path, and primarily devoted to serving mankind, but $$$ can truly influence their motives when they're trying to keep their practice competitive with other less scrupulous Drs.
