My friend has been on paperbol since last Monday at 4 squares/day along with 500mg test and 300mg deca and he has put on 9lbs so far. Obviously the test and deca haven't kicked in and probably 7.5lbs are water (he just started liquidex this monday-he waited to see if the paperbol would cause bloat-it did.) But I'd have to say that they are good to go. Sorry I can't vouch for any other paper products but I've heard that the var is a little underdosed but still legit. Good luck.