p0ink, Curious, (genuinely)

[Frackal]

Why are you supportive of the Iraqi war?

 

[Frackal]

Christ darktooth that is an exceedingly childish viewpoint

 

[Lao Tzu]

Whats your motivation for opposing the war Frackal?

 

[Frackal]

Going to bed now but multiple reasons I'll post tomorrow... I am not 100 percent opposed...about 80 percent... it's really so hard to know what the truth is in this whole situation...please check my walter chronkite thread for more

 

[Frackal]

So is Bush

 

[ariolanine]

So is Bush

Dude, this is where you lose credibility. You have made intelligent points in the past. I know you are smarter than this. The constant Bush bashing is tired just like the Clinton bashing was. Forget about Dubya for a second and tell us why you think Saddam should be allowed to remain in power. Please don't reply with "war insn't necessary, sanctions and inspections will eventually work."

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Dude, this is where you lose credibility. You have made intelligent points in the past. I know you are smarter than this. The constant Bush bashing is tired just like the Clinton bashing was. Forget about Dubya for a second and tell us why you think Saddam should be allowed to remain in power. Please don't reply with "war insn't necessary, sanctions and inspections will eventually work."

Clinton Sucks!!!

 

[bwood]

all politicians lie...

does that mean we cannot ever act???

 

[naturally anabolic]

everyone will have there varying opinion on the topic....

 

[dballer]

why do any of you believe 1 single thing they tell us about Saddam? We are not 100% sure of anything that is going on. We are taking the word from a source that makes billions of dollars per year to lie and cover up the truth.

 

[Dougly]

Dballer, do still have a thing for Jenna?

 

[BronzedGoddess]

why do any of you believe 1 single thing they tell us about Saddam? We are not 100% sure of anything that is going on. We are taking the word from a source that makes billions of dollars per year to lie and cover up the truth.

My feelings exactly

 

[naturally anabolic]

all i know is my gas is more then 2$ a gallon now....somethings gotta happen

 

[dballer]

Dballer, do still have a thing for Jenna?

yes.. but now I have a girlfriend.. so I gotta keep it under my hat.

By the way.. who are you... how do you know about my Jenna crush?

 

[Dougly]

yes.. but now I have a girlfriend.. so I gotta keep it under my hat.

By the way.. who are you... how do you know about my Jenna crush?

I used to read triedia. I figured you'd be first son-in-law by now.

 

[dballer]

I used to read triedia. I figured you'd be first son-in-law by now.

ahhhhh.. I made some killer posts on the subject over there.

I wish.. I would slap the hell out of the old man and help him make the right decision. Turn him back into a conservative... and stop being a total ass-kisser.

 

[Imnotdutch]

And the powers-that-be in the USa never lie do they??........and they dont have any WMD's right??

Ok, sorry, I will take out the 'snake' part.

He's now a liar with WMD.

 

[p0ink]

allow me to list the reasons for my support for going to war:

saddam husein has weapons of mass destruction, and history has shown he is not afraid to use them.

saddam hussein rewards the families of palestinian suicide bombers with cash for blowing up innocent israelis.

saddam hussein has already tried to assasinate a US president (Bush Sr.)

saddam hussein has ties in various ways to al qaeda and other terrorist groups. (training them and harboring them)

saddam hussein has never abided by the ceasfire agreement iraq signed to end the gulf war...so technically, the war was never over.

saddam hussein has already invaded one of the world's richest oil producing nations in an attempt to hold the free world hostage by controlling the oil coming out from that region.

saddam hussein incites and encourages violence against us under the guise of islam.

saddam hussein is offing his people in record numbers.

saddam hussein is violating the oil for food program, which in turn helps countries i despise (ie the french)

top level defectors have come clean about what saddam has and what he is currently developing, in terms of WMD.

iraq has lied to the world for years in regards to their weapons.

iraq is a danger to our allies.

we do not need an insane, murderous, anti-US dictator holding us hostage in terms of oil, which is the engine of our economy.

it is better to deal with iraq now, before he has nuclear weapons to hold his neighbors and our allies hostage. aka another north korea.

nations which do not intend to use nuclear weapons admit they are working on them, so they can have some political leverage, act as a deterrant to other countries, and try to get things they want....nations who work on them in secret have alterior motives. ie giving them to another country or terrorist group, so it has no 'return address'.

i believe once a democratic government is installed in the middle east, it will have a domino effect on the others (yes, i have read what some fucking analyst said about that, but i dont buy it...that's for another thread, though).

i believe it is the responsibility of the free countries of the world to get rid of those who threaten world peace.

it is the government's job to protect its citizens from threats, whether they be foreign or domestic.

i honestly believe this administration when they say iraq is a threat. (they know waaaaayyyyyy more than you and me).

i think this war with iraq might be the 'nail in the coffin' for the UN, by proving them irrelevant and useless, thus giving the US reason to pull out once and for all. (this would be my dream come true).

america is the lone super power, and it doesnt need permission from small, turd-world countries like guinea and the sudan, before it protects itself and its interests.

i am all for taking money out of the french economy. (fucking ingrates)

i am all for raising the unemployment rate even higher in germany. (fucking ingrates)

i am all for asserting our supremacy to the fucking europeans, that are pissed there is no longer a soviet union to balance out world 'power'.

i want the US to continue to be the world's lone super power.

having a pro-US government installed in iraq will help drive down the price of oil.

US contracts for rebuilding iraq will help our country's economy.

a succesful war will help turn our economy around.

i'm tired of 'peace' protestors allowing dictators to kill even more people than they already have, by helping in the delay of us taking action.

i would rather have a 'pre-emptive strike' than wait for more americans to die before we take action.

i want to further discredit the leftists by showing them and the american people how wrong they were about the iraqi situation, when we go into iraq and uncover the WMD, mass graves, connections to terrorists, horrible living conditions, etc. etc. etc.

i could keep on going, but im bored now.

 

[skaman607]

So is Bush

But bush never lied about having WMD which we, as the protector of the world (since Europe seems too feeble to do it) to have such weapons as a retalitory threat.

 

[rsnoble]

Bush sucks more VD

 

[skaman607]

Que?

 

[IhateOsama]

p0ink, Curious, (genuinely)
Why are you supportive of the Iraqi war?

DECCA FILLED BRAIN TRAITOR

Bush sucks more VD

TRANNY TRAITOR

 

[p0ink]

frack,

let's keep this dialog going. list your reasons for opposing the war.

 

[skaman607]

bump

 

[Frackal]

frack,

let's keep this dialog going. list your reasons for opposing the war.

I will bro - I started typing all this out last night and then another explorer window crashed and I lost it all, I'll get to it once I'm back from the gym and a few other things

 

[skaman607]

OK Massivegunz

 

[SupraHero]

Poink you took the words outta my mouth with your list of reasons we should be over there kicking his ass. If you don't support the war well tough shit its happening anyway and bush WILL GET RE-ELECTED so you have at least another term to deal with. The democratic opposition is horribly weak Bush will win easily.

 

[p0ink]

And the powers-that-be in the USa never lie do they??........and they dont have any WMD's right??

are you taking your 'marching orders' from greenpeace or something?

comparing the bush administration to saddam hussein is ridiculous, and you know it.

 

[p0ink]

 

[skaman607]

well frack, where are your reasons, or don't you have any?

 

[ariolanine]

well frack, where are your reasons, or don't you have any?

He's probably cutting and pasting furiously as we speek.

 

[p0ink]

He's probably cutting and pasting furiously as we speek.

nah, i doubt he needs to copy and paste anything. im sure he has his own reasons; i would just like to hear them, though.

 

[ariolanine]

nah, i doubt he needs to copy and paste anything. im sure he has his own reasons; i would just like to hear them, though.

Yeah, you're right. Where's he at doe?

 

[sk*]

Two things I usually stay out of are religion and politics.

Here's the breakdown though:

1. Dick and Bush have oil companies.
2. Dick and Bush want to benefit themselves by getting Saddam out and getting someone else in his place who will have no problems in giving the oil to them (Dick and Bush) for practically "free."
3. They will do this at any cost as they will win millions, I know if I was in their place I would do the same. This war is beneficial for them, but not the US as a country. Although to mention, it will probably benefit the economy in the long run as the oil prices will drop. If oil prices drop so will many other things such as price of transportation and anything else that has to do with transportation: This will mean pretty much everything as all goods need to be "transported" in one way or another.
4. France, Russia, etc. don't want this war because they have billion dollar contracts with these muslim nations and it will NOT benefit them and greatly affect their economy.
5. Anyone who thinks this war is about "terrorism" is a fool. The only terror doers are the two idiots that you guys have appointed as leaders.

Take it for what it's worth, just my two pennies.

-sk

 

[ariolanine]

This war is beneficial for them, but not the US as a country.

Incorrect. 2/3 of the US economy is tied to the oil industry in some way. If the oil companies do well, all companies will do well. This is a fact. If "big oil" does poorly then our entire economy does poorly. Big oil has alot of influence on politicians and people don't like that. Well guess fucking what?? Hollywood has as much influence on voters and hollywood doesn't do a fucking thing for this country except entertain us.

 

[circusgirl]

Dude, this is where you lose credibility. You have made intelligent points in the past. I know you are smarter than this. The constant Bush bashing is tired just like the Clinton bashing was. Forget about Dubya for a second and tell us why you think Saddam should be allowed to remain in power. Please don't reply with "war insn't necessary, sanctions and inspections will eventually work."

You pro-war people are missing the point.

Saddam is not a threat. Therefore, whether or not he remains in power is not a reason for war. The question is not "when will Saddam disarm?", it's "why is this guy considered a threat?".

I am against the war not because I think that diplomacy is going to make Saddam be all nice to the West, it's because I don't think it's IMPORTANT from the West's point of view what the fuck Saddam does as long as he stays within his borders. Which he would, as he knows an ass-kicking would come his way if he didn't, like the last time.

Going after Saddam is a waste of time, men and firepower.

The US is doing a pretty good job of apprehending the folks who are the real threat, the terrorist networks, with the CIA and co-operation from intelligence around the world. If you are really worried, get the CIA on the case of rich Saudis who donate money to terrorists. Make a few strategic kidnappings and bring these guys to US courts.

Re Saddam being an asshole and a tyrant, yup, part of me would like to go and kick the ass of every dictator out there, but there is neither feasible nor necessarily a good idea in the long term.

I don't think this war is going to achieve anything important. Complete waste of time.

Opposition to the war is not all about being a hippy living in never-never land who thinks war is never necessary. It's about seeing this particular war as being about a storm in a teacup.

You may disagree and think Saddam is a threat to the West. Fine. I don't. And therefore, I oppose the war.

 

[ariolanine]

You pro-war people are missing the point.

Saddam is not a threat. Therefore, whether or not he remains in power is not a reason for war. The question is not "when will Saddam disarm?", it's "why is this guy considered a threat?".

He wants the US to be destroyed. He is in 100% control of an oil rich nation. He has chemical and biological weapons. He only needs enriched uranium or plutonium to creat a nuclear weapon. What about that do you not understand?

I am against the war not because I think that diplomacy is going to make Saddam be all nice to the West, it's because I don't think it's IMPORTANT from the West's point of view what the fuck Saddam does as long as he stays within his borders. Which he would, as he knows an ass-kicking would come his way if he didn't, like the last time.

Sadamm would never attack the US or any other country on open ground. That has not been a consideration since 1991. That is not what terrorists do.

Going after Saddam is a waste of time, men and firepower.

The US is doing a pretty good job of apprehending the folks who are the real threat, the terrorist networks, with the CIA and co-operation from intelligence around the world. If you are really worried, get the CIA on the case of rich Saudis who donate money to terrorists. Make a few strategic kidnappings and bring these guys to US courts.

I couldn't agree more.

Re Saddam being an asshole and a tyrant, yup, part of me would like to go and kick the ass of every dictator out there, but there is neither feasible nor necessarily a good idea in the long term..

Ridding the world of tyranny is not a good idea? How is it not feasible? We aren't talking about the scottish military here. The US has enough power to control the entire planet. The loss of innocent foreigners and American soldiers is the only thing holding us back. Taking out a few rogue nations is easy.

I don't think this war is going to achieve anything important. Complete waste of time...

Sadamm will die. Iraqis will be free. Billions of dollars worth of crude oil will enter the global economy. It is a win win situation.

Opposition to the war is not all about being a hippy living in never-never land who thinks war is never necessary. It's about seeing this particular war as being about a storm in a teacup....

Incorrect. Very few people against the war are doing it for legitimate reasons. Most hate Dubya and the US. That is their only reason.

You may disagree and think Saddam is a threat to the West. Fine. I don't. And therefore, I oppose the war.

There is nothing to disagree on. This is not a matter of opinion. The facts have been presented to you.

 

[sk*]

Incorrect. 2/3 of the US economy is tied to the oil industry in some way. If the oil companies do well, all companies will do well. This is a fact. If "big oil" does poorly then our entire economy does poorly. Big oil has alot of influence on politicians and people don't like that. Well guess fucking what?? Hollywood has as much influence on voters and hollywood doesn't do a fucking thing for this country except entertain us.

Overall it is not beneficial to the US as a country because this war is about to turn nuclear. Don't worry about ole Bush there, I doubt anything will happen to him cause he is "in power" but the US as a country is in for a lot of shit.

-sk

 

[bigschweeler]

I can't wait to occupy Iraq and then use it as a base of operations for invading Iran, Syria, and assiting Isreal in ridding the world of those damn Palestinians.

Then once we've secured the middle-East we can use it as a symbol of American hegemony at it's finest while we occupy Japan and the Korean peninsula. Getting to China may prove difficult, but we can just drop the bomb and all will be well with the world.

Can't wait.

 

[ariolanine]

Overall it is not beneficial to the US as a country because this war is about to turn nuclear. Don't worry about ole Bush there, I doubt anything will happen to him cause he is "in power" but the US as a country is in for a lot of shit.

-sk

Can you elaborate please?

 

[Sinistar]

hes a threat to our allies in the region:

personally, i dont give a rats ass about jews or arabs. israel has WMD as well, which BTW it stole the plans from us, and snuck around and got the plutonium from somewhere in africa. id like to see another country do that and have us remain as allies. i say if theres a problem, let them settle it.

saddam didnt gas the ppl you are talking about. those ppl were killed with cyanide, which saddam dont have. prolly cause we didnt give it to him. thats Iran. yes, im sure he did gas ppl. but get your facts straight. im getting mine from a CIA agent who was charged to make sense of the whole thing after the first gulf war.

Bush Sr, wasnt president at the time of saddams attempted assination, he was back to his cushy govt weapons manufactures via Carlisle Corp. and, living in the midwest and seeing what reaganomics did to this area, i wouldnt have minded if bush got his ass shot. hes an elitest, and unless your worth a shitload of cash and donate to the right things, he dont give a fuck about you either.

'all you anti war ppl can say what you want, the wars gonna happen and you cant stop it' not an exact quote.

well gee, dont you feel big? perhaps youd want to make a face and some irratating noise as well. its shit like that that outs ppl as mental lightweights. heres a quote for you.

its better that ppl think your an idiot, than opening your mouth and confirming the fact.

for me personally, being 20 years old and my father not knocking back 6 figures a year, if bush goes nuts and starts more shit, i could be drafted. you love the war? fine. ill be DAMNED if ill go over there to get shot, killed, fucked up mentally, ect cause you are a powermad ignorant asshole and want cheap gas. you gonna love your cheap gas thats paid for my ppl like me? 20 fucking years old and if not dead, or maimed, there will be plenty that will never get over what they see and what they had to do. your cheap gas worth that? to you it prolly is. my dad, who is Veitnam age, knew quite a few ppl who died over there, more that had an injury or were half nuts for the rest of there life.

so after this war for your cheap gas, are you willing to support the ppl who gave everything they had so you can have a small utilities bill? or are you gonna do what everyone else has over the last few decades and throw them away after they do your bidding?

heres an idea, if you like this war so much, go join up. put some courage behind your convictions and bite the bullet.

 

[sk*]

Can you elaborate please?

The white house area will most likely be well protected, or wherever else he stays along with Chaney. BUT believe me that the rest of us wont be as safe if a nuclear war breaks loose.

-sk

 

[gmanlax7]

Bill Clinton was a smart dude and i don't think this would be so messy and drastic and definatly not as terrifying to the general public if he was in office

 

[ariolanine]

The white house area will most likely be well protected, or wherever else he stays along with Chaney. BUT believe me that the rest of us wont be as safe if a nuclear war breaks loose.

-sk

Who is going to nuke us?

 

[skaman607]

Overall it is not beneficial to the US as a country because this war is about to turn nuclear. Don't worry about ole Bush there, I doubt anything will happen to him cause he is "in power" but the US as a country is in for a lot of shit.

-sk

why would someone with that in his signature be worried about the well being of the country?

 

[sk*]

why would someone with that in his signature be worried about the well being of the country?

Umm, is this a trick question?

The US government (along with every other functioning government, infact the only one I can see working is total anarchy like Marx actually suggested) is skewed, but that doesn't mean I want my family and friends bombed. I may not love the government but that doesn't mean I don't have loved ones that are under this "rule."

I still can't believe you asked a question like that, did you even think? What does my signature have to do with anything ... if you look closely it wasn't even written by me but it very nicely sums up a lot about this country.

-sk

 

[sk*]

Who is going to nuke us?

Umm anyone. When they have an army in their hands they don't even need a nuke, they can attack the locations wherever the US gov't keeps the nukes.

-sk

 

[ariolanine]

Umm anyone. When they have an army in their hands they don't even need a nuke, they can attack the locations wherever the US gov't keeps the nukes.

-sk

Once again. Exactly who and exactly why?

 

[sk*]

Once again. Exactly who and exactly why?

Why did they hijack the planes and crush them? Same reason.

Any of the "terrorist" groups have motivation and "will" to do so.

-sk

 

[ariolanine]

The entire point of all this is to kill the terrorists before they get nukes. If they have them they would have already used them. If anyone nukes us it'll be china or n.korea.

 

[sk*]

The entire point of all this is to kill the terrorists before they get nukes. If they have them they would have already used them. If anyone nukes us it'll be china or n.korea.

If Bush and Chaney stop the war then they won't have any reason to nuke anyone.

-sk

 

[skaman607]

Umm, is this a trick question?

The US government (along with every other functioning government, infact the only one I can see working is total anarchy like Marx actually suggested) is skewed, but that doesn't mean I want my family and friends bombed. I may not love the government but that doesn't mean I don't have loved ones that are under this "rule."

I still can't believe you asked a question like that, did you even think? What does my signature have to do with anything ... if you look closely it wasn't even written by me but it very nicely sums up a lot about this country.

-sk

well, you chose to put it in your sig, and you do have freedom of speech, and even demonstration, you're lucky you have that

 

[sk*]

well, you chose to put it in your sig, and you do have freedom of speech, and even demonstration, you're lucky you have that

Not really, I want much more.

There are many other countries that are worse off, but so what?

-sk

 

[p0ink]

im getting mine from a CIA agent who was charged to make sense of the whole thing after the first gulf war.

and who would that be?

 

[Sinistar]

p0ink, the dood is in another post of mine called the idiot prince will have his war. if you dont want to read that, ill go and get the URL. but im almost sure its in there.

 

[Frackal]

My response - Not totally anti war...just pro "the right choice"

Originally posted by p0ink
allow me to list the reasons for my support for going to war:

saddam husein has weapons of mass destruction, and history has shown he is not afraid to use them.

****Maybe...depends on your definition of WMD ... nuclear is what Bush said they were most concerned about... Biological and chemical, perhaps so...likely...have seen disagreement on whether those constitute "WMD"

saddam hussein rewards the families of palestinian suicide bombers with cash for blowing up innocent israelis.

****True...but in a way he is funding a war against his enemy...just like we did when we funded him against Iran.

saddam hussein has already tried to assasinate a US president (Bush Sr.)

****Irrelevant in terms of reasons to go to war...my guess is that this was a personal vendetta, and it did not take place in the USA...certainly not a reason for American boys to die.

saddam hussein has ties in various ways to al qaeda and other terrorist groups. (training them and harboring them)

*****???? Where is proof ????? How many times were we embarassed at the UN by fake or plagiarized documents...I should think that if he was enough of an imminent threat for immediate, polarizing war, we'd have something better than fake documents, and the claim of a "drone" which was literally a lawnmower engine and duct tape.


saddam hussein has never abided by the ceasfire agreement iraq signed to end the gulf war...so technically, the war was never over.

****Who did he sign to? US or UN?

saddam hussein has already invaded one of the world's richest oil producing nations in an attempt to hold the free world hostage by controlling the oil coming out from that region.

****True. Best reason so far.

saddam hussein incites and encourages violence against us under the guise of islam.

****??? Where is that from? Where is proof???

saddam hussein is offing his people in record numbers.

****It's happening everywhere, Rummy was shaking his hand whilst he was killing thousands... I wonder how many civilians will die in the Shock and Awe.

saddam hussein is violating the oil for food program, which in turn helps countries i despise (ie the french)

****Not a reason to send americans boys to die.

top level defectors have come clean about what saddam has and what he is currently developing, in terms of WMD.

*****And they said ... what? And how many were caught BSing... why not give information about location to inspectors?? If they really had info, and inspectors found WMD, it would be perfect for Bush... the fact that this did not happen makes me even more skeptical.

iraq has lied to the world for years in regards to their weapons.

****Ok...?

iraq is a danger to our allies.

****Who besides Israel? Let Israel handle it...when is the last time they committed troops to help us?

we do not need an insane, murderous, anti-US dictator holding us hostage in terms of oil, which is the engine of our economy.

****Redundant but still good reason.


it is better to deal with iraq now, before he has nuclear weapons to hold his neighbors and our allies hostage. aka another north korea.

****Assuming that the sanctions werent working...

nations which do not intend to use nuclear weapons admit they are working on them, so they can have some political leverage, act as a deterrant to other countries, and try to get things they want....nations who work on them in secret have alterior motives. ie giving them to another country or terrorist group, so it has no 'return address'.

****Well I dont think his nuclear reactor was a secret when Israel blew it up...obviously if he wanted nukes now it would have to be in secret, not necessarily indicating that hed finally develop a nuke just to hand it over to an enemy. (OBL) And lose his advantage with it.****

i believe once a democratic government is installed in the middle east, it will have a domino effect on the others (yes, i have read what some fucking analyst said about that, but i dont buy it...that's for another thread, though).

****We'll see. Let's hope so. ****


i believe it is the responsibility of the free countries of the world to get rid of those who threaten world peace.

****Ok.. some would say USA threatens world peace with it's nasty behavior that many consider bully-ish.

it is the government's job to protect its citizens from threats, whether they be foreign or domestic.

***True.

i honestly believe this administration when they say iraq is a threat. (they know waaaaayyyyyy more than you and me).

***Ok... I don't trust them a bit but we differ there.

i think this war with iraq might be the 'nail in the coffin' for the UN, by proving them irrelevant and useless, thus giving the US reason to pull out once and for all. (this would be my dream come true).

***Still haven't made my mind up about UN.. think it's important for countries to have a forum for working out grievances w/o resorting to war.

america is the lone super power, and it doesnt need permission from small, turd-world countries like guinea and the sudan, before it protects itself and its interests.

***True but bullies never last.

i am all for taking money out of the french economy. (fucking ingrates)

****Not worth American lives.*****

i am all for raising the unemployment rate even higher in germany. (fucking ingrates)

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i am all for asserting our supremacy to the fucking europeans, that are pissed there is no longer a soviet union to balance out world 'power'.

***Bullies never last.

i want the US to continue to be the world's lone super power.


***Me too.

having a pro-US government installed in iraq will help drive down the price of oil.

***Bullshit. Since when?

US contracts for rebuilding iraq will help our country's economy.

*** I guess....enough to offset the multi-hundred billion dollar pricetag of invasion, occupation and employment (possibly) of Iraqi's on govt. tip? ? ?

a succesful war will help turn our economy around.

*** True maybe, but not a sole reason for American deaths.****

i'm tired of 'peace' protestors allowing dictators to kill even more people than they already have, by helping in the delay of us taking action.

*** Anti-peace Bushies installed saddam and other dick-taters

i would rather have a 'pre-emptive strike' than wait for more americans to die before we take action.

*** Well... this may end up causing more civilian deaths by polarizing the entire muslim world against us even worse, and swelling the ranks of their numbers... I am not near convinced that Saddam is a terroristic danger to us.

i want to further discredit the leftists by showing them and the american people how wrong they were about the iraqi situation, when we go into iraq and uncover the WMD, mass graves, connections to terrorists, horrible living conditions, etc. etc. etc.

****We'll see jellybean.

i could keep on going, but im bored now.

*** Me too

 

[Sushi X]

i find it funny, whatever bush says the right believes. if he says saddam has a rabbit with a nuke tied to it's back, they'd believe it. personally, i feel most of what this admin is telling us is all slanted towards brainwashing i mean convincing people that we must invade iraq. i won't hold the left blameless, too many sheep their too, but myself i question everything. i want to know all the facts. we are not getting all the facts about the conditions in iraq and the cost and length of the war. i mention cost, so do many others, and yet the right slams us for wanting to know how much this is costing US the TAXPAYERS. remember, this is our money funding this war. is a bankrupt nation worth a military victory in iraq? if you can answer that one honestly then we will know where your priorities are.

 

[louden_swain]

I support Poinks views. . .lets get this show on the road!

 

[circusgirl]

He wants the US to be destroyed. He is in 100% control of an oil rich nation. He has chemical and biological weapons. He only needs enriched uranium or plutonium to creat a nuclear weapon. What about that do you not understand?

India, Pakistan and Israel have nukes. They have not used them. I don't think Saddam has nukes, but if he does, there is no indication that he is going to use those either.

Sadamm would never attack the US or any other country on open ground. That has not been a consideration since 1991. That is not what terrorists do.

There is no link that I can see between Al Qaeda and Saddam. AL Qaeda are a direct threat to Saddam's hold on power in IRaq. Furthermore, AL Qaeda hate the fucker, he's secular, drinks, smokes, sees women etc, they consider him an "infidel" and like him about as much as they like Bush. Remember, Saddam is your usual tinpot dictator, Al Qaeda are a bunch of religious nutcases. Chalk and cheese. I don't think that Saddam had anything to do with the attack on the WTC.

Ridding the world of tyranny is not a good idea? How is it not feasible? We aren't talking about the scottish military here. The US has enough power to control the entire planet. The loss of innocent foreigners and American soldiers is the only thing holding us back. Taking out a few rogue nations is easy.

There are a lot more than a few rogue nations out there. Yes, part of me would LOVE to kick the shit outta Saddam. But fundamentally, ridding a country of a dictator is only a first step. You need UN peacekeeping ofrces in there for YEARS to stabilise things. Look at it this way, South Africa was never a candidate for invasion because of apartheid, outside pressure, however, eventually forced them to cave in.

Sadamm will die. Iraqis will be free. Billions of dollars worth of crude oil will enter the global economy. It is a win win situation.

I don't share your optimism.

Incorrect. Very few people against the war are doing it for legitimate reasons. Most hate Dubya and the US. That is their only reason.

Perhaps in the US. Over here, 80% of the population are against the war. Loads of people who went on the various demos had never demonstrated in their lives before. We're not talking the usual suspects here (and no, I don't like the usual suspect types either).

There is nothing to disagree on. This is not a matter of opinion. The facts have been presented to you.

This is where we disagree. There is no proof that Iraq has any connection with Al Qaeda or other muslim terrorist networks. Believe it or not, most other arab countries also hate the guy's guts. The religous lunatics want nothing to do with him. He is a tin pot third world dictator like many others (Africa anyone?).

FOCUS ON THE REAL THREAT - AL QAEDA AND THER SOURCES OF FUNDS. These are the gyus who worry the shit outta me.

 

[ariolanine]

India, Pakistan and Israel have nukes. They have not used them. I don't think Saddam has nukes, but if he does, there is no indication that he is going to use those either.

Those countries have never demonstrated the insanity that Saddam has. Those countries have shown nothing but absolute restraint with their nukes, especially Israel. Saddam is a madman who would use a nuke against the US or Europe.

There is no link that I can see between Al Qaeda and Saddam. AL Qaeda are a direct threat to Saddam's hold on power in IRaq. Furthermore, AL Qaeda hate the fucker, he's secular, drinks, smokes, sees women etc, they consider him an "infidel" and like him about as much as they like Bush. Remember, Saddam is your usual tinpot dictator, Al Qaeda are a bunch of religious nutcases. Chalk and cheese. I don't think that Saddam had anything to do with the attack on the WTC..

I also don't believe there is a solid link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. But the notion that it's because Saddam is secular is fucking ridiculous. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were not strict muslims. There is evidence of them gambling, drinking, smoking, watching American TV, etc... Like all desperate people they are willing to bend the rules in order to achieve their objectives. If Larry Flynt offered to sell a nuke to Bin Laden, he would buy it.

There are a lot more than a few rogue nations out there. Yes, part of me would LOVE to kick the shit outta Saddam. But fundamentally, ridding a country of a dictator is only a first step. You need UN peacekeeping ofrces in there for YEARS to stabilise things. Look at it this way, South Africa was never a candidate for invasion because of apartheid, outside pressure, however, eventually forced them to cave in...

Perhaps in the US. Over here, 80% of the population are against the war. Loads of people who went on the various demos had never demonstrated in their lives before. We're not talking the usual suspects here (and no, I don't like the usual suspect types either)....

Since Saddam wants nothing to do with you, why would I care what people anywhere in Europe think. It does not matter if 100% of europe is against the war. Let me confirm it for you - AMERICANS DON"T CARE WHAT EUROPEANS THINK ABOUT US OR OUR POLICY'S.

This is where we disagree. There is no proof that Iraq has any connection with Al Qaeda or other muslim terrorist networks. Believe it or not, most other arab countries also hate the guy's guts. The religous lunatics want nothing to do with him. He is a tin pot third world dictator like many others (Africa anyone?). )....

There doesn't need to be any proof. He wants to see America destroyed. So we will kill him first.

FOCUS ON THE REAL THREAT - AL QAEDA AND THER SOURCES OF FUNDS. These are the gyus who worry the shit outta me.

Don't worry we are. The media is biased. Trust me, the shit will be handled.

 

[Sinistar]

Those countries have never demonstrated the insanity that Saddam has. Those countries have shown nothing but absolute restraint with their nukes, especially Israel. Saddam is a madman who would use a nuke against the US or Europe.
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saddam gets his ass handed to him in the gulf war, retreats back across the border and waits out the last few days of his life. by your definition, bush is the nut case.

im sure he would love to see america go down. im sure alot of other ppl would too. we gonna jump nasty on north korea? nope, cause they could hurt us.

so we know north korea has a nuke, and we leave them alone. but were pretty damn sure iraq has one, so were gonna haul 300,000 ppl over there to fuck him up. doesnt anyone else see an incongruity here?

 

[ariolanine]

Those countries have never demonstrated the insanity that Saddam has. Those countries have shown nothing but absolute restraint with their nukes, especially Israel. Saddam is a madman who would use a nuke against the US or Europe.
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saddam gets his ass handed to him in the gulf war, retreats back across the border and waits out the last few days of his life. by your definition, bush is the nut case.

im sure he would love to see america go down. im sure alot of other ppl would too. we gonna jump nasty on north korea? nope, cause they could hurt us.

so we know north korea has a nuke, and we leave them alone. but were pretty damn sure iraq has one, so were gonna haul 300,000 ppl over there to fuck him up. doesnt anyone else see an incongruity here?

Are you privy to american foreign policy plans? What makes you so sure that we are going to ignore N.Korea?