P+C or P+F

[anthrax]

Here is an extract of a t-mag article:

By separating carbs and fats in meals, you're not allowing simultaneous high blood levels of carbs, fat and insulin. And although there are certainly other systems of the body that contribute to gaining body fat, it's this area that most people in today's fast food world need to work on.
So the P + F (protein plus fat) meals keep insulin under control and allow you to get in some healthy fats. The P + C (protein plus carb) meals allow the body to become very anabolic, taking up all those carbs and amino acids into the muscle cells for protein and glycogen synthesis. And since there's no excess fat in these meals for the fat cells, fat gain is minimized even if you're eating a boatload of calories. Basically this diet allows you to eat a large amount of healthy carbohydrates and fats in the same day without worrying about whether they'll destroy your hard-earned physique.



I know t-mag is not the most reliable source of info (and often it is biased info, pro biotest and anti soy propaganda) but what do you think of this article ?

 

[gymrat]

thanks for the info bro

 

[MS]

Amen. I was just recently at a seminar where it was clearly demonstrated that the production of "foam cells" (these are the cells that deposit and cause arterial plaques=heart disease) is only stimulated when insulin, leptin AND triglycerides are all high at the same time. If any one of these three ingredients is lacking, you can't get foam cell production. Now it IS possible to eat fats and carbs together without stimulating high insulin and leptin, but you've gotta keep everything moderate and keep the fiber high and GI low (eg eat veggies). Otherwise I think it's best to avoid eating large fatty carby meals. In nature, there is no such thing as a naturally occurring high fat high carb food, so this combo is also likely to be "new" to our bodies in evolutionary terms.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Bread and cheese
Crackers and cream cheese
Potato chips
Peanuts and beer ....

Why do all the yummiest things have to be the worst for one's physique?

Thanks for the info, Anthrax.

 

[Par Deus]

If you eat a bunch of fat, it will be deposited as triglycerides -- insulin does not need to be present. Acylation-stimulating protein does the job just fine.

 

[Complete Muscle]

So Par are you saying that view is not founded??? Or is there someting to be said for their P+F and P+C theory?

 

[vtec96]

Amen. I was just recently at a seminar where it was clearly demonstrated that the production of "foam cells" (these are the cells that deposit and cause arterial plaques=heart disease) is only stimulated when insulin, leptin AND triglycerides are all high at the same time. If any one of these three ingredients is lacking, you can't get foam cell production. Now it IS possible to eat fats and carbs together without stimulating high insulin and leptin, but you've gotta keep everything moderate and keep the fiber high and GI low (eg eat veggies). Otherwise I think it's best to avoid eating large fatty carby meals. In nature, there is no such thing as a naturally occurring high fat high carb food, so this combo is also likely to be "new" to our bodies in evolutionary terms.

MS..ok I understand about the high insulin (sugars) and triglycerides (fat) but what would cause an increase in leptin?

 

[MS]

I suspect Par Deus' comment was in response to the idea that you won't gain fat if you separate your carb and fat consumption. This is clearly not true since excess fat can be very easily stored as bodyfat even in the absence of insulin/carbs.

Vtec, several conditions can cause high leptin levels. Obesity (leading to leptin resistance much like it leads to insulin resistance) is the main culprit in modern times. A diet with lots of high GI carbs is another. In any event it seems prudent to me to avoid eating meals that are high in both fats AND sugars for long term health. Oh yeah, and don't get obese!

 

[anthrax]

OK, large fatty meals will make you store fat in your adypocytes wheter there are also carbs or not, but,

Let's say tou have 2 meals of 500 calories each

is there a difference between:

meal1 = 500 cal of P+F
meal2 = 500 cal of P+C

and

meal1 = 500 cal of P+F+C
meal2 = 500 cal of P+F+C

 

[BigbubbaTX]

I suspect Par Deus' comment was in response to the idea that you won't gain fat if you separate your carb and fat consumption. This is clearly not true since excess fat can be very easily stored as bodyfat even in the absence of insulin/carbs.

I think the keyword is EXCESS FAT. If you are on any diet, you will want to be eating under your caloric maintenance level. I dont think they are saying to eat a stick of butter with your chicken breast. But if you supplement with flax oil, which we all should, these are fats that they are talking about. Read the article.

 

[vtec96]

Vtec, several conditions can cause high leptin levels. Obesity (leading to leptin resistance much like it leads to insulin resistance) is the main culprit in modern times. A diet with lots of high GI carbs is another. In any event it seems prudent to me to avoid eating meals that are high in both fats AND sugars for long term health. Oh yeah, and don't get obese!

I really dont plan on getting Obese especially from my current 150lb weight!! Its hard enough to gain 5 lbs with my super fast metabolisim!!!

One question though, here is my typical morning breakfast.... Would this casue an increase in Leptin? (im thinking maybe from the extra raisins, fructose?) .....

One cup of Oats
1 tsp Flax Oil
1 serv Raisins
1 scoop Whey

Thanks,