Orals vs. Injectables

[Ffactor]

I've cycled with orals twice once with d-bol, the other time with winny, and after both cycles I lost EVERTHING that I gained. However, when I stick to injectables only, I retain most of my gains. Is there a logical reason for why this would happen?

 

[AceFrehley]

Not sure - but i cycled Oxandrolone only and so far (two weeks after cycle) I haven't lost much other than "full" or "pump" look. Muscle gains are staying...so far.

 

[Canuck4]

Not sure - but i cycled Oxandrolone only and so far (two weeks after cycle) I haven't lost much other than "full" or "pump" look. Muscle gains are staying...so far.

Thats typical with Anavar but not with other orals like Dbol, anadrol Etc.
Also proper clomid post cycle help the process of keeping gains.

 

[bigAragorn]

I've cycled with orals twice once with d-bol, the other time with winny, and after both cycles I lost EVERTHING that I gained. However, when I stick to injectables only, I retain most of my gains. Is there a logical reason for why this would happen?

did you use clomid after any of these cycles?

 

[e2]

There are several reason as to why this could happen, as big aaron said, perhaps no post cycle therapy?? This in conjunction with the very fast acting nature of orals could easily cause you to lose all yoru gains.

 

[Ffactor]

Did not use Clomid, have not used Clomid with injectables either, usually bridge with prescribed test gel. Post cycle therapy is exactly the same for either type of cycle, but only lose significant mass when orals have been used.

E2 - nice to see you!

 

[THeMaCHinE]

What AS did you inject? How long were each of your cycles? How much did you ingest/inject in each of your cycles? How long did you wait inbetween each cycle? What order did you do the cycles in (i.e. oral, oral, inject, inject)? How much did you gain on each cycle? No clomid, liquidex, nolva, etc?

 

[Ffactor]

First cycle, 12 weeks - 500 mg sust/week, 30 mg d-bol/day
Gained about 20lbs. No clomid post cycle. Within a week post cycle started urinating frequently and in less than two months lost everything and then some.

Second cycle, 12 weeks, 600 mg test enanth and 400 mg deca per week. Gained 14lbs. No clomid post cycle. Kept everything.

Third cycle, 12 weeks, 800 mg test enanth, 400 mg primo per week. Gained 15 lbs. Kept everything. No clomid PC.

Fifth Cycle, 12 weeks, 600 mg test enanth, 600 mg deca, 40 mg winny tabs EOD. Gained less than 10 lbs. Lost everything. No Clomid PC.

Sixth cycle, 10 weeks, 76 mg fina EOD. Gained 4 lbs. Kept everything. No Clomid PC.

Seventh cycle, 10 weeks, 150 mg fina EOD. Gained 4 lbs. Kept everything. No Clomid PC.

Diet was pretty much the same through all cycles.

 

[McBane]

Get some god damn clomid then lol. 7 cycles and you've never used clomid?! Your lucky you've kept any gains at all.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

First cycle, 12 weeks - 500 mg sust/week, 30 mg d-bol/day
Gained about 20lbs. No clomid post cycle. Within a week post cycle started urinating frequently and in less than two months lost everything and then some.

710 mg total AS intake/week (how did you take the dbol on this cycle? 1x day, 2x, 3x, 4x, etc.?); (I'm thinking that if you took it suboptimally ((like the winny in cycle 5)) that you may have negated its effects in this cycle)


Second cycle, 12 weeks, 600 mg test enanth and 400 mg deca per week. Gained 14lbs. No clomid post cycle. Kept everything.

1000 mg total AS intake/week


Third cycle, 12 weeks, 800 mg test enanth, 400 mg primo per week. Gained 15 lbs. Kept everything. No clomid PC.

1200 mg total AS intake/week


Fifth Cycle, 12 weeks, 600 mg test enanth, 600 mg deca, 40 mg winny tabs EOD. Gained less than 10 lbs. Lost everything. No Clomid PC.

1320-1360 mg total AS intake/wk (really only 1200 if winny discounted); here, IMHO, you didn't take the winny right -- oral winny has a half-life of 9 hours, 3x dosing/day is optimal; eod dosing likely rendered it ineffective in your cycle


Sixth cycle, 10 weeks, 76 mg fina EOD. Gained 4 lbs. Kept everything. No Clomid PC.

228-304 mg total AS intake/wk


Seventh cycle, 10 weeks, 150 mg fina EOD. Gained 4 lbs. Kept everything. No Clomid PC.

450-600 mg total AS intake/wk

Diet was pretty much the same through all cycles.

What are your stats?

I'm thinking that you don't respond well to test/deca under a certain threshold -- would cover all but cycle 5. The fina cycles it's hard to tell -- 4 lb over 2.5 months might be diet or something else -- or it could be that you respond well to fina (especially with eod vs. ed injections).