Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below after my recent hospitialization from IP injectables I'm thinking of doing an orals only cycle till i feel comfy with the pins again. I have a decent amount of winny, anavar and dbol. anyone ever run an orals only cycle and get good results? any suggested cycles that wont have my liver screemin' for help?
Orals only cycle
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So long as you keep doses low on multiple orals simultaneously I don't think it should be any harder on your liver. 25mg of Dbol + 25mg Anavar shouldn't be any worse on your liver than 50mg of Dbol.
If you want to run the Dbol I'd suggest an anti-e, liquidex being the best choice probably to keep water bloat down. I'd suggest running low doses of Anavar the entire time, then use Dbol for the first half of the cycle and Winny for the 2nd.
Maybe something like:
Weeks 1-6: 20mg Anavar ED
Weeks 1-3: 30mg Dbol ED
Weeks 4-6: 50mg Winny ED
Doses are just a guess on my part, I have no clue what your previous experience with orals are or what your weight is. You would definately have to use clomid for a few weeks after this cycle.
Regardless what people love to say, you CAN get good results from an oral only cyle, it's just not as efficient to run them and because of liver toxicity the length of the cycle suffers. However instead of going for 8-10 weeks you can do some shorter burst cycles. 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc...
You also didn't mention if you were bulking or not. If you're trying to gain weight I'd say to the hell with winny. I'd just do the Dbol the entire time along with the Anavar and save the winny for a diet cycle. So long as you use an anti-e to keep water weight down I'd say any weight you manage to put on with the Dbol/Anavar should be real muscle and keepable.
If you want to run the Dbol I'd suggest an anti-e, liquidex being the best choice probably to keep water bloat down. I'd suggest running low doses of Anavar the entire time, then use Dbol for the first half of the cycle and Winny for the 2nd.
Maybe something like:
Weeks 1-6: 20mg Anavar ED
Weeks 1-3: 30mg Dbol ED
Weeks 4-6: 50mg Winny ED
Doses are just a guess on my part, I have no clue what your previous experience with orals are or what your weight is. You would definately have to use clomid for a few weeks after this cycle.
Regardless what people love to say, you CAN get good results from an oral only cyle, it's just not as efficient to run them and because of liver toxicity the length of the cycle suffers. However instead of going for 8-10 weeks you can do some shorter burst cycles. 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc...
You also didn't mention if you were bulking or not. If you're trying to gain weight I'd say to the hell with winny. I'd just do the Dbol the entire time along with the Anavar and save the winny for a diet cycle. So long as you use an anti-e to keep water weight down I'd say any weight you manage to put on with the Dbol/Anavar should be real muscle and keepable.
soflaguy
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check out this thread
I proposed the same thing, and no one thought it was a good idea. So I just stuck with 40mg Ox ED and I'm getting the results I wanted.
Take a look at the thread....
Oral-Only Cycle
I proposed the same thing, and no one thought it was a good idea. So I just stuck with 40mg Ox ED and I'm getting the results I wanted.
Take a look at the thread....
Oral-Only Cycle
I read through that thread and saw what I expected. It irritates me to no end to see the stereotyping blatantly thrown around in that thread. The general response in a nutshell was that:
1. If you don't stick yourself with a needle then obviously you're not serious enough and probably don't have your diet and workout routine in order.
2. If you don't stick yourself then you're a pussy.
Statement number 1 was an actual response to the oral only question. What in fuck's sense does that make? The willingness to inject oneself with AS has no bearing whatsoever with your knowledge of diet and training. I see more idiots in my gym who think that jabbing themselves with a needle does all the work so they can half-ass their diets and workouts. I'd be willing to lay money down that someone who has their diet and training nailed down would get better gains with orals only than some idiot who jabs himself with over a gram of juice per week but has no clue about diet and training.
I speak from experience as I got better results from a 6 week transdermal Fina cycle than many others got injecting 75mg daily. Why? Because I know my body very well after years of experimenting with diets and routines and I know what works for me.
Also not everyone who chooses not to inject does it because they're scared of needles. I am personally very open with my wife about my AS use. She was reluctant at first but agreed to let me try them so long as I stayed away from needles in the beginning. We comprimised and I respected her wishes. Now that she has seen that AS can be used responsibly she is more likely to let me go the injectable route without resistance in the future. Until then I will continue using other methods.
At any rate diet and training play the biggest role in any cycle whether it be oral, transdermal or injectables. I'm not arguing the fact that an injectable cycle has the potential to give greater results, however telling someone they're wasting their time with an oral cycle is rediculous. So long as diet and training are in order they can make excellent gains with this method as I have. I will most likely start injectables at some point in the future, but I'd like to experiment with other methods to see what kind of results I can get if only to prove the naysayers.
Also consider the risks of long term injectables. There is always the risk of infection, shooting into a vein and also scar tissue build-up. With orals the major risk is liver damage but so long as you keep cycles short and dosages within reason this is a short term risk.
1. If you don't stick yourself with a needle then obviously you're not serious enough and probably don't have your diet and workout routine in order.
2. If you don't stick yourself then you're a pussy.
Statement number 1 was an actual response to the oral only question. What in fuck's sense does that make? The willingness to inject oneself with AS has no bearing whatsoever with your knowledge of diet and training. I see more idiots in my gym who think that jabbing themselves with a needle does all the work so they can half-ass their diets and workouts. I'd be willing to lay money down that someone who has their diet and training nailed down would get better gains with orals only than some idiot who jabs himself with over a gram of juice per week but has no clue about diet and training.
I speak from experience as I got better results from a 6 week transdermal Fina cycle than many others got injecting 75mg daily. Why? Because I know my body very well after years of experimenting with diets and routines and I know what works for me.
Also not everyone who chooses not to inject does it because they're scared of needles. I am personally very open with my wife about my AS use. She was reluctant at first but agreed to let me try them so long as I stayed away from needles in the beginning. We comprimised and I respected her wishes. Now that she has seen that AS can be used responsibly she is more likely to let me go the injectable route without resistance in the future. Until then I will continue using other methods.
At any rate diet and training play the biggest role in any cycle whether it be oral, transdermal or injectables. I'm not arguing the fact that an injectable cycle has the potential to give greater results, however telling someone they're wasting their time with an oral cycle is rediculous. So long as diet and training are in order they can make excellent gains with this method as I have. I will most likely start injectables at some point in the future, but I'd like to experiment with other methods to see what kind of results I can get if only to prove the naysayers.
Also consider the risks of long term injectables. There is always the risk of infection, shooting into a vein and also scar tissue build-up. With orals the major risk is liver damage but so long as you keep cycles short and dosages within reason this is a short term risk.
THeMaCHinE
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Are your tabs **?
His anavar is questionable - might as well double whatever you want your real dosage to be.
I don't know about his dbol but if it is really 50mg I hope it is evenly distributed in the pill. A 50mg dbol pill is next to useless unless you want to mega dose. 20mg would be a fine daily dose if stacking orals-only maybe 25mg absolute max. Split it 3 times a day and you see the issue with a 50mg tab.
Winstrol - apparently IP winstrol is decent - split it in 1/2 and take twice per day.
I liked Veg's cycle.
Ideally:
1-8 Anavar 40-50mg IP ED (split in 2 dosages) or 20-30mg of real ox
1-3 dbol 20mg ED (split in at least 3 dosages - 4 is good - too bad no 5mg pills, you may want to pick some up)
4-6 winstrol 50mg ED (split in 2 dosages)
Something like that would work well as would running the var 10 weeks with the others a bit longer too. This would be the basic idea, depending on your stock adjust as needed.
PS: buy human grade next time - a few others have had issues also even after proper heat sterilization and syringe filtering. I don't know what the problem is but it's just not worth the risk.
I don't know about his dbol but if it is really 50mg I hope it is evenly distributed in the pill. A 50mg dbol pill is next to useless unless you want to mega dose. 20mg would be a fine daily dose if stacking orals-only maybe 25mg absolute max. Split it 3 times a day and you see the issue with a 50mg tab.
Winstrol - apparently IP winstrol is decent - split it in 1/2 and take twice per day.
I liked Veg's cycle.
Ideally:
1-8 Anavar 40-50mg IP ED (split in 2 dosages) or 20-30mg of real ox
1-3 dbol 20mg ED (split in at least 3 dosages - 4 is good - too bad no 5mg pills, you may want to pick some up)
4-6 winstrol 50mg ED (split in 2 dosages)
Something like that would work well as would running the var 10 weeks with the others a bit longer too. This would be the basic idea, depending on your stock adjust as needed.
PS: buy human grade next time - a few others have had issues also even after proper heat sterilization and syringe filtering. I don't know what the problem is but it's just not worth the risk.
THeMaCHinE
New member
reddy said:
As MadCow said, dosing is highly questionable in ** products. That said, about a year or so ago, I did a 7-week oral ** cycle that included 50 mgs/day of dbol and 50-75 mgs/day winny. I split the dbol into 4 dosages and the winny into 2 (using a razorblade). All dosages were taken w/ grapefruit juice to help deactivate the CYP3A4 and P54 enzyme activity -- leading to increased efficacy.
Some will say that this dose of 17aa is too high; from my research, I found it is relatively common for some of the more experienced guys to dose in this range -- just pay attention to your body, keep your water intake high and drink cranberry juice. (add further protectant measures if it makes you feel better). I probably wouldn't go with this high of a protocol on non ** products, but start low and taper up if you wish.
It was a good cycle for me; but I wouldn't use his products again.
The anavar I've heard very few good things about.
reddy said:
Next time pasturize all your injectables if they are I P or vet.
Take some air out of the vials. Put them in a water bath at 160 degree F...get a candy thermometer for $3. Keep the heat at 160 for 30 minutes. A deep fat fryer or electric frying pan works best.
This will kill all the bugs and not harm the hormone.
I have done many all oral cycles (as sometimes reasons do dictate) and have had good results.
In terms of damage to your liver this will really depend on your own tolerance but will regular checks and protectants there is no reason so say they will be damaging (again depending on your tolerance).
IMO i would mail Fonz he has a vast knowledge of all oral cycles and i have certainly learnt a lot from him.
What i will say is yes they can be as effective but you will notice an increase in price.
Alternatively do not buy IP injectables or tabs and you can then ensure some sterility if you have encountered problems.
Here in the UK we are lucky that AS laws are far more relaxed and hence do not have to consider IP injectables.
Wrongun!
In terms of damage to your liver this will really depend on your own tolerance but will regular checks and protectants there is no reason so say they will be damaging (again depending on your tolerance).
IMO i would mail Fonz he has a vast knowledge of all oral cycles and i have certainly learnt a lot from him.
What i will say is yes they can be as effective but you will notice an increase in price.
Alternatively do not buy IP injectables or tabs and you can then ensure some sterility if you have encountered problems.
Here in the UK we are lucky that AS laws are far more relaxed and hence do not have to consider IP injectables.
Wrongun!
