Oral Winny vs S-4 vs Epi Strong

[HOPDUP95]

I was waiting on some oral winny from a buddy as I was wanting to lean up and build some lean muscle as well but the past few days I've gotten some emails as most of you probably have about the s-4 and epi-strong so they got me curious.

IF anyone has ever taken these please give me some info on what you think would be better for building lean muscle and cutting. I am 6'3 208 and about 15% bf. The guy I was going to get the oral winny from also told me that none of the orals work as well without test backing it. Is this true? Also does the transdermal test work as well as injectible? Trying to hide needles from the girl got to be a chore... I know the Oral winny can cause dry/sore joints but do the others do this as well and would all three work better with test, or will I notice a good difference without the test? Thanks

 

[ballslee]

dude your numbers have to be wrong.....6'3 208 and 15%.......that weight is so low for this height, and 15 percent is a little high for that low weight....u sure about that?
i am 6'4 lowest i have been was 240 @ 10% in high school, since adding muscle i haven't ever been below 250. so do you have any kind of base?

how often do you workout? how much cardio do you do? what is your diet like?
i ask these because there are a lot of things you could change in your training regime to 'cut' up.

you can take all 3 without test, but you still need to properly post cycle them all.
winny is the best option there.....
but s4 is pretty damn good, only thing that sucks is the vision side"
never taken epi strong

Transdermal test can't work as injectable

trying to hide juice from your girl is a lot easier than you think. as long as she isn't digging through things all the time.
suggestions i would have are cutting holes in furniture under like couch cushions or the bed, on the side so its not visible

or you can put them in a place she cant reach, or some stuff that never moves like an old backpack or laptop case or tools, VCR player, computer casing, etc something that she will not go in ever............or you could just tell her, its not as big a deal as you think. but i did bunches of cycles without noticing, and only time she did was when i left a damn needle cap on the bed...........was so pissed

 

[joeblow12345]

All 3 are great options for cutting. They can be run solo or stacked. I definitely suggest stacking the winny with test. If you do run winny I suggest you get some n2shampoo and its hell on the hairline. The epi goes great with katana and rs transaderm. There's a link in my sig with codes for transaderm. The s4 can be stacked with gw and osta.

 

[HOPDUP95]

Yeah, I did a cycle before and I was able to hide it for ten weeks then the last two weeks she found them lol. Eh well. I promised her no more needles thats why I was curious about the orals.
6'3 and 208 isn't that low, according to the BMI (which doesn't seem right) I'm almost obese lol. I have more of an athletic/slender build. for the longest time I couldn't even get over 190. The body fat percentage could be a little high. I haven't used the calipers in a few weeks so it could be a little lower as I have lost a few lbs, it was just a guestimate.

I eat well, every 2-3 hours with high protein/low carb meals and the carbs I do eat are complex carbs. I just cut down from 230lbs so I have done well with diet alone but I am looking to cut up the stomach/chest and arms a little more. I do major cardio for an hour two times a week, and short amounts of cardio a couple other days a week but definitely not every day.

I had just heard about the new transdermals and didn't know if they were any good or not. Someone had even mentioned a transdermal tren but I haven't heard how good it is or where to get it...

I've done a cycle of some stuff calle dragon from max muscle and a tren/test cycle but I lost all the weight I put on each time. Figured I might as well just try to get lean and build some more lean muscle. Thanks for the input man!

 

[ballslee]

^im running the transdermal tren now, it is solid. but the website got shut down. you probably need to edit your post and take out those supp/lab names.....

 

[bigbassturd]

I agree with joe, anyone running winny needs to hit up N2Shampoo

winny is pretty harsh on the hair

 

[HOPDUP95]

damn, that's good to know! I'd be questioned as the first bald man in my family... Is the oral worse than injectible winny or are they both the same as far as hair/side effects go?

 

[bigbassturd]

They're both the same. It's the same compound, just delivered to the blood differently. DHTs are really harsh on the hair, but can be managed if you stop it before it happens

 

[Jigga14]

I agree with joe, anyone running winny needs to hit up N2Shampoo

winny is pretty harsh on the hair

Is there any place that ever sells this? Would love to check it out if it was ever in stock. U guys keep recommending it...

 

[psizzle_8]

Needtobuildmuscle. I use it when I run DHTs, hate when it's out of stock. One bottle lasts a long time though