Re: Re: Re: Oral Winny v Injectable Winny
Nutrient-Nut said:
RG, this is interesting, everyone knows that Winny injectable is a little more effective than the oral, but these opinions are based on the fact that in the past most people never took 50 mg ed of oral Winny, the doses use to be much lower b/c the oral form was originally only available in a 2 mg tablet. I will repeat, doses of oral Winny were seldom taken at equivalent doses of the injectable. I'm wondering how you determined that 50 mg of the injectable is equivalent to 75 mg of the oral. Are you some kind of a chemist or just a guy that likes to throw out stats with no medical backing? I know that you haven't taken 75 mg of oral Winny ed, b/c that would kill your poor little liver. You have a weak liver and that's why you're against orals, b/c you personally can't handle them. That's fine, but don't come out and try to act like an expert by quoting mg per mg comparisons when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Some of these newbies are convinced that you are some kind of a steroid guru, which we all know is the farthest from the truth. Tell us all how you figured out that 50 mg Winny IM is equal to 75 mg Winny Oral!
NN
IMO, 50 mg of Oral Winstrol is very effective and an upper limit for me. I've had great success with oral Winny at lower doses than 50.
WOW! What an ass hey bro's.....he he he
Anyway...I guess in 19 years of roid use I have certainly discovered that winstrol taken orally doesn't have the same impact in the gains dept. as winstrol IM....and anyone that has done winstrol both ways will know this. I guess you have yet to do it both ways MR. Experienced!
The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention
Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)
Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB
Animal Health Unit and gastrointenstinal Sciences,
University of Calgary, Alberta.
The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention. Ten healthy, intact adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days(Group1, n=5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on days 7, 14, 21 and 28 (Group 2, n=5). A 15N amino acid(5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.
Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (p<0.05) increases in amino acid retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The responce to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime.
Okay bro's ...the oral dose was 28 mg per week and the IM dose was 25mg/week. The nitrogen retention ability of the IM dose was about 33% better so by extrapolation in order to see the affects of 25 mg IM one would need to eat about 38 mg.
So you need about 50% more oral winny to equal that same dose IM....
50% more of 50mg is 75 mg.
It is apparent that some of the winstrol is degraded in the digestive tract even though it has the 17aa compound to protect it from the gut.
I have another study done on humans that I am trying to find.
AND BTW I am not totally aginst oral like you think and if you followed my posts you would know this....I just don't think we need to use them in order to achieve the desired affect. One can use them if one is very careful.
Also, there are a lot of inexperienced and very young bro's on this board that are NOT followed by their doc so they shouldn't use the stuff IMO.
RG
If you want to do roids then be followed by a doctor.
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