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ORAL Winny detection = 5 months?!

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StoneColdGold

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in another thread, panerai suggested that there is a new method for testing which can detect Winny metabolites for up to 5 months, even when taken orally.

on a side note, if I decide to stick with just Prop, does anyone have any experiences with a prop only cycle? how did the post cycle losses affect you?
 
LOL.

Thanks, Man Child. But we already counted your vote! :)

Not that I don't trust you, but I've gotta get some more opinions before I potentially blow my eligibility!
 
Hey StoneCold, I'm on Winny right now, so I'm screwed too. But there's no way in hell ORAL winny is detectable for 5 months, maybe, and thats a BIG maybe injectable Winny may be detecable for 5 months.

Where did he find this info anyway??
 
The Man Child said:
Don't listen to that Jabroni, Winny WILL NOT stay in your system for 5 months. PERIOD
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That's not very nice. If anybody here is Jabroni, it's you, ignorance didn't help anyone, yet....

That's an abstract from article, you can find on the site:
http://www.sportsline.netscape.com/u/wire/stories/0,1169,2856628_188080,00.html

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Rogge, a Belgian surgeon, said he thought stanozolol was the drug of cheats from poorer countries because it was easily available almost everywhere.

It is believed that wealthier athletes who want to take drugs use more expensive substances like human growth hormone (HGH) for which the IOC has yet to develop a test.

Competitors using steroids tend to come off them at least four to five weeks before competition to get the traces out of their bodies in time to avoid detection.

But Rogge said stanozolol was stored in fat cells and could leak out into the body up to six months later.

Asked why he thought the competitors were getting caught, he said: "Because they are stupid...You can have surges again because stanozolol is stored in fat and fat cells release it on an irregular basis.

"So you are never sure. Sometimes you can have it almost six months after."
 
Stone Cold: I am about 3 days from finishing up the Winny portion of my Winny/Anadrol/Prop Cycle.

Panarai, I have to apologize on the first analysis. However, I have the feeling the doctor who reported this was talking about injectable Winny. And as we all know injectable winny has a longer detection time than oral winny.
 
Being stored in fat cells is not a matter of injection of water base substance or oral administration. Injections can be detected longer, which is known, but this does not mean that the substance all of a sudden permeates your fat cells and changes it's nature.

I'm not aware of winny's actions on the fat cells or the presence of it's metabolites being stored in the fat cells. This is new on me but I'm not a big expert in this stuff.

Now winny used to be the oral of choice to use just before testing as it cleared the body pretty quickly (you could be safe with 7-10 days - usually given a low dose). Maybe they have improved the test itself or changed the parameters to allow detection and positive results from smaller trace amounts which may still be sitting in the fat cells. Perhaps during previous tests the amount was too small to be detected or ruled negligible.
 
Could be just injectable, I can't say, but if it applies for both, the risk of being caught is greater.
I remember Animal posting on that subject some time ago, so I e-mailed him asking if he can add anything.
That's his responce:
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Believe me, the IOC and NCAA don't want that info out. I caught it on Discovery channel when they were talking to the head of the lab for IOC testing. It matters not when you think about it because all AS are fat soluble and can and will be around for basically the same time. The killer is the metabolite which comes from the break of the A ring and winny has a very odd A ring set-up which makes for a strange and easily detectable metabolite.
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I read plenty of studies when athlete was given, for example, nandrolone, test and stanozolol and only stanozolol wasn't detected, because of fast acting, but times changed and now it's just a question of luck,IMO.
 
thermo - there may have been a change in detection times with a recent change in the olymp. testing methods. We all know the standard times.

Apparently there may be a change in the classical detection times for stan. in the metabolite form which may linger for a very long time in the body.

panerai - thanks for the info. Not very pertinent to my current situation but I find this stuff facinating for some reason.
 
Testing of the anabolic stanozolol in human hair by gas chromatography-negative ion chemical ionization mass spectrometry.

J Chromatogr B Biomed Sci Appl 2000 Apr 14;740(2):265-71 (ISSN: 1387-2273)

Cirimele V; Kintz P; Ludes B [Find other articles with these Authors]
Institut de Medecine Legale, Strasbourg, France. [email protected].

A sensitive, specific and reproducible method for the quantitative determination of stanozolol in human hair has been developed. The sample preparation involved a decontamination step of the hair with methylene chloride and the sonication in methanol of 100 mg of powdered hair for 2 h. After elimination of the solvent, the hair sample was solubilized in 1 ml 1 M NaOH, 15 min at 95 degrees C, in the presence of 10 ng stanozolol-d3 used as internal standard. The homogenate was neutralized and extracted using consecutively a solid-phase (Isolute C18) and a liquid-liquid (pentane) extraction. After evaporation of the final organic phase, the dry extract was derivatized using 40 microl MBHFA-TMSI (1000:20, v/v), incubated for 5 min at 80 degrees C, followed by 10 microl of MBHFBA, incubated for 30 min at 80 degrees C. The derivatized extract was analyzed by a Hewlett-Packard GC-MS system with a 5989 B Engine operating in the negative chemical ionization mode of detection. Linearity of the detector response was observed for stanozolol concentrations ranging from 5 to 200 pg/mg with a correlation coefficient of 0.998. The assay was capable of detecting 2 pg of stanozolol per mg of hair when approximately 100 mg hair material was processed, with a quantification limit set at 5 pg/mg. Intra-day precision was 5.9% at 50 pg/mg and 7.8% at 25 pg/mg with extraction recoveries of 79.8 and 75.1%, respectively. The analysis of a 3-cm long hair strand, obtained from a young bodybuilder (27 year old) assuming to be a regular user of Winstrol (stanozolol, 2 mg), revealed the presence of stanozolol at the concentration of 15 pg/mg.

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2pg if I'm not mistaken is 0.000000000002gram. Seems like awfully little amount, can you call this amount traces?
And, I don't think that the study represent the latest word in detection of stanozolol, but can't say for sure.
 
3cm of hair.. is that from the top or bottom? A bit over an inch takes 3 months so it would need to be 100% clear of the system (5 months now?) and then 3 months on top for hair to grow out. I don't know if they are planning on using hair tests but this can get nasty quick.

All the coaches are singing Huey Lewis' 'I want a new drug' song.
 
I'm familiar with hair tests - if it's not on the head they take it from anywhere they can get it (head grows fastest so it's in your interest not to shave it). Basically unless you show up shaved head to toe you got problems.

Now that would be funny...a totally shaved guy for a hair follicle test. Tell them you're a recreational swimmer who is ultra competitive and can't affort those new smooth suits.
 
StoneCold, we completely forgot that the IOC uses Gas Chromotagraphy and Hair Tests. They will definitely be detected longer using those methods. However, in our case, the NCAA, they only use urine testing. I'd say we were fine.
 
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