Optimizing Cycle in the gym

[VooDoo Lady]

Ok – I know you have to eat eat eat while on cycle to support muscle growth and make the most of a cycle.

My question is this - what should one be doing different in the gym?

It’s a general Q I know – but bestow upon me your wisdom, please.

Thanks,
VDL

 

[SofaGeorge]

Ok – I know you have to eat eat eat while on cycle to support muscle growth and make the most of a cycle.
My question is this - what should one be doing different in the gym?
It’s a general Q I know – but bestow upon your wisdom, please. Thanks,
VDL

Voodoo, my wife did many and many a cycle... so we got a really good perspective of what works and what doesn't work for women... and what to do differently when on cycle. The number #1 mistake she made, as you mentioned, was her eating. She found if she didn't increase her quality protien intake her cycles were not optimum... so she actually started carrying around her goofy little Japanese "Fun with Ling Ling" lunch box so that she could take homemade protein shakes, cans of tuna, turkey burgers, etc... with her. When she got good about eating every three hours her muscle definitely built faster. He major training change was to always lift heavy on cycles. Too many women avoid going heavy. (By heavy I only mean max weight for 6 reps.) She would do 10-12 sets off cycle... but on cycle she felt she got her best gains when she pushed up the poundage. (It was very common for her to include one rep max sets too.) She tended to carry a lot of her strength gains with her when she went off cycle... and that definitely improved off cycle workouts.

 

[NubianBeauty]

George, can you please elaborate about what cycles she has done... and what she got out of them

 

[SofaGeorge]

George, can you please elaborate about what cycles she has done... and what she got out of them

K... it will be hard for me to give you exact poundages of gains, though. We kept very accurate training logs... for exercises, reps, weight used, etc... and her weight at the time; however, I don't have her on-off-and-dose written on the training logs... so I will have to do a bit from memory.

Firstly, as a rule Thia only did six week cycles... never longer. She looked at the sides of steroids... and pretty much believed that most sides could be minimized with shorter cycles. (The only sides she ever got was a bit of clit enlargement, not much but noticable, and a lowering of her voice. Her voice was high to the point of being musical at first... so when it got a little "smokier" I actually liked it better.)

Her first cycle was:

primobolan tablets 25mg a day for 6 weeks

(no noticable results at all... Mexican tabs... definitely real)

her second cycle was:
Primobolan inject 100mg wk 1-6
Deca (norandren) 50-75 mg wk 1-6
Winstrol depot 50mg wk 4-6

(noticable strength gains, about 5 lbs muscle mass, and there appeared to be no muscle loss or strength loss post cycle)

Her next couple cycles were:
deca 50-100mg a week 1-6
EQ 50-100 a week 1-6

(I don't really remember her muscle mass gains here. What was more significant to me was that she seemed to be making strength and muscle gains while dropping body fat... contrary to what people tell you. Also, she seemed to be getting over a fear of doseages. What I mean by this was that she was always very afraid as a woman of using higher doses of juice for possible masculanizing effects. She was very pretty and didn't want the sides.)

Her next cycle was what we refered to as her 'heavy' cycle... intended to be a one time only event:
deca 100 mg wk 1-3
deca 150 mg wk 4
deca 200 mg wk 5
deca 50 mg wk 6
d-bol 10 mg ed 1-6

(Now I know it sounds nutty for a woman to use d-bol... but the results were fantastic. She was already a very experienced lifter... and she went up about 12 lbs on this cycle... 8-9 of which she kept permanently. Her strength also went through the roof. After this cycle she could curl 80 lbs on the EZ bar for 8 reps perfect form... she could also do 12 wide grip chins at a body weight of 165 lbs.) (I also have to footnote that although she weighed 165 lbs... she didn't look that heavy... it was very dense muscle.)

Her next cycle that I rember was basically the standard:
deca 50-100mg wk 1-6
EQ 50 mg wk 1-6
but she added a couple shots of test propionate... I just don't remember how often... I think only 1 or 2
(results... not sure of body mass... but she moved up on dumbell bench... could blast 8 clean reps with 50 lbs dumbells)

Hope that helps a little.

 

[NubianBeauty]

Thanks!! I have chatted with several women that have used d-dol, so it's not a shock to me... and thanks again for the info.

 

[Gladiola]

I think you are right-on with diet now (I need to keep learning from you!) - so long as you get enough calories. I know your daily goal is minimum 200 Gram protein, but you probably could benefit from increased carbs... so your body can use that for energy & allow the protein to go to the muscle growth - so more calories overall. I think you're already doing that though...

Only other thing that comes to mind (cuz I know you lift heavy!) is to mix up your training more. Do you incorporate drop sets? How about negatives? Partials on occasion (like "21's" for bis)? Pyramiding down to only 4 reps or so? How about some supersets of opposing muscle groups?

From my exercise physiologist friend:

the way the body is wired makes training opposing muscle groups back to back very beneficial. To avoid tearing anything, we have what is known as reciprocal innervation, meaning that when an agonist/prime mover contracts, the antagonist/opposing muscle group automatically relaxes and undergoes passive stretch. One group gets rest while the other is working, so the lactic acid that accumulates can be dispersed. And, the stretch that one group undergoes while its antagonist is working increases the strength of contraction it will generate when it becomes the working group by enhancing contractile protein crossbridge formation.