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Oprah's show 11-1-02

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anyone else watching or have seen part of it. it's totally anti-gun though she said it had nothing to do with guns or gun violence. the whole show has been about some guy's movie about the way americans have become. the entire show thus far is about too many guns, the "evil" NRA, the white man being afraid of everything. he had a small part animated about our countries history which made me sick to my stomach. i tell you , the superliberals, i would be considered liberal compared to most but there is an extent to my liberalism, just have to mock our history, heritage and cutlure to promote their anti-gun, anti-american culture, pro-we are the world agenda and that makes me sick. i can understand some of what they get at but some of them go too far. this guy even compared the NRA to the KKK.

when will people wake up and realize we have a right to own arms(guns, swords, knives), but there should be a limit, ie nukes. the white men are not to blame for every problem and imperfection this country has and that we need criminal control not gun control, we need to sit back and take a closer look at the problems. guns are not the problem nor the solution, people are the problem and the solution. where the fine line is i don't know and perhaps noone does.

note, i'm not criticizing liberals, i am criticizing superliberals(the far left anti-everything types, the minority of liberals rapidly becomimg stronger in number) nor am i here to bash conservatives as i stand with them on the gun issue. ok, just to be fair, JUST SAY NOT TO WAR IN IRAQ. there, i was fair in my criticism. :)
 
BTW, you did not get the point of Michael Moore's message.

His message was that politicians and the media falsely shape our thoughts and minds in order to acheive their ends.

He wondered why a country like Canada with a similar make-up and number of guns was so much less violent than the US (oer capita).

Your views are poorly thought out and sloppy at best.
 
i still fail to see the justification in removing the one means of defence people have against those with illegal guns
 
really? and how would you know what my views are.

what makes your's so much more organized and thought out?

just because i disagree with his ideaology, which is a feedom i might add and one that makes this country interesting, i do agree with his message of the government and media brainwashing people into thinking what they want them to think. i've said that all along.
 
danielson, there is no rationale behind it. all gun control does is hurt law abiding people and help criminals in the process. that's why criminals are criminals, they disobey the law, gun laws included.
 
Michael

Dear Mr. Moore,

I thought I'd read and seen every depraved, repugnant tactic from you anti-freedom socialist zealots, but your last letter takes the cake. Is your brain actually connected to your mouth (and the fingers that typed the repulsive piece of trash on your website this week), or are those things separate
entities?

Much like you asked Charlton Heston, I must now ask you, "Sir, have you no shame?" Do you honestly believe that rallies for our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS are somehow meant to give you and your drooling, near-catatonic disciples heartburn? Do you really need to dance over the corpse of every victim in a vain attempt to shut up those with whom you disagree?

Let me tell you something, sir! Holding a freedom rally that was scheduled MONTHS before these tragedies is NOTHING compared to the media circus you and your fanatical ilk have staged at the grave of each innocent. It's NOTHING compared to your bloodthirsty feeding at every corpse as a means to further your misguided agenda. It's NOTHING compared to your opportunistic exploitation of every tragedy and the carnivorous glee with which you wave bloody flags around to tout your misguided cause.

Do you really believe more gun control would have stopped the Columbine massacre? Do you have any earthly idea how many gun laws those two miscreants broke by illegally obtaining their firearms? 20! How many more laws have to
be broken by criminals before you get the picture? How many more bloody bodies will be stacked at the altar of disarmament before you realize that more laws will not stop criminals? Gun control will not stop them from getting their
guns. Haven't you learned your lesson from England and Australia? Must you try and turn the United States of America into a HELL where law abiding citizens are disarmed by their government and then victimized, brutalized and
stripped of every dignity by armed thugs on a daily basis? Are you really so intent on enabling criminals to further harm us?

Would you disarm Charmaine Dunbar, who shot a serial rapist in Pennsylvania just a couple of weeks ago? Would you tell her to just lay down and take it for the "common good"?

Would you disarm Thomas Stewart, who shot a criminal who had a gun pointed at his face during a robbery attempt last Friday in North Carolina? Would you tell him to not fight back, do as the criminal says and pray he doesn't shoot you?

Would you disarm Scott Hunter of Oklahoma City, who, sick and tired of being victimized time and time again, simply drew his gun at a couple of robbers and drove them away last week? Would you tell him that the rights of a couple of
street thugs are more important than his means to make an honest living?

Yes, you probably would. Slime like you don't differentiate between victim and thug. You don't care that your actions - if successful - would only serve to endanger those of us who don't make enough money to afford bodyguards and guarded gates. You don't care that the more oppressive gun laws you and your ilk push through, the more law-abiding innocents you assist in butchering. All you care about is pushing your agenda through at any cost.

Well allow me to let you in on a little secret: Freedom advocates aren't the ones who are dancing on the graves of murdered innocents. You are. We grieve with the families of the victims. We cry every time another criminal victimizes another innocent - whether it be at the point of a gun, or any other weapon. But we, who are endowed with a shred of common sense and human decency, would never think of using tragedy to further our own political means. We leave that to opportunistic scum like you. We simply go on with our
lives, realizing that our freedoms are non-negotiable and must be protected, and that the millions of law-abiding owners in this country are not responsible for crimes perpetrated by a minority of scumbags.

And let me tell you something else, SIR. These are not "pro-gun" rallies. They are PRO-FREEDOM rallies. They are meant to protect law abiding citizens like me from socialist vultures like you. They're meant to stop the erosion of our civil rights by fanatical zealots who want to paint a big, red bullseye on
the back of every law-abiding citizen and put them at the mercy of criminals and thugs.

So who is the opportunistic, audacious swine - the person who still supports freedom in the face of unspeakable tragedy, or the person who uses that tragedy
to shut the other one up?

I think you know the answer to that.

Nicki Fellenzer
 
2Thick said:


He wondered why a country like Canada with a similar make-up and number of guns was so much less violent than the US (oer capita).


Does Canada have any ghettoes similar to Compton, CA or the gang-infested areas of Chicago? This is where the difference lies.
 
Kalashnikov said:


Does Canada have any ghettoes similar to Compton, CA or the gang-infested areas of Chicago? This is where the difference lies.

Yes but nothing like those ghettoas you mentionned. In fact our "ghettos" in Montreal (Pointe St-Charles, NDG, Hochelaga....) are pretty safe. Probably cause there's not a majority of black people there, but rather a mix of everything.
 
manny78 said:


Yes but nothing like those ghettoas you mentionned. In fact our "ghettos" in Montreal (Pointe St-Charles, NDG, Hochelaga....) are pretty safe. Probably cause there's not a majority of black people there, but rather a mix of everything.

Montreal is not a regular city.

It is one of the safest in North America.
 
Michael Moore is a completely biased critic...that animated "history of America" sketch was just ridiculous...it was all about the white man and how evil and malicious he is...give me a break!
 
PinK233 said:
Michael Moore is a completely biased critic...that animated "history of America" sketch was just ridiculous...it was all about the white man and how evil and malicious he is...give me a break!

It's not like the white man did anything to black people to disadvantage them...like let's say blatant institutional racism as recently as 30 years ago.
 
2Thick said:


It is almost like you are reading from a NRA pamphlet.

and it makes sense..... crimes have increased a lot since cities like Washington and Chicago banned handguns.....
 
canada is able to spend all the
money saved on military
purchases (by falling in our shadow)
on placating social welfare programs...

fat enuff check and you'd be too lazy
to steal and rob too...

of course, then you'd live in a country
that cuba could defeat in a war
as well...:D





this is not in any nra pamphlet im aware of...:rolleyes:
 
Im surrounded by some of the worst criminals in the world here in N.O. I could only imagine what would happen if guns were made illegal...The murder rate would double...Not only would they be killing over dope...but then killing over guns....

guns would become like dope....
 
big dog said:
Im surrounded by some of the worst criminals in the world here in N.O. I could only imagine what would happen if guns were made illegal...The murder rate would double...Not only would they be killing over dope...but then killing over guns....

guns would become like dope....

You should move to a nicer neighborhood.
 
I know....

Especially with my job...Im an high end adjuster - Workers Comp, Offshore, GL, BI...so Im constantly assigned to go into the projects and interview these mofos...
 
2Thick said:


How about Montreal where hand-guns are banned? Little to no crime.

How about that M. GRC?

Well the fact is:

Since they banned handguns completely (1991, then 1995), gun related crimes have decreased a bit. But homicides in general are rising. More than ever. People will just use something else. I dont have the stats with me, but I promise I will post them for you next monday...

BTw I have a friend working at the SPVM, and he's the first to admit that among the 90 and something homicides last year, at least 8 of them would not be if the victim was armed. I guess he knows his shit better than me and you. And no he isn't a pro-gun. In fact, most SPVM pussies are anti-gun....
 
2Thick said:
BTW, you did not get the point of Michael Moore's message.

His message was that politicians and the media falsely shape our thoughts and minds in order to acheive their ends.

He wondered why a country like Canada with a similar make-up and number of guns was so much less violent than the US (oer capita).

Your views are poorly thought out and sloppy at best.



People are violent mostly became of Money. Isnt canada more socialized so everyone gets the same health care etc...making things more equal.
 
VicTusDeuS said:




People are violent mostly became of Money. Isnt canada more socialized so everyone gets the same health care etc...making things more equal.

Health care sucks ASS up here. People have to wait SIX MONTHS for elective surgery such as hip replacement.

That is even with the 15% sales tax and the MINIMUM of 35% income tax. The max is about 60%
 
manny78 said:


Yes but nothing like those ghettoas you mentionned. In fact our "ghettos" in Montreal (Pointe St-Charles, NDG, Hochelaga....) are pretty safe. Probably cause there's not a majority of black people there, but rather a mix of everything.
Plus they speak a second language:D
 
HMO's are a waste of time. they do nothing but hurt the patient in the long run. i say abolish them.
 
2Thick said:


Health care sucks ASS up here. People have to wait SIX MONTHS for elective surgery such as hip replacement.

That is even with the 15% sales tax and the MINIMUM of 35% income tax. The max is about 60%

werent you the one arguing FOR socialized medicine in oregon?
 
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