Opinions on this cycle

[MassMadeEasy]

A friend asked me to set up a cycle for him. He is 27 175, 5'10" at around 13%BF. Never done a cycle. Has been lifting for about two years now. I told him that first and foremost is his diet and that he needs to learn how to eat like a bodybuilder first and then add the gear. He has a hard time gaining weight and wants to add around 10-15 lbs. of solid muscle. I was thinking:

week 1-10 300mg Deca
week 1-10 200mg Test Cyp.
week 1-3 50mg Dbol ED
week 12-15 clomid

What do you guys think? Do you think using Test and Dbol together in the first cycle is too much?

-Mass-

 

[Willyumyum]

I would bump the test to 500 a week and maybe the deca to 400, other than that it looks good....

YUM

 

[MassMadeEasy]

Thanks for the advice YUM. Will keep you guys posted on what he uses and results. Also if you guys had a choice between Tornell Test Enan. and Ttokkyo Test Cyp. which would you choose. I understad the diferences between the the two Tests just wondering about brand.

-Mass-

 

[guards]

-drop the clomid to 30 mg ed
-bump the cyp to 300
-Clomid starts in week 13 not 12

 

[MassMadeEasy]

As always Guards thanks for the advice. I was thinking two weeks before clomid starts, just did not come out that way typing it. And I am assuming that you were talking about droping the Dbol to 30mg ED, just did not come out that way while typing it. LOL. What is your opinion on the difference between the two brands, if any? Thanks again bro.

-Mass-

 

[SofaGeorge]

I would bump the test to 500 a week and maybe the deca to 400, other than that it looks good....

YUM

Ditto! You also need to get an anti-estrogen. Liquidex is the best I've found.

 

[SwitchedOn]

Guards do you mean drop the clomid to 30mg/day or the Dbol? I think it looks good except like the others I'd up the test to 400-500mg/week and start clomid therapy week 13. Funny I got flamed to hell for recommending something similar for a first cycle a few weeks ago. Oh well.
BTW don't forget the nolvadex, even if you have arimidex or liquidex, which you should have too.

 

[guards]

I would go with the test cypionate.....ttokyo has never steared me wrong.

 

[kingc_79]

yum sumed it up for ya and yea go wit ttokyo

 

[serge]

test, 500mg/week, dboll for at least 4 weeks although i would run it throughout, deca is ok at 300 although 400mg/week would be better.

 

[SofaGeorge]

test, 500mg/week, dboll for at least 4 weeks although i would run it throughout, deca is ok at 300 although 400mg/week would be better.

Serge, you can easily run the d-bol for 8 weeks. I am doing a deca 400mg/ test 1200mg/ d-bol 50mg cycle now... and I will be running the d-bol for 8 weeks.

D-bol doesn't hurt you if you go longer than 8 weeks... it just seems to down regulate the receptor sites so that after week 7-8 you aren't getting the full effect anymore.

 

[MassMadeEasy]

Thanks for all the replies. Like I said this will be this guys first cycle and has expressed to me more than anything that he wants minimal sides. I asked him if water gain was OK and he said yes. He is also a poor boy and wants to keep this first endevour simple and cheap. So cost is a big factor for him. He also mentioned today that he has a trip to Vegas coming this spring and wants to be "big but have good abs". Right now he is pretty skinny but I think he has great potential. Small joints, wide shoulders, narrow hips and long muscle bellies.

OK here is the updated version:

week 1-10 400mg Test Cyp
week 1-10 300mg Deca
week 1-5 30mg ED Dbol
week 13-15 clomid
Nolvadex on hand

With this cycle he is already over his budget by $100. Is is possible to get by without Liquidex/Arimidex in this cycle, because that ups the cost FAST? He is a good friend and this is his first cycle so I don't want him to get screwed up because he does not spend the dough. Because of what he told me today about being big but having abs I would suggest using Liquidex and running the Dbol through week 8 at least, but its not my cash. Should I start from scratch or tell him that if he wants to play with the big boys he needs to ante up?

-Mass-

 

[Kid Blast]

Hey Mass,

I think you gotta tell him that it's gonna take some money to do it right. If he doesn't have the money, he should wait until he can get everything he needs for a full, quality cycle. (On the other hand, some of those guys in the 70's did okay on dbol and test only.) I just think you gotta build the best cycle you can, even if you have to save up. After all, if you want a Ferrarri body, you're not gonna shop for it at the Yugo lot.

 

[Bill W]

You might not need arimidex on that cycle, but I would be prepared just in case.

 

[Triple J]

Being his first cycle, he could get by on much lower dosages. Be real, guys. That way he could afford some nolvadex. And cut 4 weeks off the cycle so it is 6 weeks. Actually this makes an 8 week cycle since the injectables will be in your system the extra two weeks after the last shot. Start the clomid in week 9.

I would run test 400 wk 2shots
deca 100 wk 1shot
dbol 20mg day first 4 weeks, then taper to 15, 10, 5
nolva ed, arimdex would be better EOD until taper off w. Clomid
clomid like you had it, only weeks 9-11

Of course he'll train with max intensity like he has never trained before, so if he reaches beyond 8 weeks it is burn-out time, baby. He'll want a rest after the eight weeks.

Just my 2 cents - JJJ

 

[MassMadeEasy]

Good advice Triple J, will crunch numbers on that one as well. I also agree that the dosages would be adequate if lowered. Thanks.

-Mass-

 

[Chuck T]

My 1st cycle was Sus 500 w/out liquidex....big mistake...never got gyno but damn it all to hell if I didnt get some big estrogen related fat deposits on my stomach and lower back So I would suggest that if your friend wants abs, he should use the liquidex/arimidex. If you have to, drop something out like the deca and use that money to get the anti estro an maybe some more dbol to run that londer if the money is there...Just my 2cc's

 

[SwitchedOn]

If it's your first cycle then why not go longer than 6 weeks? 6 weeks isn't going to give your friend the gains he can receive on an 8-10 week cycle, which is the norm. Using long lasting (and acting) gear like cyp and deca he will barely start to feel the effects until a few weeks before his last poke. Sofa are you shitting me? It's the guy's first cycle, not his 10th. DO NOT run 50mg of Dbol for 8 weeks, that's not only ridiculous but almost useless, especially on a first. I'd say 4-5 weeks max, and that's pushing it for your first cycle, depending on the length. If it's not absolutely imperative that he starts this cycle right away(which it never is) then tell him to wait, put away some more money and piece his cycle together gradually. The juice isn't going anywhere and it's just good practice to have EVERYTHING before you start a cycle. First supps he should be buying shouldn't even be AAS, rather nolvadex, arimidex/liquidex, clomid, proviron, and such. Those are essential for any cycle. Just my .02

 

[MassMadeEasy]

Thanks Switched, I agree that the cycle should be around 10 weeks and again that lower dosages will be OK. With his body weight and this being his first cycle 300mg of Deca a week for 10 weeks should be plenty. I think I will tell him to stick to 5 weeks of 30mg Dbol ED. Still deciding on the dosage of the Cyp between 200-400mg for week 1-10. Clomid post as always and will tell him that he needs wait until he get enough money to buy Liquidex/Arimidex to run from week 1-15. A little extra time may change his mind or lite him on fire in the gym. I know for me personally once an order is placed, that is when the cycle begins, and it kicks in the day it arives.

-Mass-