Re: There´s a flaw
gainerxxl said:
@punschkrapfen:
Yes, there´s definitely a major flaw in the study you presented: None of the male subjects did any weight training, they did not restrict caloric intake, they did not take a specific A2 Agonist like Yohimbine, nor did they take any fatburners. Major flaw!
@all: I´m new here, in a few upcoming post i will intrdoduce
myself, post my cycle and ask some questions, since the
knowledge on this board has just kept amazin me! I´m from Germany so some of my english might seem a bit strange to you, but I think you will be able to tolerate this!
greetz, gainerxxl
hast du so einen ähnlichen Nick auf dem bbszene-board? gainer war hier wohl schon vergeben, da tummeln sich doch ein paar mehr Leute als in den kleinen D-Boards
ok, so they didn't work out. But this also is true for this recent study:
Eur J Endocrinol 2002 Apr;146(4):505-11 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Testosterone substitution of hypogonadal men prevents the age-dependent increases in body mass index, body fat and leptin seen in healthy ageing men: results of a cross-sectional study.
Rolf C, von Eckardstein S, Koken U, Nieschlag E.
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University, Domagkstrasse 11, D-48129 Munster, Germany.
INTRODUCTION: In healthy men, body weight and total fat content increase with advancing age, while serum testosterone levels decrease. In order to elucidate whether a causal relationship between these phenomena exists, we investigated the influence of testosterone or human chorionic gonadotrophin substitution on body mass index (BMI), total fat mass and serum leptin in testosterone-treated and untreated hypogonadal patients in comparison with ageing eugonadal men. METHODS: In a cross-sectional study, the inter-relationships of body weight, total fat mass, serum sex hormones and leptin were analysed in untreated hypogonadal men (n=24; age 19-65 years), treated hypogonadal men (n=61; age 20-67 years) and healthy eugonadal men (n=60; age 24-78 years). Total fat mass was assessed by bioimpedance measurement. Univariate and multiple linear regression analysis was used to detect possible differences. RESULTS: In eugonadal men, serum testosterone levels decreased with advancing age (correlation coefficients: r=-0.71; P<0.0001), while BMI (r=0.39; P=0.002), total fat content (r=0.51; P<0.0001) and leptin (r=0.48; P<0.0001) increased significantly. In untreated hypogonadal patients, an increase in BMI (r=0.50; P=0.013) and total fat mass (r=0.41; P=0.044) was also observed with advancing age. However,
in substituted hypogonadal patients, no age-dependent change in BMI (r=0.067; P=0.606), body fat content (r=-0.083; P=0.522), serum testosterone (r=-0,071; P=0.59) or serum leptin (r=-0.23; P=0.176) was found. CONCLUSION: Since testosterone-substituted older hypogonadal men show BMI and fat mass similar to those of younger eugonadal men and since non-treated hypogonadal men are similar to normal ageing men, testosterone appears to be an important factor contributing to these changes. Thus ageing men should benefit from testosterone substitution as far as body composition is concerned.
now, T levels to directly contribute to body composition, regardless if ppl work out or not, use fatburners or not or diet.
Maybe we could conclude that estrogen suppression does only work if the subjects is also on a diet (and does work out, duh
) and does additional things to boost fat mobilization (CKD
)
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