On my way to To great things

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

With the help of all you guys i decided to take
sust 1-10 500mg week
winny ed 50mg week 3-10
arimidex ed .25 mg
now for the final thing
do you fellas think i should add deca 300mgs weeks 1-10 to my cycle or should i leave it as is.. It is my first cycle but i do want to get the best results possible.
i dont want that water bloat looks so should i take more arimidex
i have a good deit and weight training program
and if anyone can give me there opinon i will be off to a better body

 

[Bulldog_10]

IMO, forget deca (I'm not a big fan) and go with EQ. Sorry TX

Run it at 400mg/wk (at least) and you should see some good gains, without the bloat that deca will give you. Also, because it doesn't aromitize as much, there is less chance for gyno.

And I've never heard of EQ-dick! LOL!

B-10

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, when you hit the winny, that'll be close to a gram/week. That's plenty for your first time.

However, you could half the test to 250mg and throw in the deca. I would think you would get more mass outta that than test with winny.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Ok, just read bulldog's response. Eq is fine, and he's right, it won't cause any 'hydraulic' problems. However, if you do run eq, I HIGHLY recommend going to 600mg/week. And this is knowing it's your first cycle.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I'm retarded...I should have asked this right away: What are your goals?

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

I dont want to start a big deca vs eq jam but doesnt deca give u more mass??
wouldny the arimidex and the winny take care of the bloat
DO you really think cutting some of the test and adding deca would be a smarter move????

 

[TxLonghorn]

I'm retarded...I should have asked this right away: What are your goals?

I would be willing to guess the same as everybody else's first time: to gain 30 pounds of lean muscle, no bloat, and to shed so much fat that you end up at 5% bf.

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

NO NO
Im not looking for a miracle i want about 20 pounds of muscle with little bloat or so and shed some fat
i read people on this board said it is possible
i mean i think i got a good diet and program for it
Is this too much to ask for ???

 

[Bulldog_10]

I would be willing to guess the same as everybody else's first time: to gain 30 pounds of lean muscle, no bloat, and to shed so much fat that you end up at 5% bf.

We're all aiming for the sky!

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

DO you think my goals are to much to ask for????
should i think smaller?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, you could always keep the test at 500mg/week. My point was that as a first timer, there really isn't a reason to take gobs of gear. A gram, or a hair under is plenty.

Winny will help with some of the deca bloat, and arimidex will help with some of the test bloat. However, different people are more susceptible to bloating than others, so to say it will eliminate it is a bit premature. It may or may not. But it will help, that's for sure.

I don't know if cutting the test and adding the deca is a smarter move. I am just telling you what I would do. I am not a huge fan of test. In my opinion, if you want something like test, go with tren. It's much more gooder than test, lol.

Here is an example. There are plenty of guys on here that have done winny only cycles at a dose of 50mg/day for 8 weeks and gained 15 pounds, had no sides like bloating or anything, and it was all lean mass. And they kept it all. These guys are first time gear users. Now, I'm not saying to just go with winny, my point is that you don't need a ton of shit to grow your first time out.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Those are very common goals, and also attainable. But it ain't gonna come easy!

 

[TxLonghorn]

DO you think my goals are to much to ask for????
should i think smaller?

No, I think those are reachable goals. I hope my other post was taken in jest, because it was written with hyperbole.

Anyways, as long as you are not counting calories for the first 6-8 weeks, you should be fine. I really would be more focused on gaining weight at the beginning than at the end. Maybe at the end not really dieting, but just maintaining your weight. Otherwise, mixing a cutting cycle and mass cycle leads to mediocre results.

I think with any cycle discussed here you should be able to attain your goals.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Well, you could always keep the test at 500mg/week. My point was that as a first timer, there really isn't a reason to take gobs of gear. A gram, or a hair under is plenty.

Winny will help with some of the deca bloat, and arimidex will help with some of the test bloat. However, different people are more susceptible to bloating than others, so to say it will eliminate it is a bit premature. It may or may not. But it will help, that's for sure.

I don't know if cutting the test and adding the deca is a smarter move. I am just telling you what I would do. I am not a huge fan of test. In my opinion, if you want something like test, go with tren. It's much more gooder than test, lol.

Here is an example. There are plenty of guys on here that have done winny only cycles at a dose of 50mg/day for 8 weeks and gained 15 pounds, had no sides like bloating or anything, and it was all lean mass. And they kept it all. These guys are first time gear users. Now, I'm not saying to just go with winny, my point is that you don't need a ton of shit to grow your first time out.

That said, you also want to take advantage of clean receptors. Many people look back on their first cycle as a waste if they use small amounts of gear. It's a tough choice whether to go all out your first time around or play it safe.

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

I was going to do some tren
but alot of fellas said that tren isnt for first timers
so TX i dont want to be a push over but do u think it is possibile to lay out a rough sketch of a cycle for me
i got
plenty of sust
winny
arimidex clomid.....
i got the tren ( not cooked yet) and i could get the deca
Please help a bro out
your the best
want about 20 pds not too much bloat

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

Thanxs for the help guys
You people did clear alot of things up

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I think tren is fine for first timers except for one thing: the frequency of injects is insane.

If I had done fina for my first time, I would have stopped after day 3, lol. Every day or every other day gets old damn quick. If you know for a fact that does not bother you, then bombs away. For your first time though, I would limit it to 6 weeks.

Anyways, I think any of the above cycles would be fine, really.

Maybe even cut down the length to 8 weeks and run one of these options.

Option 1:
Weeks1-8 test at 500mg/week
Weeks1-8 winny at 50mg/day
Clomid at week 11 and the arimidex like you have it.

or
Option 2: the Bulldog_10
Weeks1-8 test at 500mg/week
Weeks1-8 eq at 600mg/week
Weeks5-8 winny at 50mg/week

or
Option 3:
Weeks1-8 test at 250mg/week
Weeks1-8 deca at 300mg/week
Weeks1-8 winny at 50mg/day

I feel that any of these will get you where you want to go. It's up to you to decide which gear and at what doses. You know your body better than we do, so take that into consideration and don't be afraid to either stop taking whatever you think is giving you bad sides, or even to up your doses if you aren't getting the results you want.

This isn't some exact science, there is artistry involved. And every cycle is it's own piece of work. Remember, we always put our own bias into our advice. I do not feel high doses of test are that beneficial, and I also feel 400mg/eq is worthless, hence my suggestions. Always take those into account when considering anybody's advice.

Good luck on achieving your goals.

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

Thanxs for the info
SOrry to be a pain in the ass
WEll ill keep u post on my results
i gotta sleep on which cycle im gonna try
but thanxs again

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

sust 1-10 500mg week
winny ed 50mg week 3-10
arimidex ed .25 mg

this looks good

if you add eq use at least 600mg or more a week

if you use deca use it at 450mg a week

 

[JonnY BooM BoTz]

If i were to add tren
what weeks should i use it for

i can use the tren to kick start my cycle
rigth???