On kid that got ass beat in CA

[chesty]

You should listen to the written report filed by the sheriff's dept. It was filed prior to the video being released or viewed. It gives a completely different look on it because it details the events prior to what is shown.

Also, the punk who video taped it has a subpoena out to hand over the original video tape. But he is afraid the cops are gonna take turns on his ass in jail. But he is not going to jail. He said he was afraid for his life.

Ever wonder why he only gave out a copy of the original? It is because he most likely video taped the whole thing and then edited out what didn't support the view of a new rodney king beatin.

So, when they do get the original if they do, they will find a) that the tape prior to the released scenes was erased, or b)that the scenes prior to the arrest will show the kid and his father attacking the cops.

Hence, either way they will be vindicated and those little punk asses will not get a dime and dipshit with the video camera will go to jail as well.

 

[The Shadow]

IMO - doesn't matter - once the cuffs are on him - that level of violence was not warranted.

Period.

 

[GinNJuice]

You should listen to the written report filed by the sheriff's dept. It was filed prior to the video being released or viewed. It gives a completely different look on it because it details the events prior to what is shown.

It can obviously be assumed because the tape released to the media was not the whole story, I agree. But, of course the cops side of the story would be different than the victim/perp

Also, the punk who video taped it has a subpoena out to hand over the original video tape. But he is afraid the cops are gonna take turns on his ass in jail. But he is not going to jail. He said he was afraid for his life..

I would be too, if I had a tape that indicated cops doing something wrong.

Ever wonder why he only gave out a copy of the original? It is because he most likely video taped the whole thing and then edited out what didn't support the view of a new rodney king beatin...

That could be one conclusion,..... or maybe he had previously taped something all together different that could be personal (ie.. private). Maybe he had taped sex between his girl and himself and it was on the tape.... who knows?

So, when they do get the original if they do, they will find a) that the tape prior to the released scenes was erased, or b)that the scenes prior to the arrest will show the kid and his father attacking the cops....

Most likely it is closer to (B), but it doesn't matter, when you are a law officer, you can NOT beat someone after you have them under control..... its called escalation of force (or in this case, de-escalation)

Hence, either way they will be vindicated and those little punk asses will not get a dime and dipshit with the video camera will go to jail as well.

again, possible, if your theory holds true,..... but unlikely. The cop probably got hit by the perps, but he can not beat on them after they are already restrained

 

[decem]

like corn said man.. the cuffs were on and dude walked around and jacked in him in the grill.. that's uncalled for.. (not saying i wouldn't do it too if he had just fought back at me two minutes prior.. BUT.. i would have been much smarter and done so in the privacy of a room with no windows and only my partner present).

 

[supertech69]

I say beat the little fucking punk again! Kids are way out of control & need their ass' kicked! Maybe next time he'll think twice about assualting a cop or being disrespectful.

 

[manny78]

Re: Re: On kid that got ass beat in CA

It can obviously be assumed because the tape released to the media was not the whole story, I agree. But, of course the cops side of the story would be different than the victim/perp

if I had to chose between the version of some kid wearing a stupid chain and of a bunch of angry cops, guess which one ...... lol

 

[The Shadow]

Manny - you're a cop.


Beating while the cuffs are on is a touch over the line, correct?

 

[the nature boy]

You should listen to the written report filed by the sheriff's dept. It was filed prior to the video being released or viewed. It gives a completely different look on it because it details the events prior to what is shown.

Also, the punk who video taped it has a subpoena out to hand over the original video tape. But he is afraid the cops are gonna take turns on his ass in jail. But he is not going to jail. He said he was afraid for his life.

Ever wonder why he only gave out a copy of the original? It is because he most likely video taped the whole thing and then edited out what didn't support the view of a new rodney king beatin.

So, when they do get the original if they do, they will find a) that the tape prior to the released scenes was erased, or b)that the scenes prior to the arrest will show the kid and his father attacking the cops.

Hence, either way they will be vindicated and those little punk asses will not get a dime and dipshit with the video camera will go to jail as well.

lmao, man you are messed up.

 

[casavant]

IMO - doesn't matter - once the cuffs are on him - that level of violence was not warranted.

Period.

I agree- he crossed the line when he hit the guy. I understand what it's like to be used to confrontation and dealing with punks and get a little too fired up in a situation, but the fact that I can understand somewhat from a human standpoint doesn't make what he did right. Especially the punching while the kid was cuffed.

 

[AAP]

Well since he was mostly only visible from the waist up in the video, I would have just walked behind him and kicked him in the balls. No one would have spotted that.

 

[manny78]

Manny - you're a cop.


Beating while the cuffs are on is a touch over the line, correct?

was the dude hurt ? Is he now incapable of working ? moving ? NO. I'm pretty sure that kid did something and he just got what he deserved. Damn people here talk like if the moron was in the coma.......

 

[havoc]

You should listen to the written report filed by the sheriff's dept. It was filed prior to the video being released or viewed. It gives a completely different look on it because it details the events prior to what is shown.

Also, the punk who video taped it has a subpoena out to hand over the original video tape. But he is afraid the cops are gonna take turns on his ass in jail. But he is not going to jail. He said he was afraid for his life.

Ever wonder why he only gave out a copy of the original? It is because he most likely video taped the whole thing and then edited out what didn't support the view of a new rodney king beatin.

So, when they do get the original if they do, they will find a) that the tape prior to the released scenes was erased, or b)that the scenes prior to the arrest will show the kid and his father attacking the cops.

Hence, either way they will be vindicated and those little punk asses will not get a dime and dipshit with the video camera will go to jail as well.

So this is your moment of glory, eh punk? You hop, skip, and jump onto your mini-trampoline and do a double flip with a half twist impaling yourself ass-first onto a coat rack and hang there grinning like gay Jesus, and now you want some applause, right? Yeah, good job, you're a fucking wizard Chesty! Let me tell you something about yourself, gimp: you wouldnt know the truth or proper conduct if it crawled up your colonic graveyard of glow in the dark condoms, pop bottles and small mammalian skeletons. You truly define "dipshit". Your replies and stance on this entire fiasco is as see through as your glass slippers. You just blabber on like a bubblegum popping schoolgirl, hoping that the miasma of your rectally belched drivel will actually overwhelm some readers who have no functioning brain cells. You're a disgrace to human thought. You have obstacles to overcome here, Schmuck, not unlike the swimsuits little boys wear at the summer camps you sneak into wearing a Smokey the Bear costume.. Ok, now prattle on, and this time wind up your spaghetti arm real good before you deliver yet another Socratic like post, only thing you would get from me is a make shift tracheotomy with the straw from my free slurpee. Go practice your flash cards.

 

[casavant]

Havoc

LOL Good to see you back.

 

[AAP]

Ha! He said glass slippers.

 

[chesty]

Yeah havoc as usual ever so eloquant with words. But you know as for the being cuffed bit, we had a deputy who got punched in the mouth by an adult who was handcuffed and had slipped them.

I also fought a drunk who was handcuffed behind his back with rigid handcuffs after rolling his car that had to be subdued. Or he was going to break free of our hold on him and run across the freeway and get himself killed.

You all are just as punk ass as that kid, with no hope of rehabilitation.

The last thing this country needs is some punk bitch causing another riot like king 10 years ago.

We are at war and don't need this shit from some little tard punk ass.

 

[The Shadow]

was the dude hurt ? Is he now incapable of working ? moving ? NO. I'm pretty sure that kid did something and he just got what he deserved. Damn people here talk like if the moron was in the coma.......

I'm quite suprised to hear you say that.......

BEATING him after the cuffs are on and is being restrained by other cops is simply ludicrious and a direct violation of civil rights...

 

[casavant]

I'm quite suprised to hear you say that.......

BEATING him after the cuffs are on and is being restrained by other cops is simply ludicrious and a direct violation of civil rights...

Agreed. You have to draw the line somewhere. Giving the green light to this officer's actions would set a pretty nasty precedent. How many of you would like to see your little brother get treated like that, cuffed up and all?

 

[chesty]

No one has said give him a greenlight. What I have said is to wait until the evidence, all of it is in.

We weren't there, and I know from experience that people in handcuff's can be as deadly as someone not. And there is no reason for the videographer to be afraid unless he is hiding something.

No matter the situation, if you can articulate the reasons as reasonable before a body of your peers then you can escalate the force all the way to the top and without starting at the lowest level on the force continuum.

 

[supertech69]

If my brother was a street thug criminal like is the case in most situations like this, I'd say he deserved it. I truly don't think it is right but, I refuse to say the criminal is a victim.

 

[the nature boy]

it seems as if some people think the cop is innocent before proven guilty and not vice versa.

also, I fail to see how a punch is going to subdue a DANGEROUS 16 YEAR OLD KID IN HANDCUFFS. I seem to recall the kid was pretty small too.

3rd, as much of a shithead rodney king is, he didn't start the LA riots.

 

[manny78]

I'm quite suprised to hear you say that.......

BEATING him after the cuffs are on and is being restrained by other cops is simply ludicrious and a direct violation of civil rights...

would you mind if I punch the guy who had just rapped your girl even if he's handcuffed ?

 

[dballer]

IMO - doesn't matter - once the cuffs are on him - that level of violence was not warranted.

Period.

AMEN!!!

another thing, that cop will go to jail. When he does.. he is in for a ride. If slamming that little kid around looked bad.. what he is in for will be like nothing any of you could ever imagine. If you have never been to prison.. not jail.. but prison, you cannot imagine what kind of animals are there. I was in county lock-up for drinking during the start of the LA Riots.. and I was scared shitless. I could not imagine being a cop.. who beat a black kid and going in there.

If I was that cop.. I would run like hell. I would be in Mexico.

 

[HumorMe]

What's up DB? Good to see you!

 

[the nature boy]

would you mind if I punch the guy who had just rapped your girl even if he's handcuffed ?

first of all that diddn't happen.

second of all, going along with what you said above, what happens if this guy that you caught for raping cornholios girl WASN'T THE RIGHT PERSON!?!?! it happens you know.

some of you guys would love to live in a place like china or something, where the police are never wrong and the citizen is guiltly all the time.

 

[casavant]

would you mind if I punch the guy who had just rapped your girl even if he's handcuffed ?

I think that most of us would agree that we would feel murderous if we were in that situation. That's just human. But if we're going to let everyone act on their natural impulses, why have cops at all? Or a justice system or anything else?

What point are you trying to make here? To tell you the truth, if someone raped my daughter I might take it into my own hands and do a lot worse than hit the guy, but I sure wouldn't expect the justice system to condone it. You just can't do that and expect any kind of law or order to prevail.

 

[The Shadow]

would you mind if I punch the guy who had just rapped your girl even if he's handcuffed ?

Manny - my likes or wants are irrelevant.

I wasn't the "cop's sister" so that argument doesnt hold up.


Judge, jury and executioner - the police are NONE of these...

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You should listen to the written report filed by the sheriff's dept. It was filed prior to the video being released or viewed. It gives a completely different look on it because it details the events prior to what is shown.

You are a typical shithead cop. Shit head. Pig. I look forward to the report. But a picture is worth 1000 words.

Also, the punk who video taped it has a subpoena out to hand over the original video tape. But he is afraid the cops are gonna take turns on his ass in jail. But he is not going to jail. He said he was afraid for his life.

Good English. Learn that at the academy?

He'll turn the tape over. He can mail it in or send it by courier. Or he could burn the tape and just answer the subpoena and say he does not have it. Subpoenas aren't magic.

Ever wonder why he only gave out a copy of the original? It is because he most likely video taped the whole thing and then edited out what didn't support the view of a new rodney king beatin.

Chesty, even if the kid was Bruce Lee, when he was in handcuffs, the show was over. There were 5 cops behind him, and he was face down in cuffs. Some fat pig like you tok a shot at him.

He got slammed hard on the hood. Not the end of the world, although he was already subdued. The punch was typical "I'm a stupid fat pig look at me behavior".

So, when they do get the original if they do, they will find a) that the tape prior to the released scenes was erased, or b)that the scenes prior to the arrest will show the kid and his father attacking the cops.

Hence, either way they will be vindicated and those little punk asses will not get a dime and dipshit with the video camera will go to jail as well.

A. Did you get these thoughts in a cracker jack box? if the tape is erased, the cops are fucked. Juries don't get to make inferences, only to view the evidence present.


B. Good luck with that. The cop's defense attorney will have to convince a jury that it is OK to hit a prisoner who has clearly stopped resisting. Not sure where that is in the penal code.


Even an inexperienced attorney for the kid (in his civil suit) could win a big settlement. Get the jury as black as possible, and remind them over and over that the guys that beat Rodney were acquitted.


This is ridiculous. You, Chesty, are a pig.

 

[manny78]

funny thing is: the same people who wanted to nuke Afghanistan and kill any arabs in the world after the 9-11 now are talking about civil rights and why we shouldn't punch some jerks......lol

BTW you guys are making a big deal with that. But go make a search on Google with "Barnabé affair" and you'll see what is really a crime committed by a bunch of moronic cops..... that guy died a year later in his coma.....

 

[manny78]

Damn Matt, I gotta agree with you 100% It's scary to think that these (Chesty/Manny) are the types of fuck up we have patrolling our streets.

dunno about Chesty but I dont do patrols. I work plain clothes.

 

[casavant]

funny thing is: the same people who wanted to nuke Afghanistan and kill any arabs in the world after the 9-11 now are talking about civil rights and why we shouldn't punch some jerks......lol

I never said any such thing. Go do a search if you like.

 

[manny78]

I never said any such thing. Go do a search if you like.

Did I mentionned your name ?

 

[The Ranger]

I will say this, the biggest pussy in this whole ordeal is the FATHER!!! Had that been my son/step-son that got slammed and then punched while he was helpless...

It would've taken more than 5 police officers and another roll of tape....

Ranger

 

[The Shadow]

BTW you guys are making a big deal with that. But go make a search on Google with "Barnabé affair" and you'll see what is really a crime committed by a bunch of moronic cops..... that guy died a year later in his coma.....

Manny - the heinousness of the attack is not relevant...

that is the same analogy as saying...."well....he only stole a thousand dollars instead of 20,000....."

 

[casavant]

I don't see how anything the kid did prior to being handcuffed could justify getting punched when he was bent over the hood. What are you trying to say, that whatever the kid did made the cop mad enough that he was justified in laying one on the guy's face? Punishment is supposed to be decided by the courts last I checked. Any force beyond what is needed to get the guy in cuffs and under control is totally unwarranted.

 

[manny78]

Manny - the heinousness of the attack is not relevant...

that is the same analogy as saying...."well....he only stole a thousand dollars instead of 20,000....."

40 years ago the same thing would have happened and no one would cry about it. Damn I still remember once in Tampa Bay 15 years ago how the cops would beat the shit out of a guy who was peeing in front of a restaurant and no one was complaining but it was rather normal. IMO the cops probably did an error: they should have waited at the Police station and used the good Ol' Phone book technique.

 

[manny78]

I don't see how anything the kid did prior to being handcuffed could justify getting punched when he was bent over the hood. What are you trying to say, that whatever the kid did made the cop mad enough that he was justified in laying one on the guy's face? Punishment is supposed to be decided by the courts last I checked. Any force beyond what is needed to get the guy in cuffs and under control is totally unwarranted.

Casavant: you're doorman right ? Don't tell me you never did something like that. Come on be honest.

 

[the nature boy]

they should have waited at the Police station and used the good Ol' Phone book technique.

that's an excellent example of the stereotypical meathead cop mentality. let's beat people up because we can get away with it.

 

[chesty]

I surprised at most of you. Almost all of you are parading behind a double standard. I did hear the report, and I read the transcript of the interview between the kid and da.

I am now quite sure that elite has become a resting place for the liberals. It looks like RyanH has succeeded in converting you all into a group of two faced liberals.

On one hand most of you are for destroying the enemy at all costs, nuke 'em, bomb 'em into hell, etc. take no prisoners, kill their families and on... Yet none of you are willing to even consider that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But here you are taking the stance of guilty till proven innocent quite the turn around.

As for Matt, did you have a bad hair day?

Yes, I am a pig, I am a shithead, and I am a cop, and I am proud of it. I am also a Marine and proud of that as well. I will not resort to insults which I even thought matt was above, guess not.

enjoy.

I have succeeded in agitating the masses. And yes, king was indirectly responsible for the la riots. Well, actually it was the black community. Oooops, the African-American community.

Bring it on is this really the best that you can do?

 

[casavant]

you guys

I took this to mean anyone in the above posts who was presenting an opposing viewpoint. If that's not what you meant, than my bad.

No animosity here, man. Just having a discussion.

 

[chesty]

What I am saying is that taken out of context the video can be misleading. You have no idea what the kid was doing. For one thing if someone does not want to be handcuffed or restrained he cannot be unless overwhelming odds are presented.

My supervisor was killed by a black guy, who had an iq of 47 and the strength of 5 men and was on 2grams of thorazin (sp) a day.

How do you know the kid wasn't on pcp like king was? They didn't.

And yes, if I whacked you upside the skull in a fight and then I was restrained you more than likely would take a swing at me. I didn't say this was right.

Nor did I say the cop was justified in smacking him in the head, but till all facts are presented, he is innocent till proven guilty. And if that is the case he will be punished for it.

 

[The Shadow]

I am now quite sure that elite has become a resting place for the liberals. It looks like RyanH has succeeded in converting you all into a group of two faced liberals.

...not at all - police should be held to at least the same standards as every other American.


If a group of non-policemen had a kid bound in restraints and was smacking him around - we wouldn't EVEN be having this fucking discussion.

The fact that "cops" are invoolved shouldn't make a Fat Bastard's bit of difference.

Chesty - in light of the definition of "use justifiable force" - why don't you re-explain your postion???

Advice - maybe you should look up the exact definition b-4 you continue.

 

[manny78]

Well ain't that really a fuckin brave thing to do, beat his ass at the station. Well how about if the kid took the punk ass cops too his 'hood at 3 in the morning and let the niggas hadle some business, does that sound fair?

yupe but in the end we'll always have the last word

 

[the nature boy]

Yet none of you are willing to even consider that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But here you are taking the stance of guilty till proven innocent quite the turn around.
I have succeeded in agitating the masses. And yes, king was indirectly responsible for the la riots. Well, actually it was the black community. Oooops, the African-American community.

so the kid that you disparage is innocent before proven guilty too right? most people are saying the cop went too far, most people are NOT saying the cop needs to get his ass beat or go to prison. you don't know the entire story yet you say it's okay for that kid to get his ass beat. how fucked up is that?

 

[the nature boy]

oh yeah, and freedom and protection from the state (ie the police) is more of a conservative thought than liberal.

 

[big4life]

What ever happened prior to the kid being cuffed and put on the trunk is open for debate, but what isn't, is the cop striking him while he was cuffed and on the trunk. That was totally uncalled for and out of line.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Yes, I am a pig, I am a shithead, and I am a cop

 

[dballer]

yupe but in the end we'll always have the last word

Oh yeah.. tell that to the cops who lost their lives in the line of duty because some strong armed asswipe killed some kids brother.

You forget that cops have homes and families. What that cop did put all of the other cops lives as well as the lives of their families at risk.

and you sit here and applaude.

wait till one of that cops kids ends up with a 380 slug in his back. then tell me who had the last word.

being a cop means setting an example for the rest of the society. If you want the image of the police force to go back to what it was in the 50's it is up to you to do it. How do you expect ANYONE to respect someone like Jeremy Morse?

 

[casavant]

Casavant: you're doorman right ? Don't tell me you never did something like that. Come on be honest.

Yes, I have. Not where someone had their hands bound, but I'm not going to split hairs. I've used force that in retrospect I believed was somewhat excessive. I'd have to go back and review my posts on this post, but I think I said something about that earlier. I know how it is being a bouncer sometimes, so I can only imagine what it must be like to be a cop. Like I said earlier, I can understand from a human standpoint. But what you're saying is that the courts and the judicial system should turn their heads to this. That just can't be done. I'm sure the cop is kicking himself right now. Hell, he may have been kicking himself about the incident five minutes later after he cooled off, but those kinds of actions CANNOT go unanswered. I'm not saying the cop should go to jail, but I do believe that something has to be done. It will do as much for keeping the integrity and respect of the department intact as anything.

 

[manny78]

Oh yeah.. tell that to the cops who lost their lives in the line of duty because some strong armed asswipe killed some kids brother.

You forget that cops have homes and families. What that cop did put all of the other cops lives as well as the lives of their families at risk.

and you sit here and applaude.

wait till one of that cops kids ends up with a 380 slug in his back. then tell me who had the last word.

being a cop means setting an example for the rest of the society. If you want the image of the police force to go back to what it was in the 50's it is up to you to do it. How do you expect ANYONE to respect someone like Jeremy Morse?

What do you want pussies or cops ? Being a cop is a risky job just like being in the Army. It's part of the game and we accept that. Just liek our families.

 

[the nature boy]

lets face it, bouncers are not law enforcement, so they don't have to play by the same rules all the time.

In DC, a lot of the bouncers are off duty cops, and a lot of them look forward to beating the shit out of drunks because they have more legal leeway to do so.

 

[manny78]

Yes, I have. Not where someone had their hands bound, but I'm not going to split hairs. I've used force that in retrospect I believed was somewhat excessive. I'd have to go back and review my posts on this post, but I think I said something about that earlier. I know how it is being a bouncer sometimes, so I can only imagine what it must be like to be a cop. Like I said earlier, I can understand from a human standpoint. But what you're saying is that the courts and the judicial system should turn their heads to this. That just can't be done. I'm sure the cop is kicking himself right now. Hell, he may have been kicking himself about the incident five minutes later after he cooled off, but those kinds of actions CANNOT go unanswered. I'm not saying the cop should go to jail, but I do believe that something has to be done. It will do as much for keeping the integrity and respect of the department intact as anything.

As I said earlier. If the kid was now in the coma or had several injuries I wouldn't be here defending the cops, but damn did you see the images after ? Looked like nothing happened. Damn I guess his father would beat him that way years before....

 

[dballer]

Yet none of you are willing to even consider that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But here you are taking the stance of guilty till proven innocent quite the turn around.

Hey man... if this is the case.. why was the cop hittting the kid?

Is it now up to cops to be the judge and the jury as well?

It is not the job of the police to punish.. only enforce.

I am far from liberal.. more right wing extremist. but...... I have seen this shit first hand. I have been fucked with by cops when I was a kid/skateboarder.

If you can excuse this because we did not see the WHOLE story... can we excuse R. Kelly.. cause we did not hear the whole story??

The cop fucked up.. big time. He has no idea what that punch will not only cost him.. but the force, community and law enforcement all over the country.

 

[dballer]

What do you want pussies or cops ? Being a cop is a risky job just like being in the Army. It's part of the game and we accept that. Just liek our families.

Keep that additude when those animals are starting fires and beating down truck drivers. Then tell me if that punch was worth it.

Cops should have to take IQ tests before being shown a badge.

 

[the nature boy]

My supervisor was killed by a black guy, who had an iq of 47 and the strength of 5 men and was on 2grams of thorazin (sp) a day.

How do you know the kid wasn't on pcp like king was? They didn't.

it would seem that because a black man who was on drugs killed you boss that now all black men are on drugs and should be treated as such. Geez I hope colin Powell doens't get pulled over by you.

 

[chesty]

Okay as for justifiable force, if he can articulate the reasonableness of his use of force before a body of his peers, that is other cops then he has proven he did not go to far. However, if he cannot then he did go to far.

Cops are held to a higher standard, we have been "trained" to handle these situations. So, things the ordinary citizen would get a way with a cop could not.

I know more about the use of force, the force continuum, than most here.

As for being cuffed that really may not make a difference. Like I said, we have had a deputy punched in the head by someone hand cuffed, I have fought with handcuffed indivdiuals that have quite effectively used their legs and feet to cause serious harm to individuals, and so on. Till you have been there, and done that, don't presume to preach to me about the use of force and the innocence of the masses. Of course now a lot of you will have been there and done that, go figure.

And yes, it does matter what happened prior to what was on the video tape, because it can either uphold the probable cause for the initial stop, and then get the kid and dad convicted if found guilty by a jury of their peers or show that there was no pc and that the stop was wholly unwarranted. It will also help to establish the state of mind of the suspects and that of the cops and the entire situation that led to this.

It will also prove whether or not the kid was justifiably defending himself or resisting arrest, etc.

You see, even the punk ass kid as I call him and his dad are innocent until proven guilty.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

This very thing is why know one wants to be a cop, they do right by the public they get crucified, they do wrong they are crucified, they get underpaid, overworked, treated like shit on a daily basis, etc, and even that doesn't stop them from going out every day, leaving their family unprotected to go and protect others to which there is no constitutional requirement to do so.

 

[casavant]

lets face it, bouncers are not law enforcement, so they don't have to play by the same rules all the time.

In DC, a lot of the bouncers are off duty cops, and a lot of them look forward to beating the shit out of drunks because they have more legal leeway to do so.

This is true also, but I have never just taken someone out and beaten the shit out of them.

 

[the nature boy]

How do you know the kid wasn't on pcp like king was? They didn't.

FYI rodney king wasn't on PCP, but that's an excuse cops like to use to rough people over. "He appeared to be on PCP your honor." I'm not defending King btw.


http://www-tech.mit.edu/V113/N14/king.14w.html

 

[manny78]

Keep that additude when those animals are starting fires and beating down truck drivers. Then tell me if that punch was worth it.

Cops should have to take IQ tests before being shown a badge.

1- You have the National Guard ? Call them and give them the order to open fire with 0.44 rubber balls just liek we did here against those punks at the Quebec conference last year.

2- they already have to take one.

 

[the nature boy]

This is true also, but I have never just taken someone out and beaten the shit out of them.

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and the thing is, once these guys get the crap beat out of them, the bouncers call the cops and throw em in jail!!

 

[dballer]

PCP is about as easy to come by as pots of gold at the end of rainbows.

 

[the nature boy]

As for being cuffed that really may not make a difference. Like I said, we have had a deputy punched in the head by someone hand cuffed, I have fought with handcuffed indivdiuals that have quite effectively used their legs and feet to cause serious harm to individuals, and so on. Till you have been there, and done that, don't presume to preach to me about the use of force and the innocence of the masses. Of course now a lot of you will have been there and done that, go figure.

chesty, since you're the cop, is punching someone in the face an effective way to restrain someone who is using their legs and feet as weapons? how is that supposed to restrain someone? tell me because I don't know.

 

[chesty]

No it does not mean all black guys are guilty, just because my sup. was killed.

As for judge and jury, yes cops actually are the judge,jury and executioner, do I say this lightly? No. But it is a fact, that in a split second we may have to decide whether or not someone lives or dies. We have the authority to take away your freedom, etc.

That is an awesome responsibility to have and not to be taken lightly.

Yes, the kid is innocnet till proven guilty.

How do you know the punch was really a hard punch? A soft punch? I know if I had punched someone, he would definitely be bruised.

 

[chesty]

Actually he was on pcp. They use the whole video tape even the parts not shown to the public and the entire situation as a training these days. I saw it in training.

 

[the nature boy]

How do you know the punch was really a hard punch? A soft punch? I know if I had punched someone, he would definitely be bruised.

I understand this. but hard or soft doesn't make it right, its the intent that is under scrutiny. what happens if the guy punches soft and somehow accitdently kills the kid becaues he hit him in the temple or someshit? It can and does happen. besides, when you're on an adrenaline rush who's going to punch softly? For all we know he didn't connect the way he wanted to, or maybe he did try to hit him softly, I don't know. I do know that the only time people hit softly if they're hitting friends or if they were sparring. And the incident in question isn't the case.

 

[the nature boy]

Actually he was on pcp. They use the whole video tape even the parts not shown to the public and the entire situation as a training these days. I saw it in training.

follow the linkd I posted. he tested negative.

 

[dballer]

1- You have the National Guard ? Call them and give them the order to open fire with 0.44 rubber balls just liek we did here against those punks at the Quebec conference last year.

2- they already have to take one.

you think that shit is worth it? some cops gets to beat on skinny little black kids.. and my store gets burned down.

 

[chesty]

It isn't meant as a restraint, just like a pressure point isn't a restraint, like the common peronial nerve in the thigh. I never said it was a restraint. When the fight is on, it is on. When your adrenaline kicks in it is an unbelievably powerful chemical. That is why I always find it better to have a partner that can pull you off and take you somewhere till your adrenaline wears off.

As for me I had an incident where we arrested an individual for dui. He was cool till we put the cuffs on. He stiffened, bucked and so forth, I then slammed him onto my trunk (whole upper body), and told him to calm down, that he was going to be okay and that he had done nothing yet serious. He continued to fight, and it took me and two other officers three times to get him in the car. (we never once hit him) Then he proceeded to bounce his head of the windows and the rear deck lights. When I went to pull him from the car to stop him from injuring himself or damaging the car, he tried to bite my leg, and almost did. I took him to the ground and then hog tied him for a better restraint. Afterwords, my partner told me I had rabbit punched him in the kidneys. I swore to him that I did not. He swore I did. I have no memory of ever doing that. Adrenaline is a might powerful drug.

Also, he attempted to bite five other detention deputies, had caused about 10,000 dollars or more in damage from his drunken rampage in his car and almost forgot, he was as white as they come.

 

[chesty]

Well I go by what was reported, I did see him remove the taiser leads twice from his body, I follow the link in a minute.

They tell us that when we strike somebody, to use all of our force on the first shot, because the fool filming you doesn't know you are using half strength, etc.

You hit the nail on the head, you have to prove criminal intent of the punch. Now, if they can do that, he will be found guilty. Unfortunately, even if they can't they will still crucify him.

 

[the nature boy]

when a guy gets wild like that how do you restrain him? do you guys shackle him like they do on cops, similar to a hog tieing? that seems like that would work especially if you put duct tape on his mouth.

as for rodney king on PCP, I guess I'll go by the court tests and media and you'll go by what you read in a report. however king was drunk, and quite possibly he has a high pain tolerance. I've met people with high pain thresholds and it's quite easy to see them hurt themselves and not really blink.

 

[chesty]

So the la times says the tests were negative. Big deal, when were the tests done? By whom? where are the actual results? Just because the jailor said he was happy does not indicate he was clean.

I have seen many a speed freak appear to be absolutely normal, then do a 180 and the fight was on. He pulled taiser leads out of his chest twice, you don't do that unless you are on something.

I don't know the life of pcp in your system but, like most of us here, we have used stuff to help a drug test or polygraph come up negative. How do we know he didn't do that?

But alas, the whole portion of the video tape prior to what was on tv was a fabrication, the cops lied about their suspicions of pcp and they just wanted to beat a black man who likes to dress in drag.

 

[the nature boy]

like I said, I go by what I read, you go by what you read. you can't change my mind, and I can't change yours. however, in this instance, who would have more to gain my lying, the courts and the media that reported the test results, or the police. lets see if you can be objective for once.

 

[chesty]

Yes, some people do have a high pain tolerance. They never did a bac, because they said it was too late to do one. And they sure as heck couldn't do a field sobriety.

You can use shackles to restrain, but that doesn't limit you from kicking since the chain is like 18-24 inches long, you can hog tie, but you have to be extra watchful to prevent positional asphyxiation, duct tape is a no-no. Once in the car, you might be able to chain his feet to the floor if not too wild. A lot of the time we call for a van if possible and toss 'em in there and then let the jailors handle him from that point on.

Joint locks can work, but if your pain threshold is high or you are drunk/drugged up that may not work.

If king was not on pcp, then the official report of that would be avaible to the public. I know what I was told in the academy and in subsequent training. I have no reason to believe they would lie to me.

 

[the nature boy]

oh well. i'm done debating. I'm surprised duct tape is a no no. although i guess if the guy has a breathing problem he might die. they could put him in the mask they had hannibal lecter wear in silence of the lambs. that would prevent biting.

later.

 

[chesty]

I never said my mind could not be changed. That is part of learning. If my training officers were lying to me then so be it. But, I would like to see the official toxicollogy report stating date and time. Because if too long after the incident it would show negative for a lot of drugs.

I am objective, I started this whole thing to see where it would go and holy shit, it went. As I have said in the past, all are innocnet until proven guilty.

 

[manny78]

you think that shit is worth it? some cops gets to beat on skinny little black kids.. and my store gets burned down.

I heard that in the US you could own a weapon so just get a nice Remington 870 and open fire on those kids....