Older dude questions

[mackman]

Stats,
38 rs old
6'3"
258
approx 13-15%bf
back lifting 5 times a week religously abot 14-15 months
My suit guys measure me at 50" chest
19"bi's on pump(still some fat on the arms at my BF%)

No health issues, bp, cholosteral etc good, bloodwork once a year. Been on purecee and trex, now purecee and red blast with good results but I want more.

Diets been clean since Dec., wasn't bad before but better now. Down about 16 pounds since then.
Prevous cycles-2- were 15 years ago, test cyp 500 a week, 10 weeks with great results no gyno and no pct(didn't know much back then)
Been here another places researching for several months and have some ideas but want some feedback.
Not afraid of pins whatsoever but they are out of the question for at least another 2 years.
Very interested in your ideas on Anavar 50-100mgs a a day, with purecee and whatever pct needed if any.
I cannot blow up 25 pounds in 10 weeks due to job. I want to increase size and strength while continuing to reduce bf%. I can explain say a 10-12 pound gain on creatine etc. My job doesn't know I'm taking anything right now, figured I take my purecee to work when I start the cycle to hush the questions. I dont need everyone telling me to shoot test and forget about it, its not an option right now. Money is not a problem with the amount of var I'd need. Wife has her boob job and botox, I want to do something for me.

 

[dsh89]

Bro, why do you say that you have to hold off on needles for 2 years? If you run Test E 500mg ew for 10 weeks, but maintain a lower calorie diet, you would gain some muscle while burning fat and gain maybe about 10 pounds or so. Just keep an AI on hand to keep bloat down. Just because you inject doesn't mean you are going to balloon up, it is all relative to the amount of calories you consume. I really think you would be disappointed with a Var only cycle.

 

[mackman]

No its not the fear of blowing up from injections, its the chance of stick site bruising, abcess's or big knots in legs or ass etc.. which did happen to many moons ago when I shot cyp. I have to change in and out at work and theres other guys doing the same including my boss. Great job and not chancing a 6 figure income. I get promoted in a couple years to different type duty. Can I put on 10 or 15 pounds in 8-10 weeks of var and supplements or nay?

 

[halfcenturian]

First of all, 38 is not old. Secondly if you are going to do gear, there is a right and wrong way to do it. Just like EVERYTHING else in life.
Most everyone who does it right, does a Testosterone only cycle for 10-12 weeks. Followed by 4 or 5weeks of PCT.
You certainly CAN do an oral only cycle. Are you afraid of needles, because most of us were? After 2 injections it's like shaving.

If you are dead set on orals only then I would run
60mg Anavar/ ED
40 mg Tbol / ED.
Weeks 1-2 , 40 var/ 20 Tbol
Weeks 2-8 , 60 var / 40 Tbol.
It's a great combination. I've run it myself. BUT you'd be happier if you added 500 mg Test E to the cycle.
Lean gains. No water bloat. No estrogen conversion, and good strength.

 

[mackman]

As I said in the original post I have darted myself throgh 2 cycles before, actually I would prefer it as its less liver toxic, just not a chance career wise I'm ready to take.

 

[halfcenturian]

As I said in the original post I have darted myself throgh 2 cycles before, actually I would prefer it as its less liver toxic, just not a chance career wise I'm ready to take.

Hey, I totally understand. We have lives to live above and beyond bodybuilding.
Try out the 8 week Var/ Tbol Cycle. You can alway get Andriol. Which is gelcap Test. Not the greatest. AND you have to take 8 caps a day. It does work. And it is Test. And it's expensive.

Those two Orals are your best bet, and NOT use ANY Test.
As always... "It's more about diet and training, than gear anyway."
Good luck, bro.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I'd run the var at 40mg ed, not 50-100mg, I think you see some seriously diminishing returns vs price and sides past 40mg. Also, if I was you I would shoot for getting the bf below 10% rather than gaining 10-15lbs, but thats an opinion.

 

[solidspine]

No needles that makes it tough,


There is an oral test, can’t think of it


So


Oral test===please look it up, I don’t want to get flamed
Primo
Winny


And of course our favorite d-bol from Russia

That would be harder on your organs then a simple test and Npp cycle.


38, be careful in the gym some of those guys are pretty rough the chicks too, no respect for older people,


I believe I did my FIRST cycle at 47, now on all the time and I am only 57

 

[mackman]

I can handle myself ok solidspine. So it seems like waste of time and money. My last cycle was a long time ago but it was test cyp from a bro with a script for it, I took him to the pharmacy to pick it up. I only used new pins, every time. I had 3 nasty lumps-bruises, is there a way to avoid this. I would like to run a 500mg omnadran(I have a good source for omna) but cannot have huge lumps on my ass.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I can handle myself ok solidspine. So it seems like waste of time and money. My last cycle was a long time ago but it was test cyp from a bro with a script for it, I took him to the pharmacy to pick it up. I only used new pins, every time. I had 3 nasty lumps-bruises, is there a way to avoid this. I would like to run a 500mg omnadran(I have a good source for omna) but cannot have huge lumps on my ass.

Have you considered transdermal test? Very cheap. Very effective. Very easy to make.

However, you could easily gain 10-15 lb using anavar alone. Ive gone as high at 120mg/day with anavar and began noticing muscle cramping, so I would stick with 80mg/day. That seems to be the sweet spot. It will give you some of the best gains of your life.

Still, using a little bit of test with the anavar helps with a much needed sexual boost, and just general well being.

BTW, a little bit of test and a hefty dose of anavar is my all time favorite stack.


-Pp

 

[caliboy]

38 aint old! lol. You coul;d use anavar, primobolan tabs, winny, tbol. You can easily put on a decent 10 pounds. its all about diet anyway. if its just for looks no need screwing things up at work. i have done tbol at 40mg a day with T3 for 6 weeks and it is a nice combo, not ideal but it will work.

 

[pitbullrocco]

sounds like you just need a good cigar


i'd stick to the 6 figure job bro

 

[all the whey]

Bro, you are 258lbs pushing 40. I would definately cut some weight.

If you got the bank, then work your way up to 2.5 to 3ius hgh. It will help you loose fat and gain muscle at your age. And, have some anti-aging effects also.

Also, I recommend you get extra cardio by following your wife around, and seeing what she is doing with her new bewbs and botox. Because, the guy that pays for the bewbs usually doesn't get to enjoy them long.

 

[mackman]

Preshiate the concern whey, I chase her real well. The boobs are 6 or 7 years old. I've got a big frame but you guys are right, I need to get down to 235/240. I think I'm going to try the 40-50mg var/purecee and eat strickter for 6 or 7 weeks and see what happens. I assume the paper kitty is trustworthy?

 

[Ulter]

Yes he's the best.

I really have to chime in and suggest you learn proper injection techniques so you can use test. It just takes a little practice. I assume you didn't quite driving after your first bad driving experience.

If you use anavar you can expect to get stronger and harder but the results are very temporary and if you're not fairly lean to begin with you will probably not be very happy with your results. And even from the cat who is generally over dosed it's still an expensive proposition.

However if you use test, as suggested previously, at say 500mg/wk. You'll get far better results, burn far more fat, and put on the kind of muscle you're looking for as you get closer to 40 than to 30.

 

[halfcenturian]

The oral Test is Andriol. As I mention above. You can read up on it .
Add Var and Tbol, a lots of cardio. and you've got a cycle that should fit your needs

Over, and OUT.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Anavar is a considerably better fat burning steroid than plain testosterone. Big chairman should know that…

-Pp

 

[BigCracker]

God. A grown man scared of pins but has no problem taxing his internal organs with orals. Plus what kind of life are you creating yourself w/ AS if you're sweating work and lumps on your ass??? I don't know if any $$$ a year job would be worth pissing in a cup for me.

And don't worry about gaining 25 lbs. I know plenty of guys that do nothing but eat, sleep, and breathe bodybuilding and they can't gain 25 lbs using enough roids to kill an elephant. It's not like you're gonna just wake up and be so big that you can't fit through the door sideways. Forgive me for being so harsh, but I'm one of the"old" guys on this board(that still bangs girls half my age) and I've used AS for almost 17 years, so when some newb comes along that can't use "I'm only 19 yrs old" as an excuse for being so uninformed, I like to be a dick. Oh wait, I'm a dick to those guys too. My bad! And btw-if you didn't have 414 posts and wouldn't have referred to yourself as old, you likely would've been flamed to death. The fear of needles/only oral cycle/don't wanna get too big too quick threads are 3 classic newb posts that get flamed into oblivion-and you nailed all 3 in one shot and still got a plethora of 411 without having to research jack shit on your own!!! Congrats.

How'd you rack up 414 posts and still not know this stuff you're asking? Were they all on the training boards exclusively or something???

 

[mackman]

Cracker, I cant help it that people like me, I'm gifted that way. Just like your gifted in being an ass to 98% of people on the board. You are right on with your info but can be harsh. I have really thick skin so you cant hurt my feeling through the computer. I aint afraid of pins, I have shot myself through 2 cycles before(I quess you didn't read that part though)I am afraid of losing an income that I have come used to. I basically wanted what I want now but cant have. I want to shoot 500-750 of test with dbol the first 4 weeks and blow up like the old days but I cant. I want to grow bigger and faster than I am but I quess I cant. So call me out if you like but being big is a goal but not consuming me enough to put my families lifestyle at risk. I quess I need to wait for the dart work. Thanks for your input.

 

[BigCracker]

Cracker, I cant help it that people like me, I'm gifted that way. Just like your gifted in being an ass to 98% of people on the board. You are right on with your info but can be harsh. I have really thick skin so you cant hurt my feeling through the computer. I aint afraid of pins, I have shot myself through 2 cycles before(I quess you didn't read that part though)I am afraid of losing an income that I have come used to. I basically wanted what I want now but cant have. I want to shoot 500-750 of test with dbol the first 4 weeks and blow up like the old days but I cant. I want to grow bigger and faster than I am but I quess I cant. So call me out if you like but being big is a goal but not consuming me enough to put my families lifestyle at risk. I quess I need to wait for the dart work. Thanks for your input.

Thanks for the humble reply. At least your prorities are in order. Family is everything-I honestly wish I had one.

The whole bruising thing shouldn't be an issue unless you're anemic or using shitty gear. Are your coworkers that competitive that they'd actually pay attention to your bare ass? Is it really possible for someone to point the roid finger at you if you gain 20lbs??? Old farts like us can get that in a month eating 2 pints of Ben & Jerrys nightly. Granted, it wont be ripped muscle but most normal people can't tell the difference. Unless you strangle a subordinate in a fit of rage I seriously doubt anywould would make you piss in a cup for AS use. Roid tests cost around $300 each when employers purchase them from the lab in bulk, so I'm guessing that testing you individually might cost double??? I think you'd really have to fuck the pooch for the boss to fork out big $$$ to test you when accusations are based primarily on hearsay-but there are no guarantees. Since you seem "stuck" I think you'd be a perect candidate for hrt. A little gh and 200 mgs of test weekly that can be procured legally at an hrt clinic would give you exactly what you want. Hell, your insurance might even pay for it??? This should eliminate any paranoia about losing your job since it's under the supervision of a Dr. Treating low test levels with test can't be any different than diabetics taking insulin.

 

[mackman]

I'm probably paranoind asbout them looking at my big bare ass and paying attention to gains. The test I shot long ago came from Walgreens, the guy I got from was on some for HRT. I only used new pins but I did bruise like a mofo. The HRT thing does sound interesting, I'll check into that today with my doc.

 

[hrpiii]

I would also second the Transdermal Test route. It's easy to make and apply. It does work, as I've had great success in the past.

 

[Dr. JK]

I'm probably paranoind asbout them looking at my big bare ass and paying attention to gains. The test I shot long ago came from Walgreens, the guy I got from was on some for HRT. I only used new pins but I did bruise like a mofo. The HRT thing does sound interesting, I'll check into that today with my doc.

I got 2 Questions:
1-When changing are you guys not in your underwear or that comes off too?
2-Are you not more scared of random steroid check than somebody seeing a bruise?

Regardless if you want to stick to orals that's your choice and we should respect it.

Aside from Anavar/Winny I would also get on a fat burning cycle, i.e. clen-ECA to help you loose weight/fat while you build muscle...You will look even bigger as the fat comes off and muscle builds up.

Just my opinion..Hope all goes well

 

[motodawg]

I'm 50 and i don't feel old that could be the test,eq,hgh i take . Good luck, You should learn how to inject properly. Injectables are a lot less harmful on the liver! You may be an older guy per say these boards but in real life your a middle age guy.

 

[mackman]

1. I only wear thongs so yes they could see lol. No just the coming out the shower in the changing room deal. Probably over paranoid.
2. Yes, and due to my license I am up for spot testing regulary, not sure other than narcotics, and pot what is in the panel. Clen does interest me but the over the counter stuff like redblast plays with my bloodpressure a bit.

 

[dsh89]

Seriously bro transdermal test is an option, but I pin twice a week and do not have bruises or anything that could be noticed. I am 35 myself bro, and have a good job as well and my income is very important to me. But I really do not like oral only cycles, just not enough bang for the buck to me. Check in to the HRT route bro. You might have success there.