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Ok guys this is serious

SoKlueles

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I debated whether to post this or not, but its been on my mind to spread the word about depression.
Thursday afternoon my 39 year old uncle took his own life because of depression. My family is in alot of pain right now. It is one of the less likely things that could ever happen to a family as close as mine is. He was a easy going, sweet generous man, and he and I were very close.
His wife divorced him last year, took him for everything he had. She has not been nice about the divorce either, I, personally. blame her for it....but she didnt pull the trigger.
We had a birthday party for him a few weeks ago and I could tell then, something was wrong. I looked it up on the internet yesterday and found out that there are alot of symptoms to depression.
He could not have been in his right mind when he shot himself, because he would not have done something like that in a place(home) for his 15 year old son to walk in and see. That baby will see that in his head for the rest of his life. He will need counseling for a long time. When the policeman told his 10 year old son, he sank to his knees and prayed and the policeman got down and prayed with him. I cried for 2 days straight. I guess it was from the shock. Guys if you think that there is someone that you know, or even yourself that is depressed. PLEASE do something about it, call a depression line, call your doctor....this didnt have to happen, people just needed to listen to him
thanks
 
i'm sorry about that. thats always tough, lately with my job i've been forced to deal with family members minutes after the news of a loved ones suicide and it can be very rough

if you need anything let me know
 
Well I know I kid around on here alot but Im not kidding on this..I had to tell my 5 year old son that his great uncle had an"accident" and my baby cried because of it. He loved him as much as I did and maybe someday I will tell him exactly what happened but he woudlnt understand right now
 
im really sorry for ur loss...and i hate people like that (the wife)
 
Sorry to hear about your Uncle.

My condolences.

I've learned quite a lot about depression/substance abuse/suicide etc. these past 3 months.

Treatment works, yet, sadly enough, due to the nature of depression, most depressed people never seek help.
 
condolances. not much to say. people will likely be looking to you for support Klueless, so try to stay strong and help the young ones, theyll need it most
 
Major Depression

Depressed mood
Persistent feelings of hopelessness, guilt or worthlessness
Slowed behavior (the feeling of "dragging oneself around")
Reduction or loss of pleasure in life

Negative or pessimistic thinking
Loss of interest in friends, activities, hobbies or work
Change in eating habits; weight gain or loss
Sleep problems, including waking up early
Frequent crying
Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
Irritability
Being anxious or worried a lot
Thoughts of death or suicide
Suicide attempt

In children and adolescents, signs of depression may be more recognizable and may include:

Falling grades
Irritability
Conduct problems
Social withdrawal
Complaints of physical problems such as headaches and stomachaches
Low energy
Poor concentration
Changes in eating or sleeping patterns


Bipolar Disorder

A person with bipolar disorder, or manic depression, has mood swings that soar to mania, or unusual elation, and then plummet to depression. During the depressive phase, the symptoms are the same as those of clinical depression, though the risk of suicide is higher. During the manic phase, the person may exhibit some or all of these symptoms:

Increased energy
Racing, disconnected thoughts
Increased talking and physical activity
Decreased need for sleep
Extreme feelings of excitement, joy, agitation or irritation that may be inappropriate to a given situation
Impulsive behavior and poor judgement; classic manic behavior includes excessive spending or rash business decisions
Increase in impulsive sexual activity
Odd or improper social behavior
Grandiosity, an elevated belief in one's own importance

A person with bipolar disorder may also:

Hallucinate, seeing or hearing things that are not there
Experience paranoia, feeling they are in danger
Harbor false, unshakeable beliefs about such things as wealth, power, or "super" abilities


Dysthymia

Chronic depression, called dysthymia, often begins in childhood or adolescence and may last for many years in adulthood if not treated. People with dysthymia:

Feel emotionally numb; they exist in a state of perpetual, low-level melancholy, going through the motions of everyday life with very little enthusiasm or interest
Tend to be negative thinkers, usually seeing the proverbial glass as half-empty instead of half-full
Are unable to savor or enjoy anything (anhedonic), even things they once enjoyed









tell me one person that doesnt suffer from at least 4-5 of those symptoms

I know I qualify for about 8 of them, I always thought those things were normal though, really I dont know if its even possible to live without depression according to those symptoms
 
Well then you have some form of depression buddy. Depression is not something to mess with, I now know this. I dont suffer from those. All i can tell you is get it checked out. I know depression killed my uncle and ruined his children for life. I posted this thread to help people. When I last saw him also, he was so sad looking and withdrawn. He was not a withdrawn person normally. Severely depressed people are very withdrawn. I saw this in him and yet i did nothing because I thought he would come out of it. Lots of pressure. We all get deprssed sometimes but if your so depressed that you are withdrawn and not laughing and enjoying your family, that is the worst kind.
 
I'm really sorry for your loss. I'm glad you made this post. I hope that people that are depressed can find their way to therapy. Why live your life in misery, when you can find a way to make it better? I've been there and it's worth getting help.
 
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well its not that serius but

Depressed mood - especially since its always raining down here in WA it is fuckin gay
Slowed behavior - that is just something that goes along with bad weather and nothing exciting to do except play indoor sports


Loss of interest in friends, activities, hobbies or work - theres some of these just cause I tried to take my life little more serius instead of drinking every weekend

Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions - thats just always been there

Low energy - thats what happens when you're tired so hows that associiated with depression?

Increased energy - thats what happens when you're not tired so wouldnt these 2 cancel out?

Increase in impulsive sexual activity - I wish

Odd or improper social behavior - that seems to happen often when Im drunk, other drunk girls seem to like it so it's all good

Harbor false, unshakeable beliefs about such things as wealth, power, or "super" abilities - whats wrong with this?



comes to about 8

the only thing that might be serius here is the first 2 but I cant change the weather, and it just puts you in that depressing mood

and concentration is just something i gotta work on, thats it...
 
okay and I just realised that I'm high jackin this thread but I do think that when people say that those symptoms are the ones that put you in depression is what makes people even more depressed...
 
SoKLueless I am so sorry to hear about your loss and the loss of your family. I too went through this exact same thing. My 40 year old uncle shot himself on June 2, 2003 and it devastated my entire family especially his 27 year old wife and my grandmother. Suicide is very tragic. But as you said, your uncle could not have been in his right mind when he took his own life. There is no way to logically explain something like suicice. My heart goes out to you. ANd make sure your family remembers all the fun times you have with him, trust me, it makes the grieving process much better. If there is anything i can do to help, please let me know. ANd i too had to explain to my 5 year old son that his uncle has died but again i didnt give him details he is much to young to understand or be able to deal with.
 
Depression is horrible man, sorry for your loss. My ex g/f’s uncle shot himself in the head with a shot gun, has 3 kids and a wife that love him. Blew half his face off but he lived. Suicide it a cowardly thing to do, but I can understand because I’ve been down in a hole myself. But I could never see how someone could take there own life. I’ve been so down I don’t think it could ever get worse, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to take my own life.
 
wow.so sorry klueles :(

My thoughts and prayers are with your family and the son especially. May you somehow find peace, in the midst of a storm.
 
big_bad_buff said:
. Suicide it a cowardly thing to do

You have absolutely no clue, do you?

http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=0006AF90-5BC7-1E1B-8B3B809EC588EEDF



The Neurobiology of Suicidal Behavior
Dr. J. John Mann

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Introduction
The clinical assessment of patients who are at high risk for committing suicide or making a serious suicide attempt has proven to be disappointingly imprecise. Traditional suicide risk factors -- past history of a suicide attempt, male gender, living alone, suffering from a psychiatric disorder, having a formed plan for suicide, making preparations for the suicide attempt, disposing of valued personal possessions, preparing a will -- are often found in cases of suicide. Unfortunately these risk factors are also found in high rates amongst psychiatric patients who never attempt suicide. Thus, we are forced to look elsewhere for features that distinguish the high-risk from the low-risk patient. The observation that there is a genetic risk factor for suicide suggests that there may be biobehavioral traits that predispose patients to commit suicide.

The Biology of Completed Suicide

In the 1960s studies exploring the biological basis of depression found that the brain of patients who died by suicide contained abnormally low levels of the chemical transmitter serotonin and its major breakdown product, the metabolite 5-hydroxyindolacetic acid (5-HIAA). In only half of these suicides was the patient suffering from depression; the others carried diagnoses of schizophrenia, alcoholism, personality disorders, and situational reactions. Prematurely, this area of investigation was abandoned because it was felt to be uninformative about depressive illness. Approximately twenty years later we reviewed this literature and found that the decrease in serotonin and 5-HIAA did not depend on the patient's psychiatric diagnosis or method of death, but instead was related solely to their committing suicide.

Subsequently, a large range of biochemical abnormalities were found to distinguish the brains of suicide victims. The number of imipramine binding sites appears to be decreased in suicide victims -- this may reflect a reduction in the number of serotoninergic nerve terminals. Also, an increase in the number of post-synaptic 5-HT2 serotonin receptors has been demonstrated in their brain, and this receptor has been implicated in a range of brain functions -- emotion, perception, memory, and the release of hormones like prolactin.

Thus there are a number of abnormalities in the serontonergic systems in the brain of suicide victims. These are: 1) consistent with a decrease in serotonin function; 2) independent of psychiatric diagnosis; and 3) probably specific to certain brain regions that determine the likelihood of suicidal behavior.

Although the predominant changes appear to be in the serotonergic system, the noradrenergic system may also be involved -- suicide victims show altered binding of at least two noradrenergic receptor subtypes. Preliminary studies of the cholinergic system have, as yet, identified no abnormalities.

The Biology of Attempted Suicide

Beginning in the 1970s, a succession of studies established that those who had low levels of the serotonin metabolite 5-HIAA in spinal fluid, made a greater number of very serious suicide attempts. This finding has been extended to suicide attempters with personality disorders and those with schizophrenia -- in each of these diagnostic groups suicide attempters have lower levels of 5HIAA than do the non-attempters. One study found that twenty percent of patients admitted to a hospital with a suicide attempt and having low level of CSF 5-HIAA would complete suicide within a year of discharge, compared to only two percent of those with normal levels of CSF 5-HIAA.

Clinical Applications

The level of CSF 5-HIAA has promise as a predictor of future suicidal behavior. It is clinically significant that the CSF 5-HIAA level is not affected by the severity of the depression, but solely discriminates the patients' suicide risk. At the University of Pittsburgh's Clinical Research Center for the Study of Suicidal Behavior a large prospective study is in progress examining CSF 5-HIAA and a range of other biological measures as predictors of suicidal behavior. These studies are important tests of just how usefully these biological indices of risk can assist patient care.

Measurement of 5-HIAA requires a spinal tap, however. A less invasive method for assessing the serotonin system tests blood samples to measure the release of the hormone prolactin into the bloodstream in response to drugs like fenfluramine that cause the release of serotonin in the brain. Two such studies found a blunted prolactin response to fenfluramine in patients who attempted suicide in the past.

The prolactin response to fenfluramine and the CSF levels of 5-HIAA both appear to be subnormal in patients regardless of when the suicide attempt was made, whether it was three years ago or three months ago. This suggests that the serotonin response being measured is an enduring biological trait that might perhaps be genetically transmited, rather than a transient, statedependent measure of suicide risk.

Conclusion

Identifying biological markers of suicidal behavior represents an exciting step forward in suicide research. These markers offer clinicians the hope of one day more precisely predicting who is most at-risk for suicide. The markers could then be used to select patients for preventative treatments that raise their threshold for suicidal behavior and thereby reduce the risk of their carrying out serious suicide attempts. Protecting the patient against suicide in this way buys time for the treatment of the depression and other psychiatric disorders that underlie their suicidal wish



http://www.afsp.org/index-1.htm

The majority (not all) of suicide are committed by people suffering from depression, which is an illness. Noone chooses to be depressed.

I am tired of explaining this to people. I'm suffering now from PTSD myself.
 
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Suicide is not cowardly, how could you say that unless you were at the point of a gun in your mouth? It cannot be understood, I feel, unless you reach that point yourself.
 
soklueless - sorry for your loss.

buddy of mine recognized a problem with someone he knew and jumped on it ASAP.

hard to approach someone when it comes to these situations. unless they really want help, any questions you ask don't get you anywhere. sad, but such is life.

good luck.
 
We went to the receiving friends tonight and it was so horrible. His 15 year old son stood there like a zombie.....i feel so sorry for that baby...he will never be the same
I disagree with whoever said suicide is cowardly.....it has not a freakin thing to do with being a coward. It is someone that DOES not know what they are doing..
My uncle planned on going hunting with my dad today actually...I went to his house yesterday to find a picture of him, and he had 2 packs of cigarettes sitting on his table....someone thats planning on suicide dont buy cigarettes...they dont make plans for 2 days later.....i think he was so worried about getting his ex her money he lost his mind because the uncle i knew and loved would NEVER EVER EVER do that to his kids....
Scotty James Ellis
1965-2004
 
Jesuz. I just don't know what to say. I'm sorry for your loss and pray that the kids will be able to make it through. Not only for the their state of mind, but in every way (financial, support, etc.).

All I can think is: Jesuz...

I think I'm going to go hug my kids now.
 
Very sad. I don't understand why someone would kill themselves over a divorce though. I have way too much pride. You want to leave me, take your fucking ass out the door and don't let it hit you on the way out bitch. Damn that felt good to say.
Very, very sorry about that though. My deepest sympathies.
 
He must of been in a tremendous amount of pain because I would think that he had to know the pain that he would cause to his children. I would have to wonder if he wasn't murdered. I bet a lot of suicides are actually murders.
 
Not to be a downer, but for some people no matter what you do or try they will still try to end their life in one form or another!

For a lot of men (Especially with children) that you did not see it coming usually do it because of guilt or shame because something happened with their ability of being "Provider"

You take away a man's pride their is not much else that could be worse!

If suicide was a cowards game then there would be whole lot more people doing it! It takes some serious guts to do it! The living always say that becuase they can not fathom why someone would do that!

Watch that kid closely for some time even if he says he is fine he is hurting real bad! How and how long is what you will have to watch for! He may act out or start withdrawing to deal with his pain! Get him therapy keep him busy etc! And he may be lucky and be just fine and go on without any major problems in the future! It all depends on the individual how they will react!
 
soK
my condolences
as long as your and your families memoraries are all good then he lives on
as for his son only time will heal
nothing anyone can say or do can hasten it
let it follow it's course while adding your own support
as for you it was a good thing for you to post it here
slowly you will accept it also and release him and yourself fromt the pain
take care sweety
 
to my friend...my deepest thoughts go out to you..."If a mind percieves without love, it percieves an empty shell and is unaware of the spirit within"......
 
klueless my heart goes out to you and your family, my Dad killed himself a litttle over 2 years ago when he found out he had a near always terminal disease. Be well sister and God Bless, were all here for ya
 
Well guys, we buried my uncle today. It was one of the hardest things in the world to have to sit there and watch and think" why did he have to do something so drastic" but i guess in his mind at the time, he thought he had no other choice.
They did find a note this morning. His son, I hope, will be ok....but I know that his death had a huge impact on everyone that knew and loved him. During the funeral precessions, there was not a dry eye in the church because this man was so loved. He was a good man and I have a sense of calm now because I know now that he is doing much better and he is with my grandfather. Thanks everyone for your prayers, sympathy and support
I love you guys
 
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