Ok Clen Experts please help me out here

[scout69]

Ok on my last post i was told 1ml twice a day of Clen but than was told this wouldnt be a good idea....But no one is telling me what a good idea is. How would 1ml in the morning do...

 

[christopher2100]

Bro it all depends on how many mcg per ml, i get the 200mcg per ml and i use a baby dropper that has the ml in .2 .4 .6 .8 and 1 ml dosing, first day i use .2 which is 40 mcg next day i go .4 which is 80mcg after that i got to .6 and 4th day i go .6 for a total 120mcgs. I unlike others take it at nite. i personally love the effect it has on me, the jitters and all. Plus i feel taking it at nite the hand shakes are usually felt in the am mostly and subside throughout the day. enjoy...................

 

[scout69]

Bro it all depends on how many mcg per ml, i get the 200mcg per ml and i use a baby dropper that has the ml in .2 .4 .6 .8 and 1 ml dosing, first day i use .2 which is 40 mcg next day i go .4 which is 80mcg after that i got to .6 and 4th day i go .6 for a total 120mcgs. I unlike others take it at nite. i personally love the effect it has on me, the jitters and all. Plus i feel taking it at nite the hand shakes are usually felt in the am mostly and subside throughout the day. enjoy...................

I'd prefer the night as well so I will give it a shot I will take your advice and take it tonight at .2ml I only have a regular needle but with the lines I can read .2 and so on

 

[christopher2100]

what ya gotta do is take your temp every morning at the same time when u wake up. Your temp should rise from normal anywhere up to 1 degree. In time the clen will down regulate your receptors and basically not have an affect on your body, so by taking your temp you will be able to monitor it. Figure around the 3rd week for your body to do this and thats when you can take benydryl for 7 days b4 bed and keep the clen rolling. I havent used the clen you have since january, but i will tell you i did cardio in my house on a eliptical for 10 mins a day and a few hundred sit-ups and push up and i lost nearly 15 lbs and havent looked this good since my college days. gl and any ?'s feel free to pm me..............

 

[eddymerckx]

all you need to know....and chris ^^^is also right on
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/clenbuterol-faq-210446.html

 

[ALIN]

Ok on my last post i was told 1ml twice a day of Clen but than was told this wouldnt be a good idea....But no one is telling me what a good idea is. How would 1ml in the morning do...

whats the MCG per ML amount?

 

[GUARDIAN]

GUARDIAN's GUIDE TO CLEN

There are a couple of ways to run it 2 weeks on/off or straight through (i prefer the 2nd). Most people are misinformed about the 2 weeks on/off principle. The whole reason it started was bc people started to realize that after about 2 weeks clen lost its effectiveness (this is why many claim it doesnt work for them as well bc they take it and see nothing after two weeks or so). Studies have shown that at about day 18 clen loses its effectiveness.

This is bc clen is a beta-2 agonist and we have some receptor down regulation going on. So back in the day users would take it for 2 weeks then stop completely and start back up in another 2 weeks in order to upregulate their receptors. Someone got the bright idea that they could take e/c/a during the off weeks to keep the fat loss going. The problem is ephedra is a beta antagonist as well, except it is not specifically a beta-2 so it is hitting all the receptors including the beta-2 which are already downregulated. So using this method is not very effective. U might as well of stayed on clen the whole time. So if u want to run it 2 weeks on/off do not run anything during the off weeks.

I prefer to run clen straight through. This can be accomplished by taking benadryl (50-100mgs) at night (cuz it will make u sleepy during the day) every third week for a week straight. So in other words days 15-21, 36-42, etc. "Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase . Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug. Therefore Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors."

With all that said my preferred method is with benadryl and I would run the clen for 8 weeks straight.

Here is a dose schedule. I would keep tapering up until you can no longer handle the sides and then either stay at that dose or back down a bit and hold that dose for the remainder of the cycle. I have used 200mcg per day with chemone's stuff.


Days 1-4: 25 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 5-8: 50 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 9-12: 50 mcg am / 50mcg pm
Days 13-16: 75 mcg am / 50 mcg pm
Days 17-20: 75 mcg am / 75mcg pm
Days 21-24: 100 mcg am / 75 mcg pm
Days 25-28: 100 mcg am / 100 mcg pm
Days 29-56: 100mcg am / 100 mcg pm or whatever your max dose is split in 2

1) Take 1g of Taurine with each dose, this will help control cramping and other sides

2) take your temperature in-between doses every couple of days at the same time. u will know if it is working if your core temperature starts raising. ideally u would like to have it about 0.5-1 degree higher than normal and no more than 100 degrees overall (98.6 is normal body temp)

3) take no other stimulants such as caffeine when tapering up. otherwise u will have no idea if it is the clen or caffeine or both that is causing the sides.

4) take your 2nd dose no later than 4pm so u can sleep well at night. i can personally take it b4 bed without issues but then again i can sleep through anything.


5) stacked with t3 is an awesome fat burner. if u want the t3 dose schedule i can give that to u as well but most dont want to mess with their thyroid function.

6) cardio: 5-7X a week, 35-45 minutes

7) low carb diets work best but in any case make sure you go calorie deficient.

8) i also like to run an hrt dose of test to keep all muscle gains.

9) your strength in the gym will go down, this is normal. as long as u keep your intensity high and your protein high u should lose little to no muscle.

10) good signs that it is working: u feel hotter than normal almost like hot flashes, increased sweat, increased hunger.

i think that about covers it. enjoy & good luck!!!!

 

[Donnie Darko]

It seems things have been answered well enough. Work your way up to a tolerance level and then cycle off after two to three weeks. Simply be careful using a strong CNS stimulant.

 

[gladiator2]

What ever you do dont take the full MIL ,until you know the mcg per mil ,you could be taking a trip to the ER ,Just be carefull and precise in your dosing.write it down daily is what i do so i know where i am ,I check my body temp every mourning and write it beside the dose.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

GUARDIAN's GUIDE TO CLEN

There are a couple of ways to run it 2 weeks on/off or straight through (i prefer the 2nd). Most people are misinformed about the 2 weeks on/off principle. The whole reason it started was bc people started to realize that after about 2 weeks clen lost its effectiveness (this is why many claim it doesnt work for them as well bc they take it and see nothing after two weeks or so). Studies have shown that at about day 18 clen loses its effectiveness.

This is bc clen is a beta-2 agonist and we have some receptor down regulation going on. So back in the day users would take it for 2 weeks then stop completely and start back up in another 2 weeks in order to upregulate their receptors. Someone got the bright idea that they could take e/c/a during the off weeks to keep the fat loss going. The problem is ephedra is a beta antagonist as well, except it is not specifically a beta-2 so it is hitting all the receptors including the beta-2 which are already downregulated. So using this method is not very effective. U might as well of stayed on clen the whole time. So if u want to run it 2 weeks on/off do not run anything during the off weeks.

I prefer to run clen straight through. This can be accomplished by taking benadryl (50-100mgs) at night (cuz it will make u sleepy during the day) every third week for a week straight. So in other words days 15-21, 36-42, etc. "Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase . Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug. Therefore Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors."

With all that said my preferred method is with benadryl and I would run the clen for 8 weeks straight.

Here is a dose schedule. I would keep tapering up until you can no longer handle the sides and then either stay at that dose or back down a bit and hold that dose for the remainder of the cycle. I have used 200mcg per day with chemone's stuff.


Days 1-4: 25 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 5-8: 50 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 9-12: 50 mcg am / 50mcg pm
Days 13-16: 75 mcg am / 50 mcg pm
Days 17-20: 75 mcg am / 75mcg pm
Days 21-24: 100 mcg am / 75 mcg pm
Days 25-28: 100 mcg am / 100 mcg pm
Days 29-56: 100mcg am / 100 mcg pm or whatever your max dose is split in 2

1) Take 1g of Taurine with each dose, this will help control cramping and other sides

2) take your temperature in-between doses every couple of days at the same time. u will know if it is working if your core temperature starts raising. ideally u would like to have it about 0.5-1 degree higher than normal and no more than 100 degrees overall (98.6 is normal body temp)

3) take no other stimulants such as caffeine when tapering up. otherwise u will have no idea if it is the clen or caffeine or both that is causing the sides.

4) take your 2nd dose no later than 4pm so u can sleep well at night. i can personally take it b4 bed without issues but then again i can sleep through anything.


5) stacked with t3 is an awesome fat burner. if u want the t3 dose schedule i can give that to u as well but most dont want to mess with their thyroid function.

6) cardio: 5-7X a week, 35-45 minutes

7) low carb diets work best but in any case make sure you go calorie deficient.

8) i also like to run an hrt dose of test to keep all muscle gains.

9) your strength in the gym will go down, this is normal. as long as u keep your intensity high and your protein high u should lose little to no muscle.

10) good signs that it is working: u feel hotter than normal almost like hot flashes, increased sweat, increased hunger.

i think that about covers it. enjoy & good luck!!!!

How do you guys feel about taking the Clen on a week on, week off cycle? as oppossed to the 2 week? What's the difference?? thank you

 

[GUARDIAN]

How do you guys feel about taking the Clen on a week on, week off cycle? as oppossed to the 2 week? What's the difference?? thank you

never tried it. it is the same type of concept. u r giving your beta-2 receptors a break so then can "refresh". typically 2 weeks is used bc studies & anecdotal evidence have suggested that around the 18 day mark clen starts losing its effectiveness.

we half to thing about the half life of clen though. It is about 36 hoours. say u take 100mcg ed for a week. for the sake of my model and easier calculations i am also assuming 1 a day dosing (though I personally use 2 a day). notice how high your levels of clen are during your "off week". u could just take clen for 1 week on but i think u need to take 2 weeks off still bc that first week off there is still alot of clen in your system.

as long as your diet and cardio are in order i would venture to say u could c results on a 1 on 2 off.

 

[flajice]

GUARDIAN's GUIDE TO CLEN

There are a couple of ways to run it 2 weeks on/off or straight through (i prefer the 2nd). Most people are misinformed about the 2 weeks on/off principle. The whole reason it started was bc people started to realize that after about 2 weeks clen lost its effectiveness (this is why many claim it doesnt work for them as well bc they take it and see nothing after two weeks or so). Studies have shown that at about day 18 clen loses its effectiveness.

This is bc clen is a beta-2 agonist and we have some receptor down regulation going on. So back in the day users would take it for 2 weeks then stop completely and start back up in another 2 weeks in order to upregulate their receptors. Someone got the bright idea that they could take e/c/a during the off weeks to keep the fat loss going. The problem is ephedra is a beta antagonist as well, except it is not specifically a beta-2 so it is hitting all the receptors including the beta-2 which are already downregulated. So using this method is not very effective. U might as well of stayed on clen the whole time. So if u want to run it 2 weeks on/off do not run anything during the off weeks.

I prefer to run clen straight through. This can be accomplished by taking benadryl (50-100mgs) at night (cuz it will make u sleepy during the day) every third week for a week straight. So in other words days 15-21, 36-42, etc. "Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase . Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug. Therefore Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors."

With all that said my preferred method is with benadryl and I would run the clen for 8 weeks straight.

Here is a dose schedule. I would keep tapering up until you can no longer handle the sides and then either stay at that dose or back down a bit and hold that dose for the remainder of the cycle. I have used 200mcg per day with chemone's stuff.


Days 1-4: 25 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 5-8: 50 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 9-12: 50 mcg am / 50mcg pm
Days 13-16: 75 mcg am / 50 mcg pm
Days 17-20: 75 mcg am / 75mcg pm
Days 21-24: 100 mcg am / 75 mcg pm
Days 25-28: 100 mcg am / 100 mcg pm
Days 29-56: 100mcg am / 100 mcg pm or whatever your max dose is split in 2

1) Take 1g of Taurine with each dose, this will help control cramping and other sides

2) take your temperature in-between doses every couple of days at the same time. u will know if it is working if your core temperature starts raising. ideally u would like to have it about 0.5-1 degree higher than normal and no more than 100 degrees overall (98.6 is normal body temp)

3) take no other stimulants such as caffeine when tapering up. otherwise u will have no idea if it is the clen or caffeine or both that is causing the sides.

4) take your 2nd dose no later than 4pm so u can sleep well at night. i can personally take it b4 bed without issues but then again i can sleep through anything.


5) stacked with t3 is an awesome fat burner. if u want the t3 dose schedule i can give that to u as well but most dont want to mess with their thyroid function.

6) cardio: 5-7X a week, 35-45 minutes

7) low carb diets work best but in any case make sure you go calorie deficient.

8) i also like to run an hrt dose of test to keep all muscle gains.

9) your strength in the gym will go down, this is normal. as long as u keep your intensity high and your protein high u should lose little to no muscle.

10) good signs that it is working: u feel hotter than normal almost like hot flashes, increased sweat, increased hunger.

i think that about covers it. enjoy & good luck!!!!

great POST, k TO YOU

 

[Loths]

...the jitters and all. Plus i feel taking it at nite the hand shakes are usually felt in the am mostly and subside throughout the day. enjoy...................

Oh, the Hand shake... that my personal Favorites... try eating rice with the handshakes... funnyshit!

 

[LiquidPhire]

GUARDIAN's GUIDE TO CLEN

There are a couple of ways to run it 2 weeks on/off or straight through (i prefer the 2nd). Most people are misinformed about the 2 weeks on/off principle. The whole reason it started was bc people started to realize that after about 2 weeks clen lost its effectiveness (this is why many claim it doesnt work for them as well bc they take it and see nothing after two weeks or so). Studies have shown that at about day 18 clen loses its effectiveness.

This is bc clen is a beta-2 agonist and we have some receptor down regulation going on. So back in the day users would take it for 2 weeks then stop completely and start back up in another 2 weeks in order to upregulate their receptors. Someone got the bright idea that they could take e/c/a during the off weeks to keep the fat loss going. The problem is ephedra is a beta antagonist as well, except it is not specifically a beta-2 so it is hitting all the receptors including the beta-2 which are already downregulated. So using this method is not very effective. U might as well of stayed on clen the whole time. So if u want to run it 2 weeks on/off do not run anything during the off weeks.

I prefer to run clen straight through. This can be accomplished by taking benadryl (50-100mgs) at night (cuz it will make u sleepy during the day) every third week for a week straight. So in other words days 15-21, 36-42, etc. "Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase . Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug. Therefore Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors."

With all that said my preferred method is with benadryl and I would run the clen for 8 weeks straight.

Here is a dose schedule. I would keep tapering up until you can no longer handle the sides and then either stay at that dose or back down a bit and hold that dose for the remainder of the cycle. I have used 200mcg per day with chemone's stuff.


Days 1-4: 25 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 5-8: 50 mcg am / 25mcg pm
Days 9-12: 50 mcg am / 50mcg pm
Days 13-16: 75 mcg am / 50 mcg pm
Days 17-20: 75 mcg am / 75mcg pm
Days 21-24: 100 mcg am / 75 mcg pm
Days 25-28: 100 mcg am / 100 mcg pm
Days 29-56: 100mcg am / 100 mcg pm or whatever your max dose is split in 2

1) Take 1g of Taurine with each dose, this will help control cramping and other sides

2) take your temperature in-between doses every couple of days at the same time. u will know if it is working if your core temperature starts raising. ideally u would like to have it about 0.5-1 degree higher than normal and no more than 100 degrees overall (98.6 is normal body temp)

3) take no other stimulants such as caffeine when tapering up. otherwise u will have no idea if it is the clen or caffeine or both that is causing the sides.

4) take your 2nd dose no later than 4pm so u can sleep well at night. i can personally take it b4 bed without issues but then again i can sleep through anything.


5) stacked with t3 is an awesome fat burner. if u want the t3 dose schedule i can give that to u as well but most dont want to mess with their thyroid function.

6) cardio: 5-7X a week, 35-45 minutes

7) low carb diets work best but in any case make sure you go calorie deficient.

8) i also like to run an hrt dose of test to keep all muscle gains.

9) your strength in the gym will go down, this is normal. as long as u keep your intensity high and your protein high u should lose little to no muscle.

10) good signs that it is working: u feel hotter than normal almost like hot flashes, increased sweat, increased hunger.

i think that about covers it. enjoy & good luck!!!!

+1 =) Good guide , read it.

 

[GUARDIAN]

+1 =) Good guide , read it.

how is your progress coming bro?

 

[LiquidPhire]

how is your progress coming bro?

It's good man,I went traveling for 4 days and didn't bring it with me so I just stopped and its been only 6-7 days since ive done it. I wanna resume sooooon the results were nice