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JKurz1

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I have a little question that has drove me crazy from Day #1 and still sort of baffels me. Since going to therapy (about 20 sessions so far and much much better) no one is truly understand the way the body works as far as nutrients and cals. Here is my question.

I am 30 years old....so my metabolism is slowing way down, however I am on HRT, so this may play a role. My job is very stressfull, my relationship with my family and girlfriend have become exqualy as bad. Therefore, I use the gym as my escape from reality....my release.....so it's no longer part of my disease where I feel like I need to burn off everything I ate (trust me, its a sick disease thank god it's getting better) i just need to go.......I've been training or doing somthing every single day with no days of absolutel comple rest. Although I do sit all day, so my job is not physcialy stressful, I consider this rest. My sleep stinks. I eat right before bed, which helps me konk out for 5-6 hours, but after my firt piss, i'm up every hour.....sucks.

THe scaries part of all this is I have recently been able to admit my drug abuse. What? yes......I got hooked on oxycontin about a year ago after minor dental surgery and found that at first it cleared my head and I was able to gain weight (FINALLY!!!), but now it's sick......Granted, I have been able to keep it under control and am not like most addicts. I take NEVER more than 2 tabs a day total...period. 1 in the am, 1 post training........just makes me very tired now, but I find I can concentrate better with no pain (mainly lower back and stomach).....I also have had stints with MJ and Bain, both suck, but never ever anything harder than that. No booze, no harsh harsh drugs..just ox bain and mj.....pls hrt.....anyways, why am I saying this, well part of the therapy is to come clean to everyone it'll help me out so thanks for still reading.

Next, my weight. Fully clothed and in the pm, I weigh in at 154lbs.........sure my abs are pretty damn good, but I keep getting weaker and weaker and weaker as my weight drops. My skin looks pale like I'm dying...my face is sunken in, etc. I dont understand this since many dudes are my height and weigh 120lbs, they dont work out, but dont look very bad in the face. I can wrap my hands around my bis, my quads are toothpicks, and the worse part was I was once a machine in college at 240 and solid....now, all I have is a six pack, no strength, etc....so, if that gets blurry, obviously I get depressed because I work so hard on keeping a clean diet, I do no cardio but that shouldnt matter....


NOW, the point of my thread..........why do I have to eat sooooo much more than he average person? I mean look at the diets around you....some dont eat all day save a bagel and coffee, a sandwhich for lunch, and dinner......and I'm eating every 2 hours......about 2800 cals, under 20g of carbs, under 100g of fat and under 250g of protein.....and I'm still skinnhy, frail, weak, feel like piss, etc. But it's much much more than the average and I dont do anything all day....just a high volume workout for 1.5 hours in the pm which I bullshi around a little to (I never did before, but I'm trying to balance life and just get in a good workout now....not concerned with strength I just want the size!.....so can anyone assist me? Jst an explanation.....pm me as I dont want want this to turn out to be another flame post......sorry if I wasted your time, but I'm scared....what would you do? Should I just eat my ass off for 1 week, eat everything, constantly eat....gain a little chub, but will it make me feel better? Sorry.....
 
Ill be tottally honest bro........All the things you listed in your post sound like the results of being addicted to opiates(Oxys). Being addicted to Oxys is no joke at all. IT causes depression in the worst way. Like you stated even things with the girl and family are bad. The sunk in face and all the other shit comes from Oxy use.
I have been were your at bro. You stated you know you have a addiction problem with the Oxys. Now you need to do something about that addiction as soon as possible. I have been clean for a while now, and my life is second to none!!!! Once you conqure this addiction, the other things will fall into place. This is a tough road bro but hang in there ,you can do this!!!!!!!!! Feel free to PM me any time bro. Were all here for ya!!!!!
 
JKurz1 said:
I have a little question that has drove me crazy from Day #1 and still sort of baffels me. Since going to therapy (about 20 sessions so far and much much better) no one is truly understand the way the body works as far as nutrients and cals. Here is my question.

I am 30 years old....so my metabolism is slowing way down, however I am on HRT, so this may play a role. My job is very stressfull, my relationship with my family and girlfriend have become exqualy as bad. Therefore, I use the gym as my escape from reality....my release.....so it's no longer part of my disease where I feel like I need to burn off everything I ate (trust me, its a sick disease thank god it's getting better) i just need to go.......I've been training or doing somthing every single day with no days of absolutel comple rest. Although I do sit all day, so my job is not physcialy stressful, I consider this rest. My sleep stinks. I eat right before bed, which helps me konk out for 5-6 hours, but after my firt piss, i'm up every hour.....sucks.

THe scaries part of all this is I have recently been able to admit my drug abuse. What? yes......I got hooked on oxycontin about a year ago after minor dental surgery and found that at first it cleared my head and I was able to gain weight (FINALLY!!!), but now it's sick......Granted, I have been able to keep it under control and am not like most addicts. I take NEVER more than 2 tabs a day total...period. 1 in the am, 1 post training........just makes me very tired now, but I find I can concentrate better with no pain (mainly lower back and stomach).....I also have had stints with MJ and Bain, both suck, but never ever anything harder than that. No booze, no harsh harsh drugs..just ox bain and mj.....pls hrt.....anyways, why am I saying this, well part of the therapy is to come clean to everyone it'll help me out so thanks for still reading.

Next, my weight. Fully clothed and in the pm, I weigh in at 154lbs.........sure my abs are pretty damn good, but I keep getting weaker and weaker and weaker as my weight drops. My skin looks pale like I'm dying...my face is sunken in, etc. I dont understand this since many dudes are my height and weigh 120lbs, they dont work out, but dont look very bad in the face. I can wrap my hands around my bis, my quads are toothpicks, and the worse part was I was once a machine in college at 240 and solid....now, all I have is a six pack, no strength, etc....so, if that gets blurry, obviously I get depressed because I work so hard on keeping a clean diet, I do no cardio but that shouldnt matter....


NOW, the point of my thread..........why do I have to eat sooooo much more than he average person? I mean look at the diets around you....some dont eat all day save a bagel and coffee, a sandwhich for lunch, and dinner......and I'm eating every 2 hours......about 2800 cals, under 20g of carbs, under 100g of fat and under 250g of protein.....and I'm still skinnhy, frail, weak, feel like piss, etc. But it's much much more than the average and I dont do anything all day....just a high volume workout for 1.5 hours in the pm which I bullshi around a little to (I never did before, but I'm trying to balance life and just get in a good workout now....not concerned with strength I just want the size!.....so can anyone assist me? Jst an explanation.....pm me as I dont want want this to turn out to be another flame post......sorry if I wasted your time, but I'm scared....what would you do? Should I just eat my ass off for 1 week, eat everything, constantly eat....gain a little chub, but will it make me feel better? Sorry.....

You PM'd me yesterday about the oxy's. I apologize, but I don't know how to access that but i want to get back to you. You asked about weaning off oxy's by dropping the mg's slowly. not to burst your bubble, but this is a losing proposition. What saved me was narcotics anonymous (NA) meetings. I am in massachusetts so i go to new england chapter meetings. if you want to check it out (i suggest you do) go to www.newenglandna.org there should be a toll free # and you can find a local meeting. Also, you might want to try and find a doctor that can percscribe subutux or suboxone. A google search will explain what they are. How many mg's are each pill and how long have you been using?
 
Acela said:
You PM'd me yesterday about the oxy's. I apologize, but I don't know how to access that but i want to get back to you. You asked about weaning off oxy's by dropping the mg's slowly. not to burst your bubble, but this is a losing proposition. What saved me was narcotics anonymous (NA) meetings. I am in massachusetts so i go to new england chapter meetings. if you want to check it out (i suggest you do) go to www.newenglandna.org there should be a toll free # and you can find a local meeting. Also, you might want to try and find a doctor that can percscribe subutux or suboxone. A google search will explain what they are. How many mg's are each pill and how long have you been using?

Great post!!!! I am from Massachusetts also. NA saved my life!!!!! My wife is a RN and runns the suboxone clinc at her work. You should look in to this bro.Her clients had great success with this program.
Acela is right weaning off of Oxys is not the answer. Take his advice and find a meeting and ask for help, got a sponsor and just hang in there, theres a hole life waiting ahead of you bro!!!!!!!!!
 
navigatorrs said:
Great post!!!! I am from Massachusetts also. NA saved my life!!!!! My wife is a RN and runns the suboxone clinc at her work. You should look in to this bro.Her clients had great success with this program.
Acela is right weaning off of Oxys is not the answer. Take his advice and find a meeting and ask for help, got a sponsor and just hang in there, theres a hole life waiting ahead of you bro!!!!!!!!!

NA is definately the shit. non-judgemental and always there for you. just curious, how long were you on the suboxone before you stopped that? I didn't realize it until recently, there are a lot of recovering addicts on this board. makes me feel kinda at home.

1 last thing for the original poster...you gotta stop hanging around people that use.
 
I would get off the oxys for sure, even if it is only 2 pills/day.
I thought you were making progress w/ your weight gain.
2800 cals is not much at all and is definetely not sufficient to bulk on.
Add an extra 1000-1200 clean cals and you'll start to see a diferance.
Good luck and thanks for sharing.
 
JKurz1 said:
I have a little question that has drove me crazy from Day #1 and still sort of baffels me. Since going to therapy (about 20 sessions so far and much much better) no one is truly understand the way the body works as far as nutrients and cals. Here is my question.

I am 30 years old....so my metabolism is slowing way down, however I am on HRT, so this may play a role. My job is very stressfull, my relationship with my family and girlfriend have become exqualy as bad. Therefore, I use the gym as my escape from reality....my release.....so it's no longer part of my disease where I feel like I need to burn off everything I ate (trust me, its a sick disease thank god it's getting better) i just need to go.......I've been training or doing somthing every single day with no days of absolutel comple rest. Although I do sit all day, so my job is not physcialy stressful, I consider this rest. My sleep stinks. I eat right before bed, which helps me konk out for 5-6 hours, but after my firt piss, i'm up every hour.....sucks.

THe scaries part of all this is I have recently been able to admit my drug abuse. What? yes......I got hooked on oxycontin about a year ago after minor dental surgery and found that at first it cleared my head and I was able to gain weight (FINALLY!!!), but now it's sick......Granted, I have been able to keep it under control and am not like most addicts. I take NEVER more than 2 tabs a day total...period. 1 in the am, 1 post training........just makes me very tired now, but I find I can concentrate better with no pain (mainly lower back and stomach).....I also have had stints with MJ and Bain, both suck, but never ever anything harder than that. No booze, no harsh harsh drugs..just ox bain and mj.....pls hrt.....anyways, why am I saying this, well part of the therapy is to come clean to everyone it'll help me out so thanks for still reading.

Next, my weight. Fully clothed and in the pm, I weigh in at 154lbs.........sure my abs are pretty damn good, but I keep getting weaker and weaker and weaker as my weight drops. My skin looks pale like I'm dying...my face is sunken in, etc. I dont understand this since many dudes are my height and weigh 120lbs, they dont work out, but dont look very bad in the face. I can wrap my hands around my bis, my quads are toothpicks, and the worse part was I was once a machine in college at 240 and solid....now, all I have is a six pack, no strength, etc....so, if that gets blurry, obviously I get depressed because I work so hard on keeping a clean diet, I do no cardio but that shouldnt matter....


NOW, the point of my thread..........why do I have to eat sooooo much more than he average person? I mean look at the diets around you....some dont eat all day save a bagel and coffee, a sandwhich for lunch, and dinner......and I'm eating every 2 hours......about 2800 cals, under 20g of carbs, under 100g of fat and under 250g of protein.....and I'm still skinnhy, frail, weak, feel like piss, etc. But it's much much more than the average and I dont do anything all day....just a high volume workout for 1.5 hours in the pm which I bullshi around a little to (I never did before, but I'm trying to balance life and just get in a good workout now....not concerned with strength I just want the size!.....so can anyone assist me? Jst an explanation.....pm me as I dont want want this to turn out to be another flame post......sorry if I wasted your time, but I'm scared....what would you do? Should I just eat my ass off for 1 week, eat everything, constantly eat....gain a little chub, but will it make me feel better? Sorry.....


i feeel ya brother...I was addicted to hydrocodones and oxycodones for almost 2 years,...I was eating around 10 to 15 dros per day...I watched my bank account diminish..I couldnt function at all without my dros....If i didnt have em I couldnt even move,...Im a full time college student, so I couldnt go threw withdrawl since my post grad work is very demanding...Well here is what saved my life maybe this can help you....One day I cuoldnt take it anymore, I went to my doctor and told him what was going on...I told him I couldnt face withdrawl cuz i needed to be on my game for school...He put me on 16 mg of Suboxone per day...I was on 16 mg for 2 months, and I felt great....then he droped me down to 8 mgs per day, then to 4, then to 2 and then to 2 every 2 days , then every three days, until I was finally off....I just got threw with the suboxone in april, so 1 month ago, I saved so much money that I bought myself 3 bottles of eq, 3 bottles of test and 2 bottles of deca....I have never felt better in my whole life...I havent taken a dro in almost 6 months and going strong...I havent had a suboxone in over a month and i feel great...that suboxone saved my life....once I got on the treatment, I never felt like shit ever again...It literally saved my life....continued my 4.0 gpa in grad school and never felt better....IMHO you need to go to a doctor and get help....immediatly, no more waiting around...Suboxone is a pain killer too, so If you have pain, that will help it as well, then if you still have pain when you are done, get on a non narcotic pain relever, there are many out there....good luck with everything....the main thing about gettin clean, is you have to want it more than anything else....thats what made the difference for me...i couldnt take it anymore, I wanted to get clean. I wanted to be normal again, and not have to make sure I had a dro just to go see a movie with my girl...thats how sick it was...I couldnt even go to the library to study unless i had dros...get help you can do it...If it worked for me its gotta work for you....good luck and stay strong and you can do it...
 
I to am a recovering drug addict,been clean 11years now.

Bro you need to get off of the drugs first and for most.It's great that you have admitted to your addiction.You need help and support now.Get your ass to NA pronto.Don't worry about diet and calories,get some clean time first.All that will come in time bro.Focus your life around getting clean,not diet and excercise.Before you know it you'll have your mental strenght back and then you can concentrate on the diet.Definetly keep working out though,thats good for your mental strenght.

Good luck to you
 
Acela said:
NA will help you get off. plenty of people are fucked up at NA meetings.
Absolutly!!! I have brought people into meetings who are trying to get recovery!! bro find i meeting and ask for help
 
I just did....Im going to go from here (ohio) to Florida I think......6 day rehab...NA is great for mentality and I will join to stay off, but I want this mess to end right now.

#1 I have an eating disorder....I'm fucking 150lbs....and 6'1

#2 I have a addiction to pain meds......I'm sooo scared to go to sleep tonight....this morning as soon as I woke, I was sweating myy ass off, then I got really cold, no energy, so I took 1/2 of an ox.....did nothing but give me a tiny buzz......tomorrow, I can sleep in a little, but I'm scared to wake up...even if I have to put a tab by my bed to help me get up...I just need to make it through the weekend and I'm off to rehab.....please guys.....experiences??? Is it because I am so fucking light? Am I going to die? This is a plea......I just got back from training half assed....had a shake, had 1/2 cp of oats.....now what do I do? Keep eating all night? Will that help? I'll do anhything.....if its pizza whatever...just help!
 
I'm 100% serious brotha.....forget everything I ever said...I just want to live......I am going to rehab in Florida hopefully next week.....but I'm so scared to go to sleep tonight, dont want to wake like I did today.....it was the worst.....hypo, lethargic, sweating purfusily........http:// www.novusdetox.com /facility. php
 
navigatorrs said:
Ill be tottally honest bro........All the things you listed in your post sound like the results of being addicted to opiates(Oxys). Being addicted to Oxys is no joke at all. IT causes depression in the worst way. Like you stated even things with the girl and family are bad. The sunk in face and all the other shit comes from Oxy use.
I have been were your at bro. You stated you know you have a addiction problem with the Oxys. Now you need to do something about that addiction as soon as possible. I have been clean for a while now, and my life is second to none!!!! Once you conqure this addiction, the other things will fall into place. This is a tough road bro but hang in there ,you can do this!!!!!!!!! Feel free to PM me any time bro. Were all here for ya!!!!!

I'd listen to what nav said
 
I love EF there is so many different personalities here....for real you got guys who will hit 1 gram of test/week and eat 5-6k calories a day and eat EVERYTHING to bulk....and others like this guy whos 150lbs and 6'1 with an eating disorder and addicted to oxy....I hope you get help bro, opiates are no joke neither is depression....seriously though, have you been checked for cancer or AIDS any shit like that?
 
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