NPP + Test Prop

[njmuscleguy]

Hey guys,

Want to run something by everyone.... started my current cycle a little over 2 weeks ago...here's what it looks like:

Wks 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED (might bump up to 40mg the last 2 weeks)
Wks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg ED
Wks 1-8 NPP 100mg EOD (started at 150 EOD, but dropped down to 100mg)
Wks 1-8 Proviron 50mg ED
AIFM 2-3 sprays ED

This is my first time using NPP and I've only had limited experience with Prop in the past. Also my first time with Dbol, so I guess there are a few variables here. I've gained about 10lbs so far, I'm not very bloated, though I can tell fat has increased some (I've been eating like a horse). I'm definitely stronger in the gym. The one thing that is bothering me is that I don't feel the same aggression and libido increase that I typically have experienced in past cycles (which have been either deca + test enth or tren + test enth). I figured that by week 2, I should've been on top of the world considering I'm running prop AND proviron. Libido isn't impressive... not sure if this is the dreaded "deca dick" since I've never had that problem before, even in deca cycles. Libido has always been through the roof in previous cycles.

Any thoughts as to what might be causing this?
Shouldn't NPP have less sides than deca?
Shouldn't the proviron be helping?
Does dbol kill libido? (For one, it makes me tired)
Is there anything I should try or do differently?

Any help or feedback is greatly appreciated guys!
Thanks!

 

[mikefear]

First of all, are you sure the gear is good?

Secondly, some people react more sensitively to nandrolone..

Drop the AIFM to 2 sprays a day.. 700mg test/400mg npp :drool:

 

[njmuscleguy]

I figured someone would ask that... I'm 99.9% the gear is legit, though it is my first time ordering from this source.... he has tons of people vouching for him...plus a buddy of mine is running the same stuff (we ordered it together) and it's working well for him... the only difference is that he's shooting both EOD and he's using Aromasin instead of AIFM

I've never had a problem with deca in the past.... didn't think I'd have a problem with NPP

 

[X Man]

I figured someone would ask that... I'm 99.9% the gear is legit, though it is my first time ordering from this source.... he has tons of people vouching for him...plus a buddy of mine is running the same stuff (we ordered it together) and it's working well for him... the only difference is that he's shooting both EOD and he's using Aromasin instead of AIFM

I've never had a problem with deca in the past.... didn't think I'd have a problem with NPP

10 lbs isnt bad at all!

but the libido factor concerns me.... im horny as shit off cycle on 50mgs of proviron...

npp should cuase minimal deca dick as oppse to long ester deca...


but dbol should take care of both of these problems....

 

[solidspine]

I think it looks great,

Especially if you can handle the prop every day.

Should get great results.

 

[njmuscleguy]

10 lbs isnt bad at all!

but the libido factor concerns me.... im horny as shit off cycle on 50mgs of proviron...

npp should cuase minimal deca dick as oppse to long ester deca...


but dbol should take care of both of these problems....

I'm happy with the weight gain...I didn't want to blow up with 20+ pounds of water in a few weeks.... but as you said, the libido factor... not sure why it's not kicking in yet

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, so I'm getting alot of responses regarding my AIFM dosage... I might be using too much... I typically do 2 sprays in the morning and I've been sporadically doing 1 more spray at night....not every day though... maybe I *am* using too much? My only concern is that I'm using dbol and I can tell that my body just wants to blow up like a balloon... I skipped AIFM 2 days ago and the next day my face was huge... I'll try 1 spray in the morning and then 1 at night and see how that goes....

 

[AhMadKooL]

NPP is still deca but with a shorter ester. So you might be experiencing deca dick....

 

[njmuscleguy]

but I've run deca several times before, even without proviron (just test), and I never had deca dick or any kind of libido issues

 

[AhMadKooL]

but I've run deca several times before, even without proviron (just test), and I never had deca dick or any kind of libido issues

I've heard of many people who don't get deca dick in the first couple of times they use it but then they get it. Plus maybe because it's a shorter ester so it's acting in a slightly different way by hitting you faster or harder

 

[njmuscleguy]

could be.... like I said, this is my first go-around with NPP... I'm gonna scale down the AIFM for a while and see if that helps at all.... thanks

 

[X Man]

here is the deal... everyone re acts to diff compounds in their own uniqe way... that being said...

if ur running the prop and the npp at a fairly close ratio, the test may not be high enough to counteract the deca dick...

the dbol must be legit unless ur prone to bloating off of prop or npp..which i guess u dont know because ur not vey familiar with how the compounds re act in you.

--if the dbol is legit it should pick up with the test and beat the hell out of any deca dick you may be having and you should be peter north--


regardless of all of this... even if the test is fake... 50mg of proviron keeps me rock hard, even coming off of a tren cycle.... idk how straight proviron works with you though...?


in short there are soooo many factors that could be effectings you i just dont know where to start

 

[njmuscleguy]

thanks X

well, I'm pretty sure all the gear is legit, including the dbol and proviron...

I'm running the prop at almost twice as much as the NPP (700mg / 400mg)... so I figured that would be enough to off-set any libido-killing effects of the NPP

 

[SwolK]

give it another week. even though prop is fast acting, my libido did not go through the roof until weeks 3 or 4. So, i would think within a week or two you will feel it

 

[njmuscleguy]

give it another week. even though prop is fast acting, my libido did not go through the roof until weeks 3 or 4. So, i would think within a week or two you will feel it

You may be right.... things usually take a while to take effect for me, no matter what it is... and I tend to have lower nat test levels, so I'm thinking that has something to do with it too.... I'll see how things fare in about another week... thanks bro!

 

[glover]

You have to give it more time. Two weeks is really too early to determione. I have run NPP and Prop and just NPP by itself a few times and you should not see any decrease in libido until the end of cycle. Just use the prop a week or two after quiting NPP. That works for me.

 

[X Man]

thanks X

well, I'm pretty sure all the gear is legit, including the dbol and proviron...

I'm running the prop at almost twice as much as the NPP (700mg / 400mg)... so I figured that would be enough to off-set any libido-killing effects of the NPP

no prob bro... if ur sure ur gear is legit... just give it a lil while longer... sounds to me like u got everything in check...


remeber 10 lbs lean as u are describing ur gains. is very good, i myself tend to get too anxious for gains too quickly


however i do understand ur point... one of my favorite parts of the cycle is not just being the best in the gym.... its being the best on friday night with Double D's in ur face ahahahahahh

 

[njmuscleguy]

glover / X-man: I'll give it more time... if it does wind up taking a few weeks to kick in, next time I may re-consider using fast-acting esters like prop and npp... it wouldn't be worth the ED / EOD pokes... I'd rather kick-start with an oral then just use enth's

Thanks!

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

and I tend to have lower nat test levels, so I'm thinking that has something to do with it too....

...which brings me to my question ...if i remember correctly you had some PCT issues ...right??? ...if so how did you resolve them?
...or basically how did all that end up?

Wks 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED (might bump up to 40mg the last 2 weeks)
Wks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg ED
Wks 1-8 NPP 100mg EOD (started at 150 EOD, but dropped down to 100mg)
Wks 1-8 Proviron 50mg ED
AIFM 2-3 sprays ED

seconnd observation ...lucky you! ...all of your compounds are fast acting ...which makes them easy to play around with and adjust

that being said, i have a few thoughts:
NPP may be hitting you harder than reg DECA (so drop it to 75mg EOD)
at the same time increase the PROP by 25mg EOD (so basically you getting an extra 100mg PROP a week ...i.e. MON 100mg - TUE 125mg)

cut the AIFM to 2 sprays a day
(maybe one in the AM and another in the PM ...this stuff really is powerful and don't forget PROV also act as an anti-E)
if you start to bloat cut the DBOL to 20mg (or consider saving it for another cycle)

other possiblities could very well be too many fast acting compounds hitting you all at once shutting you down hard after maybe a "not so good" recovery from prior PCT??? i dunno???

Mr. NPP shuts you down hard and make no mistake about it so will Mr. DBOL (maybe they're too much as a combo???) ...which may lead one to believe that you may be asking too much from Mr. PROV in way of libido

last thing i'll leave you with is nobody know your body better than you and with these fast acting compounds you can easily adjust you doses up or down and note the results of said adjustments fairly quickly ...in short don't doubt your experience, i know you know what you're doin' NJ

 

[njmuscleguy]

good memory...yes, I've had alot of trouble with previous PCT's, and my last one was no different... my doctor managed to botch up my bloodwork and the labs didn't wind up measuring my test levels after my last PCT - but I could *feel* that it didn't work... or at least, even if it did work, my test levels still didn't get back to "normal"

I'm gonna start slow by reducing AIFM quantity... I'll try tinkering prop & NPP dosages if I have to... then I'll try my luck at PCT one more time and see how well I recover...

thanks sun!

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

thanks sun!

my pleasure ...it's nice to be able help you, even if it's only remotely, NJ ...cuz you're always helping everbody you can ...i know ...i read your posts

 

[njmuscleguy]

my pleasure ...it's nice to be able help you, even if it's only remotely, NJ ...cuz you're always helping everbody you can ...i know ...i read your posts

thanks again for the kind words.... I do what I can to help, I know I appreciate it alot when others do the same for me!