npp n tren n eq?

[rugbybear]

ok guys this is for my second cycle.

I am wanting to gain a small amount of mass (currently at 217, long term target is to get to 225 ish at 8%bf) but would like to make all that mass as lean as possible. I would also like to gain a large amount of strength, my long term target is 450lb deadlift for 5, currently at 365 for 5. I will add only extra protein, and some carbs after training.

Now I know that this is not the optimum cycle for strength, but I like what i have heard about npp and the strength from tren, but would really like the extra rbc from eq as I play rubgy (no its not tested at the level i play at).

my question is:

in chemical muscle enhancement it is stated that there is no point mixing a nandrolone and eq as their actions are similar, so would you guys do it?

And in what amounts?

Maybe it should look like this:
wk 1-12 eq 300/wk
wk 1-15 npp 300/wk (100mg eod)
wk 1-6 50mg tren eod

I could add var after the tren is finished, or should i run the tren all the way?

I have pct available, but how shut down will i be from this lot?

If anyone has any other suggestions please dont hesitate to add them.

I know its a lot of questions but i would like to get this info sorted well in advance of actually getting my gear and starting around 1st week of march.

cheers
RB

 

[rugbybear]

forgot to add,

first cycle was,

deca wk1-6 200mg/wk
dbool 1-3 30mg/day
winny 5,6 20mg/day
nolva n proviron wk5,6,7
gained 20lb
on week 8 now

 

[dali]

I recommend a few changes:
-add Test 500mg wks 1-15
-bump the EQ up to 500mg
-NPP at 100eod is 350mg not 300mg per week
-bump the Tren up to 75mg eod

 

[rugbybear]

cheers dali,
didnt want to add test because of the aromatisation, i appreciate that it will enhance the gains, but then that would be a lot of shit in my system remember it is is only my second cycle.
only reason that i was going to do the eq at that level was because of the other stuff in there, you obviously think that i would simply gain more from doing it at this amount.
yeah soz about the npp amounts, just being lazy!
baseline reommendation for tren is 50mg eod, as with the eq didnt want to overdo it on my second, especially seeing that i got good gains from my first.

 

[rugbybear]

bump

 

[Dial_tone]

Moderate amt of size, alot of strength. 500mg test EW, 40mg anavar ED, 0.5mg arimidex EOD...done deal.

 

[genarr3]

Your cycle is fine just the way it is. I did a similar stack withot the Tren and it was kick ass. Deca & EQ are a great combination, great strength gains.

The only other addition I had was Proviron at 25mgs/ED. It might be a good idea for you to add either that or test at a low dose for libido issues.

 

[Mavy]

I agree .... you are alright how you have it, but I would up the EQ dose a little more. I find that you need a higher dosage than deca for optimal results. Also, a light dose of test wouldnt hurt in all honselty, but you dont have to. I am going to be running a similar cycle to this consisting of EQ, Prop, NPP and var. I would try yours like this.

Maybe it should look like this:
wk 1-10: eq 500/wk
wk 1-13: npp 350/wk (=100mg eod)
wk 1-6: 50mg tren eod
wk 7-13: Var 40mgs/day.

Followed by PCT.

 

[Mavy]

If you ever have the choice add var! Bump something out if you have to! Instead of the tren in the above cycle, I would rather run Sustanon at 250mg/wk for as long as you run the EQ and do the Var for the first 6 wks instead of tren. Like this.

wk 1-10: eq 500/wk
wk 1-10: Sust 250/wk
wk 1-13: npp 350/wk (=100mg eod)
wk 1-6: Var 40mgs/day.

You wont get into trouble with a mild dose of sust like that. Not anymore than you would with tren anyways.
Mavy

 

[jubei]

I don't feel comfortable advocating the use of NPP and tren together. If you want strength and a little lean mass why not:

Week 1-8 50mg winstrol ed
Week 1-8 75mg tren acetate ed
Week 1-8 75 mg test prop eod

 

[bicepts101]

I don't feel comfortable advocating the use of NPP and tren together. If you want strength and a little lean mass why not:

Week 1-8 50mg winstrol ed
Week 1-8 75mg tren acetate ed
Week 1-8 75 mg test prop eod

good cycle here i'de go with this

 

[rugbybear]

thanks for all your replys guys

jubei, why dont you recommend tren and npp together?

 

[rugbybear]

Moderate amt of size, alot of strength. 500mg test EW, 40mg anavar ED, 0.5mg arimidex EOD...done deal.

i like this,
very simple, and i can get a good appreciation of how some new chemicals affect me. one of my concerns with the cycle i touted was that i would probably struggle to discern what was doing what.

 

[rugbybear]

Your cycle is fine just the way it is. I did a similar stack withot the Tren and it was kick ass. Deca & EQ are a great combination, great strength gains.

The only other addition I had was Proviron at 25mgs/ED. It might be a good idea for you to add either that or test at a low dose for libido issues.

cheers g3,

if i was going to add some test i would add some proviron and nolva anyway to combat any bloat.

i know that some estrogen is needed to promote full gains, but i would rather sacrifice some end gains than look puffy and get pumped like i did off dbol (although that might have been the dbol rather than the bloat)

 

[rugbybear]

If you ever have the choice add var! Bump something out if you have to! Instead of the tren in the above cycle, I would rather run Sustanon at 250mg/wk for as long as you run the EQ and do the Var for the first 6 wks instead of tren. Like this.

wk 1-10: eq 500/wk
wk 1-10: Sust 250/wk
wk 1-13: npp 350/wk (=100mg eod)
wk 1-6: Var 40mgs/day.

You wont get into trouble with a mild dose of sust like that. Not anymore than you would with tren anyways.
Mavy

ohh yeah i like this!
all apart from the var can be made cheap by making from powder, maybe not sus, but i can get that real cheap anyway, this cycle may well be my choice...