NPP Instead of Orals?

[Texas Monster]

Hey All,

So I been Thinking about maybe that jump starting with npp might be better than with an oral as to save your liver throughout the cycle.

I mean Why would you want to start attacking your liver right out the gate right?

Anyways I been thinking of a cycle like this. What do you guys think.

Week 1-16,18 Test c 500mg
Week 1-12,16 Eq 600mg
Week 1-6 NPP 100mg eod
Last 6 weeks. Winstrol 60 mg ed

I was thinking that the fist six weeks you could get that fast jumpstart from npp and then right about week 7 you could start to get the effects of EQ and Test. Then at the end throw in some winny to polish it off and add some better pump and vascularity while going into pct.

What do you guys think?

Or should the NPP be ran 8 weeks?

Dont be jumping on the best way to help is with stats. I am not running this cycle I just want to hear peoples point of view and or experience with any kind of cycle like this.

 

[psizzle_8]

Stats?

Jk. What are your goals?

 

[Texas Monster]

Goals on this cycle would to be put on quality Mass. Hard emphasis on quality! Not just the size factor from having water mass. It would be aimed towards being able to steadily put on mass at a good rate while keeping Bf low.

Probably stack some Masteron in there as well to help with this?

 

[oxymoron]

Interesting idea TM. Should take npp 1-2 wks to kick so that may work out pretty well. I've noticed effects from short esters quicker with ed pins instead of eod... something to consider.

 

[psizzle_8]

One of the most successful cycles I ever ran was an NPP/primo run and finished it up with masteron.

 

[Texas Monster]

See I am trying to get away from orals. I can handle them but they make recovery harder from the health point of view.

When you take orals it does not only affect your liver, your liver will pass by product into the bloodstream that affects your kidneys as well as your heart.

So maybe instead of winny set up some primo at the end?

 

[RickRock13]

NPP works pretty fast and well, so I see no problem with your cycle going without any orals. You should get some nice size from that. I'm planning to run Test and NPP myself this winter

 

[Kbordner]

I like it... Well thought out. I always feel better with all injects and no orals. I think orals are better with 6% BF or below.

 

[Texas Monster]

My question on this type of cycle would be when or if to drop your test dosage.

I know for me around week 14-15 Test at 500 mg didnt give me the same effects anymore....so would it be more beneficial to just drop the test to say 250 a week and cruise on that till pct: OR

Does by adding the eq in keep that synergystic effect and make the effects of test last longer????????

A lot of people say to run eq for longer but is it really necessary to run the test that high along with it?

My reasoning behind this question is due to thinking about dosage and cycle "lengths" for effective gains vs sides.

Example
Test c you will make most of your gains from weeks 8 to 12,13,14 depending on experience.
Deca takes a little while longer to kick in but still has longer lasting effects alowing it to be ran for around 14 weeks.
Eq A lot of people say to run this for 16 weeks to get the full effects of eq.

My qualm with this is that if you stop too early some people say that they do not get the full benefits and wish they would have ran it for longer. Along with personal experience I know I would of been disapointed if I did not wait till week 12 of running test.

On the other hand if you run your dosages ( which are high ) for to long you start to skew on the line of benefits v sides and end up not getting any return while battling the sides. Example after running test c at 500 mg past week 14 your body adapts and the high dosages become homeostasis and thus you are not making the signifigant gains anymore.....they just become normal to you. When this happens you are loosing the benfits of AAS and are just battling the side effects namely high estrogen in this case.

This is probably a very interesting question that needs answers from the expertise of the pros. Hopefully one of the other mods can jump in and say something.


So this leads me to think more about longer cycles and what makes them effective as far as dosages and lengths.

So what would be the difference between this cycle
Week 1-16,18 test c 500mg
Week 1-12,16 Eq 600mg
Week 1-6 NPP 100mg eod
Last 6 weeks. Winstrol 60 mg ED

And this cycle
Week 1-12 test c 500 mg
Week 13-20 test c 250mg
Week 1-16 eq 600mg
Week 1-6 npp 100mg eod

The only differnces I would be seeing is the trade off of sides v gains as far as the test dosage goes. Running the first cycle test dosage for that long would be considered overkill correct?

However the second cycle would reap the benefits of both the test, and the eq because they were ran at the most effective dosage in the most effective time range.

What do other people think about this?