NPP 200mg EOD vs NPP 100mg ED ???

[AAP]

which is better? and why?

 

[Dial_tone]

with a 3-4 day halflife at some point the injection frequency becomes overkill. For me re-injecting when half of the half-life has expired is the most you need to go.

 

[genarr3]

I personally would use it EOD. More frequent injects are always better from a hormone level standpoint, but ED injects get old real fast.

 

[Mavy]

I dont think that you would notice 1 thing different ... except more pin holes in your glutes.

 

[AAP]

The reason I ask... I have 200mg NPP and it is leaving awful swelling and pain at the injection site. I am shooting 1cc (200mg) and 1 cc test cyp EOD and even cutting it with cyp is doing nothing. I thought maybe using 1/2 a cc (100mg) ED would have less of the NPP in each inject area and hurt less.

I am going to try to bake it.

 

[Dial_tone]

how about cut it with more straight filtered oil.

 

[jerkbox]

is it underground lab?

 

[AAP]

is it underground lab?

Yes.



P.S. I don't think I can fit more than 2cc's of oil in each bicep. I want to keep the inject volume down if possible.

 

[Dial_tone]

you can probably get 4ml into those coconut delts

 

[Mavy]

It hurts because it is 200mg/ml. Who is making NPP at that high of a concentration? Is it S**ra?? Most human grade stuff is between 25-50mgs/ml. BM is the only one I know that goes as high as 100.

 

[AAP]

It hurts because it is 200mg/ml. Who is making NPP at that high of a concentration? Is it S**ra??

Yes. And I can say 5 days after the shot, each site is STILL sore to touch. Still red and swollen. In another week, I am going to look like a giraffe with spots all over.

 

[Ulter]

I don't have that problem with their NPP. I use it E3D. It's half-life is 4.5 days so you don't need to shoot as often as you are.

 

[Mavy]

I wouldnt shoot it in my bis either bro? Are you running anything else with it? If its 200mg/ml, I would run it like Ulter is ... E3D. Left glute, right glute, delts. Keep the rotation going like that.

 

[AAP]

I am unable to do glute shots. Because every single time I try them, when I twist around and reach back... I have the most god awful cramp it hit my lat and upper scapula area. then I am staggering around hunched over like Quasimodo. So I am pretty much limited to biceps, shoulders and chest. Which last cycle, I had no problems with those areas.

I think it is the NPP. I am running Orbit test cyp 250 with it and just to test it out, I chose my left delt (which I hadn't taken a shot in for about 7 months since my last cycle) and just shot 1cc of NPP 200mg. And it did the same. Swole up, turned red and hot, hurt like hell. got a big ol' lump jutting out of it.

I have never had any problems with the EQ and winstrol I have used from S**** and the guys I know (in real life) that used their other products have always raved about them being top quality and no problems. Maybe I got an unlucky batch. That is why I was going to bake it.

 

[Mandinka2]

Cant you get ur partner to shoot it for u AAP , ed injects are fine for me.

 

[Dial_tone]

I am unable to do glute shots. Because every single time I try them, when I twist around and reach back... I have the most god awful cramp it hit my lat and upper scapula area. then I am staggering around hunched over like Quasimodo.

Why do you have to twist around? I just face forward and extend my arm behind me as if i'm doing a tricep kickback then come forward with the needle. I use the mirror to see what i'm doing.

 

[biogeared]

How bout using quads or calves to inject? Theyre pretty easy sites.

 

[AAP]

Cant you get ur partner to shoot it for u AAP , ed injects are fine for me.

Nuh-Uh! He doesn't know anything about this. I want to keep it that way.

 

[AAP]

Why do you have to twist around? I just face forward and extend my arm behind me as if i'm doing a tricep kickback then come forward with the needle. I use the mirror to see what i'm doing.

I can't do that shit. I tried. I have to see with my own eyes what is happening. I can't go by the mirror reflection. That was the first thing I tried before opting out all together.

 

[AAP]

How bout using quads or calves to inject? Theyre pretty easy sites.

Quad shots leave me crippled for days. I can't shoot them. Even when I was using EQ and had no pain what-so-ever. Quads are a no-no in my book. And by pain, I mean on-the-verge-of-tears when walking. Walking with a deformitory type limp.

Calves? **looks down** We aren't suppose to inject in a vein.

Really though, I have no problems with WHERE I am shooting... it is WHAT I am shooting. I find biceps, shoulders and chest very easy and painless. It is just this stuff is eating me up right now. Whoa!!!

 

[Dial_tone]

This must be one of those 'white men can't jump' things because in all my years of juicing I've never once had any pain after a shot.

 

[biogeared]

lol. I guess I know what you mean. Quad shots are somewhat crippling but I can deal with it.

I remember seeing a pic of ur calve. And wow! I guess there are a lot of viens there.

You could be a crazy fucker like Dr. M and inject in your forearm.

 

[AAP]

This must be one of those 'white men can't jump' things because in all my years of juicing I've never once had any pain after a shot.

Try this. It will change your mind. Fast.

Hopefully, when I finish baking it (doing it 2x @ 250 degrees.) it will be tolerable.

 

[biogeared]

Try this. It will change your mind. Fast.

Hopefully, when I finish baking it (doing it 2x @ 250 degrees.) it will be tolerable.

im curious as to why baking gear makes it less painful?

 

[Mandinka2]

im curious as to why baking gear makes it less painful?

Alcohol boils at 78 degrees(centigrade) so baking it should remove a little bit of the alcohol and maintain or even improve sterility , if I'm wrong about this then let me know.

 

[AAP]

Well I baked it and took a shot last night and I can tell a WORLD of difference. No redness. No swelling. No PAIN!!!!

I hope I didn't hurt my gear doing this. VETS? Chemists? Miss Cleo?

 

[Ulter]

No you didn't hurt it, assuming you didn't over cook it, you just took some of the solvent out.

 

[Mavy]

What did you bake it in?

 

[AAP]

Thanks ulter.

Mavy - I baked it in my oven. ??
Seriously now, I placed a piece of aluminum foil in the rack in my oven, inserted a 18g needle in the top of the bottle and placed the vial and needle on the aluminum foil. 250 degrees for 20 mins... took it out for 20 mins and then put it back in for another 20 mins. Let it sit 8 hours, shook it up good and then withdrew and injected.

 

[Mavy]

Interesting bro .. I ask because I have never baked gear before. I thought that baking it in the glass vial would get it extrmemly hot (hotter than the oven temp) and possibly denature it?

Good luck though .. .lets hope you didnt kill any of the NPP. Why didnt you just get some of the BM stuff? Its half the dosage, but I have yet to here of a pain complaint.

Mavy

 

[AAP]

Interesting bro .. I ask because I have never baked gear before. I thought that baking it in the glass vial would get it extrmemly hot (hotter than the oven temp) and possibly denature it?

Good luck though .. .lets hope you didnt kill any of the NPP. Why didnt you just get some of the BM stuff? Its half the dosage, but I have yet to here of a pain complaint.

Mavy

Who/what is BM? I haven't heard of them before.

 

[Dial_tone]

BM Pharmaceuticals India Dubol-100 100mg/ml, 2ml vial

 

[Mavy]

Yep DT nailed it. Dubol seem to be the standard for NPP. There aint to much out there for human grade at 100mg/ml except for BM. Dont get me wrong, S***a is good, but I would always go human grade first if you get the chance. It would not be as painfull, but then again, probably because it is half the dosage. I bet if you cut yours to equal BMs dosage the pain would go away.

 

[AAP]

Ok, I have heard of dubols before... was unfamiliar with BM.

Here is the deal. I looked for Dubols. All over. About 5-6 different people and NO ONE had any, nor stocked any. It was like mythical. Everybody could get it but me. So......

 

[eviction]

The reason I ask... I have 200mg NPP and it is leaving awful swelling and pain at the injection site. I am shooting 1cc (200mg) and 1 cc test cyp EOD and even cutting it with cyp is doing nothing. I thought maybe using 1/2 a cc (100mg) ED would have less of the NPP in each inject area and hurt less.

I am going to try to bake it.

what brand are you using? I had very little pain with my BM DUBOL's. I did 2cc e3d. (100mg/ml)

 

[AAP]

Ok.... I baked it. It went in smooth. No pain that night. No pain the next day. Today however, same fucking result. Big ass fucking red swollen lump in my chest like a Jurassic mosquito bite. Hurts like a mofo.

 

[biogeared]

Ok.... I baked it. It went in smooth. No pain that night. No pain the next day. Today however, same fucking result. Big ass fucking red swollen lump in my chest like a Jurassic mosquito bite. Hurts like a mofo.

ive heard cutting with b-12 helps. I have no idea how accurate that statement is though, plus it does mean more volume.

 

[AAP]

Can I just drink this stuff?




























*runs out of room*


Ok, seriously, this is bitching. I need a hug. (dont touch my chest though, it hurts)

 

[georgie24]

shit app all the bitching your doing. your not even telling us if its kicking in or what. can you "feel" anything? besides the pain lol

 

[AAP]

shit app all the bitching your doing. your not even telling us if its kicking in or what. can you "feel" anything? besides the pain lol

It has only been a week. 3 shots. And right now, the welt is cigar shaped going across my chest. I have pain extending my arms to the front or back. I mean, I can stand 10 feet away and still see a bright red splotch on my chest in the mirror.

 

[browndog1]

why don't you get some sterile oil from a kit supplier and just add some to cut the strength of the solution? That's what I did when I had 250mg/mL prop - I couldn't walk for days after a shot of that. Then I cut it with an equal amount of oil and I was fine.

...bd

 

[AAP]

why don't you get some sterile oil from a kit supplier and just add some to cut the strength of the solution? That's what I did when I had 250mg/mL prop - I couldn't walk for days after a shot of that. Then I cut it with an equal amount of oil and I was fine.

...bd

Great idea. Anyone else try this before? You just pour the two together and shake it up?

 

[eviction]

I can't do that shit. I tried. I have to see with my own eyes what is happening. I can't go by the mirror reflection. That was the first thing I tried before opting out all together.

i rotated quads and delts when i did npp e3d

 

[AAP]

i rotated quads and delts when i did npp e3d

what brand. was there pain?

 

[geoboy]

Yes. (its underground lab)

which one??

 

[Retabolil2]

I don't have that problem with their NPP. I use it E3D. It's half-life is 4.5 days so you don't need to shoot as often as you are.

As Ulter said I see no reason to inject it so often. Also if your NPP is 200mg/1ml or at least close to it then it will sting, I guarantee you that. Get yourself 100mg/1ml. Hell why use test 400 or NPP 200mg/1ml?! Real pharmaceutical company will never produce anything like that! its not as soluble as ND, that is also a reason you will never see 250mg/1ml primo!

 

[BigAndy69]

200mg of a phenylprop ester in 1ml will hurt no matter what.

As far as the dubols....they are getting harder to find my favorite AS of all time

 

[jubei]

I've got some ready to use...hehe they're all mine you can't have any.

 

[AAP]

Apparently the phenylprop ester is very very similiar to bee venom. I have never been stung by a bee, but I would judge that I am allergic to them the way I swelled up and lumped up from using NPP those 10 days.

 

[geoboy]

Apparently the phenylprop ester is very very similiar to bee venom. I have never been stung by a bee, but I would judge that I am allergic to them the way I swelled up and lumped up from using NPP those 10 days.

I've read that the BD (British Dragon) NPP doesn't sting. whats the word on that?

 

[VeteranNewbie88]

It has only been a week. 3 shots. And right now, the welt is cigar shaped going across my chest. I have pain extending my arms to the front or back. I mean, I can stand 10 feet away and still see a bright red splotch on my chest in the mirror.

The Chest is NOT an optimal injection site....neither are calves for that matter...

 

[androjunkie]

Why do you have to twist around? I just face forward and extend my arm behind me as if i'm doing a tricep kickback then come forward with the needle. I use the mirror to see what i'm doing.

How do you manage to aspirate, doing it like that?