novadex question?

[BIGPAPA511]

I just started back running some test I front loaded with 750mg enathanate on wednsday and will be sticking with just 500mg every week for around 10-12 weeks. I never have used novadex before cause I am one of the lucky ones that does not get gyno and I have done my fare share of shit 1000mg or more no problems. I want to try novadex to keep my water retension down. If I front loaded 750mg enathanate last wednsday and I am going to do 500mg every week when sould I start taking my novadex and how much should I take a day.

my stats:
35 years old
lifting for 21years
5'11 298lbs I know someone is going to ask my body fat% so I will say I am 30lbs over were I should be don't know my % but I know my body and my weight.

 

[Indy]

I just started back running some test I front loaded with 750mg enathanate on wednsday and will be sticking with just 500mg every week for around 10-12 weeks. I never have used novadex before cause I am one of the lucky ones that does not get gyno and I have done my fare share of shit 1000mg or more no problems. I want to try novadex to keep my water retension down. If I front loaded 750mg enathanate last wednsday and I am going to do 500mg every week when sould I start taking my novadex and how much should I take a day.

my stats:
35 years old
lifting for 21years
5'11 298lbs I know someone is going to ask my body fat% so I will say I am 30lbs over were I should be don't know my % but I know my body and my weight.

I try to not start using anti-e's until I need them, I allow a little bloat to start up front. When I do use them, I run them entire cycle. You might find arimidex or proviron a bit stronger for stopping estrogen, hence keeping water retention down.

 

[Mr.X]

I just started back running some test I front loaded with 750mg enathanate on wednsday and will be sticking with just 500mg every week for around 10-12 weeks. I never have used novadex before cause I am one of the lucky ones that does not get gyno and I have done my fare share of shit 1000mg or more no problems. I want to try novadex to keep my water retension down. If I front loaded 750mg enathanate last wednsday and I am going to do 500mg every week when sould I start taking my novadex and how much should I take a day.

my stats:
35 years old
lifting for 21years
5'11 298lbs I know someone is going to ask my body fat% so I will say I am 30lbs over were I should be don't know my % but I know my body and my weight.

You need to be running your anti-Es the whole cycle. Add .25mgs of Arimidex ED.

 

[Mr.X]

I try to not start using anti-e's until I need them, I allow a little bloat to start up front. .

that's a bad idea....

 

[Rickdarula]

that's a bad idea....

Why is bloat considered bad. I thought the edema is what creates the hydraulic effect in your muscles allowing you to achieve greater contractions which can increase your strength. Also, holding the extra water in and around your connective tissues might help prevent injury (microtrama) in the form of extra lubrication.

Obviously edema can be dangerous if it gets out of control placing alot of stress on the kidneys and of course raising your bp.

Do you suggest eradicating it with anti-e's from the get go is safer and smarter than monitoring the effects of edema and other estrogenic sides without them and then adding anti-e's if sides start to arise?

TIA //Rick

 

[Mr.X]

Why is bloat considered bad. I thought the edema is what creates the hydraulic effect in your muscles allowing you to achieve greater contractions which can increase your strength. Also, holding the extra water in and around your connective tissues might help prevent injury (microtrama) in the form of extra lubrication.

Obviously edema can be dangerous if it gets out of control placing alot of stress on the kidneys and of course raising your bp.

Do you suggest eradicating it with anti-e's from the get go is safer and smarter than monitoring the effects of edema and other estrogenic sides without them and then adding anti-e's if sides start to arise?

TIA //Rick

Here is a few reasons: blood pressure, bloating, kidney stress, gynecomastia and the list goes on.

Eradicating anti-Es is not smart and not safe, as most bodybuilders on here will NOT "monitor" their sides and will end up getting gyno or worse problems. You don't need a reactive solution, you need a proactive solution to estrogen.

 

[Rickdarula]

Here is a few reasons: blood pressure, bloating, kidney stress, gynecomastia and the list goes on.

Eradicating anti-Es is not smart and not safe, as most bodybuilders on here will NOT "monitor" their sides and will end up getting gyno or worse problems. You don't need a reactive solution, you need a proactive solution to estrogen.

That def makes sense, seeing as a lot of bro's just shoot now and ask questions later. However, if you are in tune with your body, done your home work and closely monitor potential estrogen related sides would you still advise against not running with an anti-e from jumpstreet and just keeping a-dex on hand in case something were to arise?

Also, this is a different topic that I posted on the PCT forum that is yet to be answered.

Is A-dex an ideal replacement for clomid/nolvadex for PCT when you run it along with HCG?

Thanks bro //Rick

 

[djsf]

Anti-e's for the whole cycle, or only as needed.

Interesting question. It all comes down to what your goals are. As with everything, there are tradeoffs involved.

If you want to get as huge and massive as possible, including accepting some estrogen-related bloat (which a lot of guys like) then you can use anti-e's only on an as-needed basis.

If you are willing to accept less gains (or I should say lean gains without a trace of bloat) and you want to stay shredded for your whole cycle, OR if you want to play it safe and minimize the risks of gyno and the moodiness associated with high estrogen levels, then I would take arimidex from 3 days before your first shot until all the way through PCT. If your test is less than 500mg/week, .5mg/day should suffice. for much more than 500mg test a week, I would use 1mg dex daily.

 

[Slyder190]

40mgs/day I'd say, but you're much better running Aromasin.

 

[Rickdarula]

Anti-e's for the whole cycle, or only as needed.

Interesting question. It all comes down to what your goals are. As with everything, there are tradeoffs involved.

If you want to get as huge and massive as possible, including accepting some estrogen-related bloat (which a lot of guys like) then you can use anti-e's only on an as-needed basis.

If you are willing to accept less gains (or I should say lean gains without a trace of bloat) and you want to stay shredded for your whole cycle, OR if you want to play it safe and minimize the risks of gyno and the moodiness associated with high estrogen levels, then I would take arimidex from 3 days before your first shot until all the way through PCT. If your test is less than 500mg/week, .5mg/day should suffice. for much more than 500mg test a week, I would use 1mg dex daily.

So if one were to choose to run A-dex from the start on 500mg of sus and 400mg of Deca a week would 1mg every other day suffice?

How about PCT. Is it advisable to use the A-dex along with HCG for proper PCT or would Nolva/Clomid be superior to A-dex in that regard?

 

[Indy]

Why is bloat considered bad. I thought the edema is what creates the hydraulic effect in your muscles allowing you to achieve greater contractions which can increase your strength. Also, holding the extra water in and around your connective tissues might help prevent injury (microtrama) in the form of extra lubrication.

Obviously edema can be dangerous if it gets out of control placing alot of stress on the kidneys and of course raising your bp.

Do you suggest eradicating it with anti-e's from the get go is safer and smarter than monitoring the effects of edema and other estrogenic sides without them and then adding anti-e's if sides start to arise?

TIA //Rick

BP and heart are the top of my list for bloat issues.

 

[zips92]

I just started back running some test I front loaded with 750mg enathanate on wednsday and will be sticking with just 500mg every week for around 10-12 weeks. I never have used novadex before cause I am one of the lucky ones that does not get gyno and I have done my fare share of shit 1000mg or more no problems. I want to try novadex to keep my water retension down. If I front loaded 750mg enathanate last wednsday and I am going to do 500mg every week when sould I start taking my novadex and how much should I take a day.

Bro, as many have mentioned, for what you have outlined, you would be better served to utilize proviron or A-dex in lieu of nolvadex.

If problems have already materialized (puffy nips for example), then take the nolva at 40 mg/day until the problem goes away. You can take nolvadex throughout the cycle, but once you stop taking at the end, there is a good possibility of estrogen rebound.

 

[zips92]

So if one were to choose to run A-dex from the start on 500mg of sus and 400mg of Deca a week would 1mg every other day suffice?

How about PCT. Is it advisable to use the A-dex along with HCG for proper PCT or would Nolva/Clomid be superior to A-dex in that regard?

There are so many opinions and threads on HCG, you may never get a consensus, however, general suggestion seems to be start using about two weeks before the end of your cycle, and continue about two weeks after, being sure to follow with nolva or clomid at least 2-3 weeks after last HCG injection.

Arimidex is not necessarily ideal for continuation post-cycle, clomid and nolva are better suiited for this. If you can afford it, an aromatase inhibitor [A-dex, proviron, aromasin, femera (letro)] can be used throughout cycle to prevent formation of estrogen altogether. Each of these inhibitors are a little bit different, but serve the same basic concept. Proviron stacks well with test and can help increase its yield in the blood.

Note, when you are off-cycle, and you completely eliminate the estrogen hormone altogether (by taking an AI instead of blocking with nolva/clomid) from your body when your endogenous test levels are not back up to normal, this can lead to dangerously low hormone levels and some problems you don't want.