Not Another T3 Post...

[escher]

I lied--yes it is.

Simple query, in three parts:

1) What are some of the most positive results anyone has seen using T3, and at what doses for how long? Not just physical, but in your personal life--energy, mood, appetite, etc.

2) What are some of the worst sides you have experienced, and again, at what dosages and for how long? I am less interested in people who have used or abused T3 long-term, more so in short term.

3) How do the results of T3 compare to traditional cutters like tren, winny, and clen? More sides? Less? I realize diet is key for all things bulk or cut so please no soap-box lectures people. Stick to the drug question.

I'm aware there are three other posts like this on the main board right now and I've read them but still want to know some specifics. I just want to know the pros and cons of T3 use besides what the armchair research tells us.

I will not be using T3 this cycle as I start tren in two weeks, but I am seriously considering incorporating it into my next cycle. The boys @ AG make it too easy to pass up. Thanks bros.

-e

 

[biggeek]

I lied--yes it is.

Simple query, in three parts:

1) What are some of the most positive results anyone has seen using T3, and at what doses for how long? Not just physical, but in your personal life--energy, mood, appetite, etc.

2) What are some of the worst sides you have experienced, and again, at what dosages and for how long? I am less interested in people who have used or abused T3 long-term, more so in short term.

3) How do the results of T3 compare to traditional cutters like tren, winny, and clen? More sides? Less? I realize diet is key for all things bulk or cut so please no soap-box lectures people. Stick to the drug question.

I'm aware there are three other posts like this on the main board right now and I've read them but still want to know some specifics. I just want to know the pros and cons of T3 use besides what the armchair research tells us.

I will not be using T3 this cycle as I start tren in two weeks, but I am seriously considering incorporating it into my next cycle. The boys @ AG make it too easy to pass up. Thanks bros.

-e

Well.. not to go too much into this subject, because there are so many threads up and about on this subject lately.. but i'll give my personal experiences with T3.. i am a firm believer that there are no real dangers to a normally healthy individual with any kind of horomone replacement.. as long as precautions have been made.. and you know what side effects to look for.. anyway..

I have used T3 in different ways.. short term high doses.. short term low doses.. supplemental T3 without shutting down natural production.. and longer term high dosage (on right now)..

I would have to say my favorite is longer term supplemental.. just enough T3 to make someone hyperthyroid without shutting down production.. it can be done.. to know what the exact levels are you need blood tests but it is different for everyone of course.. i did a little less than 25mcg per day...like 12.5mcg Am/6 mcg pm.. and i normally use the liquid.. have used AG's.. but am now using IBE's..

Personal side effects from T3.. increased energy.. mood.. appetite.. the typicals.. i feel it get the most benefit with supplemental other than running high doses..

As for bad side effects.. so far none.. and i have run it 100mcg per day for a little while and there were no real side effects..

How does T3 compare.. ha.. it blows them all out of the water.. even clen.. and could at times nearly rival DNP.. if you ran T3 high enough.. t3 is what gives you your metabolism in a real basic sense.. so you bump up your metabolism.. and you could go from a 2500cal/day maintenence.. to a 3500cal/day maintence.. the stuff is that strong.. but it is best run with some amount of AAS.. i personally prever Anavar over anything.. it is strong enough to halt muscle loss.. can help curb appetite.. wont' aromatize so no estro worrys.. and almost all the gains are solid.. my personal favorite for cutting..

but i can say this.. T3 can enhance MANY things.. it can help you build muscle while on cycle by increasing protein turnover.. provided as long as you eat more.. i would say do some research.. learn a lot about T3.. and run it.. but that's just me.. ha ha

 

[escher]

AWESOME POST, BG. Your input really helps. I will do searches on the E-F db to get more info. In the mean time, have some more Karma. Thanks again.

-e

 

[Paulo]

I feel a bit burnt out for the first week or so of running it, then my energy and mood actually increase. My basal body temperature is generally between 96.8-97.2 so, I tend to run a bit hypothyroid naturally. Anyways, 62-75mcg per day and I'm just above 98.6 and loosing a good bit of fat and water. I am taking it with test, however. I wouldn't do it without.

I get my T3 from either mexico or US pharmacy. contrary to what a lot of people say, the mexican Cynomel works pretty well and doesn't feel to me to be underdosed. and its SUPER-cheap. I've run different kinds so I feel I can make comment.

Its not proper to compare T3 with AAS, becuase they operate very differently. "Cutter roids" merely help you lose fat while retaining muscle during a caloric deficit. T3 on the other hand helps you lose fat via direct actions. However, it will burn up muscle as well if its run at high doses without an anabolic mixed in.

As far as recovery, blood tests a month after cessation show no difference from before and after. Meaning that, it doesn't seem to have a permanent effect. However, I never ran more than 75mcg per day.

 

[escher]

I feel a bit burnt out for the first week or so of running it, then my energy and mood actually increase. My basal body temperature is generally between 96.8-97.2 so, I tend to run a bit hypothyroid naturally. Anyways, 62-75mcg per day and I'm just above 98.6 and loosing a good bit of fat and water. I am taking it with test, however. I wouldn't do it without.

I get my T3 from either mexico or US pharmacy. contrary to what a lot of people say, the mexican Cynomel works pretty well and doesn't feel to me to be underdosed. and its SUPER-cheap. I've run different kinds so I feel I can make comment.

Its not proper to compare T3 with AAS, becuase they operate very differently. "Cutter roids" merely help you lose fat while retaining muscle during a caloric deficit. T3 on the other hand helps you lose fat via direct actions. However, it will burn up muscle as well if its run at high doses without an anabolic mixed in.

As far as recovery, blood tests a month after cessation show no difference from before and after. Meaning that, it doesn't seem to have a permanent effect. However, I never ran more than 75mcg per day.

Also good to know. Some K for you too, not that you need any more...

-e

 

[boston basher]

Big Geek and Paulo K to the both of you, great posts!

 

[johnny g]

I lied--yes it is.

Simple query, in three parts:

1) What are some of the most positive results anyone has seen using T3, and at what doses for how long? Not just physical, but in your personal life--energy, mood, appetite, etc.

2) What are some of the worst sides you have experienced, and again, at what dosages and for how long? I am less interested in people who have used or abused T3 long-term, more so in short term.

3) How do the results of T3 compare to traditional cutters like tren, winny, and clen? More sides? Less? I realize diet is key for all things bulk or cut so please no soap-box lectures people. Stick to the drug question.

I'm aware there are three other posts like this on the main board right now and I've read them but still want to know some specifics. I just want to know the pros and cons of T3 use besides what the armchair research tells us.

I will not be using T3 this cycle as I start tren in two weeks, but I am seriously considering incorporating it into my next cycle. The boys @ AG make it too easy to pass up. Thanks bros.

-e

1) Most positive results : Fat loss, Dosage ramp up to 100mcg. Next time only doing 50mcg : This will aid in metabolism and believe it or not additional muscle gain. Felt alittle more energetic, mood the same, everything else the same.

2) Other then my muscles being super flat on 100mcg, nothing else to report.

3) Tren/Winny are not cutters - used in cutting cycles (no water retention), not sure if that is what you were implying, yes everything is diet, Compared to clen by itself well, I would stack to too that is all I am saying.

Take 25mcg in the morning and another 25mcg in the afternoon, Use it with your tren, and stack with a Test Propinate and Clen and alittle nolvadex. Alternate two days on two days off with the clen and on off days use Epherdrine w/caf. stack.

 

[Zell959]

I feel a bit burnt out for the first week or so of running it, then my energy and mood actually increase. My basal body temperature is generally between 96.8-97.2 so, I tend to run a bit hypothyroid naturally. Anyways, 62-75mcg per day and I'm just above 98.6 and loosing a good bit of fat and water. I am taking it with test, however. I wouldn't do it without.

Is montioring body temp a good way to figure out the best dose for you personally? What should be the upper limit of body temp you should allow yourself to get to?

 

[biggeek]

Is montioring body temp a good way to figure out the best dose for you personally? What should be the upper limit of body temp you should allow yourself to get to?

I wondered the same thing.. i know added T3 can have an affect on temp.. but i wasn't aware that it was an indication of being hypo or hyper.. if so.. my body temp rarely hits 98.. always mid to low 97's.. and i feel a little warmer when running t3.. so who knows.. anyone got any medical knowledge of something like this?? bump

 

[escher]

Is montioring body temp a good way to figure out the best dose [of T3] for you personally?

That, or the uncontrollable Michael J. Fox shakes you get in your hands when trying to hold your willy to take a piss during a T3 cycle...

Based on everything I've read, trenbolone IS a cutter. I'm familiar with the popular misconception most people have about steroids that "cut": non-aromatizing steroids can be used to keep muscle while dieting--that is not what I mean by cutting. The strong androgen action of tren (5 times that of test, supposedly) GREATLY accelerates the rate of lipolysis--actual fat loss. Same goes for Halo or any other AS that is strongly androgenic without estrogen or progesterone sides. Winny lacks this strong androgen component and therefore is NOT a true cutter. This too, I realize.

Not trying to pick bones with anyone, just wishing to make a point about the subject matter.

-e

 

[NRF]

That, or the uncontrollable Michael J. Fox shakes you get in your hands when trying to hold your willy to take a piss during a T3 cycle...

Based on everything I've read, trenbolone IS a cutter. I'm familiar with the popular misconception most people have about steroids that "cut": non-aromatizing steroids can be used to keep muscle while dieting--that is not what I mean by cutting. The strong androgen action of tren (5 times that of test, supposedly) GREATLY accelerates the rate of lipolysis--actual fat loss. Same goes for Halo or any other AS that is strongly androgenic without estrogen or progesterone sides. Winny lacks this strong androgen component and therefore is NOT a true cutter. This too, I realize.

Not trying to pick bones with anyone, just wishing to make a point about the subject matter.

-e

Androgens do not necessarily increase lipolysis, and some anabolics actually do.

1. Masteron is androgenic, but it does not increase the rate of lipolysis. It just gets rid of Sub-cutaneous water, giving you a more shredded look.

2. Winstrol, which is an anabolic(Therapeutic Index of 6:1 compared to test) . Also gets rid of sub-Q water leading to greater vascularity. And in some cases people think it's a lipolytic agent. But your synopsis is incorrect, winstrol is a true cutter at 100mg/day.

In any case, it has been speculated by some people who have used winstrol for very long periods of time, that it does have some lipolytic effects via an unknown mechanism. The problem is the literature on stanozolol regarding lipolysis is obviously rather poor. So, for now, it will g into the not lipolytic column.

3. Anavar....another anabolic. Is very lipolytic. However what's special about anavar is that it does not target inner fat, but sub-cutaneous fat right below the epidermal layer, making it perfect for getting a shredded appearance.

3. Halo: Fluoxymesterone does not accelerate the rate of lipolysis. That is disinformation. It actually aromatizes but to a very small degree.
Halo is neither a cutter or a bulker, it is simply used for increased aggression and strength, when you're dieting. Can be used for bulking in the same fashion, but dball or anadrol are generally used in bulkers.

4. Nandrolone, another anabolic increases lipolysis. It increases lipolysis by increasing the activity of glucose clearing enzymes(specifically the GD6DP Enzyme) , which then allow FFA's to be released from your WAT's and transported to the bloodtream and used for fuel.

5. Trenbolone as you specified, is the King of AAS in terms of lipolysis.
The way it increases lipolysis is still not completely understood, but it has been surmised that it shifts the ratio of prostaglandin production(Which is always 1:1) to the Prostaglandin PGF2A side, therfore increasing lipolysis.
However, Trenbolone has a massive anti-glucocorticoif effect and is the reason why it works on pretty much everyone. it reduces protein degradation via cortisol by a rather large margin, therefore letting you maintain your body in a positive nitrogen balance state w/o you having to really exert yourself.
Fina is an AAS that allows you to seriously cut down your calories..to like 1200Kcals/day, and yet not lose an ounce of muscle. It is unique and unrivaled in this regard.