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NON-Test/Deca/Tren Cycle Ideas?

Silent Method

Silent Method

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Long story short, I'm looking to do a mass cycle without combating two main side effects - acne and bitch tits.


Test: Gives me acne problems lasting MANY months.

Tren: Only substance to give me gyno symptoms thus far. I'm not looking to play with combating such sides right now.

Deca: Never used it, but my tren experience leads me to believe I may be sensitive to gyno associated with deca.



I'm considering d-bol, var, winny, possible long R3 IGF-1, insulin, or even HGH. (NO, not as one cycle :)) I'm looking for any ideas or cycle models to bounce around.
 
Well tren hit you in the tits, like it did me,cuz I mixed it with test , which in retrospect was a dumb move.

Estrogen = Titties
Estrogen+Progesterone= Milky Titties!! Yum Yum!

Have you done your Test cycles with the good old Proviron/Nolva Stack to control estrogen ? Try it, it works well for me.

If you got some test laying around, round up the Proviron. Hell if you got some gyno issues, hit the proviron Regardless of what you do!! Proviron is a great cutting drug that I would put against fucking overpriced Anavar, ANY Day!

God, Var is way OVERHYPED, if you ask me.

Why do people FORGET that Proviron is an oral version of DHT, AKA Masterone (oooh there is a mystical cutting drug).

I fucking LIVE on proviron !! Shit i am on almost all year long with NO SUPPRESSION. (Blood tests back this up, but you may be different). It doesnt do shit to my hair line, in fact I have stopped using proscar and with 25-50 mg Proviron almost continoiusly for 24 month I have MORE hair now !! DHT isnt the only reason you have MPB, cus if that theory is true, I should be f'n bald by now!

Proviron is your secret weapon against gyno ! Dont for get it!

If you have already formed some mamery tissue due to high progesterone (prolactin) levels, then you are a possible a gyno bomb waiting to go off. This makes you "gyno prone" now and you need to be carefull.

Watch out for Deca, stick with Winnie& EQ, add proviron to the mix and you should be able to cut on a moderate dose of test as well.

To be extra cautious, use arimidex .5mcg e 2-3 days or for 3 days after each Test injection with a couple day break before the next injecction. Arimidex shouldnt be overused due to HDL/LDL issues.

Fuck, I think I have confused myself here.
 
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eq/winny sounds like a good combo.

Did you ever consider npp? Its supposed to have less sides than nan deconate. Also, if you get them, its fast acting, so stopping the gear is a possibility to stop them from getting worse. Nonetheless, having some dostinex on hand isn't a bad idea. (I believe that dostinex is an anti-progesterone right?)

Var is also a good choice if you can afford it.

GH, Slin, and long R3 IGF-1 are most useful as a bridge IMO, seeing as they are none suppresive to HPTA. However gh, and igf-1 are pricey. If you use slin, just be safe, but im sure you know that.

Good luck with whatever you choose. :)
 
Gotta tout Var, shit I just edited my last post to bash on Var a little !! LOL

Ever run Proviron my friend?

Great drug and cheaper than shit!
I think EQ/Proviron is way better than var and just as safe . Cost is still less, even though EQ aint cheap!
 
Nandralone Phenylprop might not be a bad suggestion, but it can be expensive as hell.

Look for some Ganekyl DecaProp from South America. Great Shit!

Great price compared to what Human Grade european shit goes for. I sure as hell wont pay $12-15 bucks US for a 50mg/1ml amp of DecaProp when I get the Ganekyl for $200 for a f'n 100ml bottle!!
Thats like $2 bucks per amp!

Dont let all the hype on NanPhenylprop get you thinking it isnt without some sides. The deca dick still hits me with the P-Prop after 2-3 weeks. It does go away faster than regular Deca, but there is still some lingering shit going on for several months after the last shot. GOtta remember, Nandralone produces some real nasty metabolites of Nandralone, which are why it is detectable in your system for so f'n long! That is why the sides last so long after use.

BTW, cutting is all about diet anyway, so dont burn too many brain cells on your "cutting" cycle. Just use an androgen, really anything will work. All you are trying to do is reduce cortisol levels and PRESERVE muscle mass. Thats the trick.
 
Thanks for all of the responses so far.


macrophage69alpha, I have used proviron and nolva on a test cycle and a-dex on a test cycle. What is exem? Do you believe that or letrozole will reduce acne sides? Also, regarding the d-bol, I've never ran it without test but it just didn't seem to give me acne sides others warned about. I was told by several peope that they saw tremendous acne very proximal to the time the began d-bol. I saw none of that and only experienced the normal pattern of acne onset I ussualy see with test.


gunner44, thanks for the thoughts. I've ran test with little to no anti-e protection and not seen any gyno symptoms. Do you think tha the mix of test and tren really exacerbated the problem more than tren alone would have?



psychedout, I think I may go with IGF post cycle. I ran it before alone, liked it, but though it was over priced for what it did on it's own. However, it made my ball very full among it's other positive attributes. :) It may be just the thing for recovery for several reasons.



So tell me, those of you who can, what kind of acne sides have you seen with eq/winny, alone or together, compared to test?
 
I think I may go with IGF post cycle. I ran it before alone, liked it, but though it was over priced for what it did on it's own. However, it made my ball very full among it's other positive attributes. It may be just the thing for recovery for several reasons.
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Silent Method, be carefull recovering with IGF1. I am following a good friend on a long r3 IGF-1 cycle right now and like clockwork his libido hits the toilet when he's on IGF 2x / day. He is on an IGF1 only cycle. No morning wood, nothing.
 
Silent Method said:
Thanks for all of the responses so far.


macrophage69alpha, I have used proviron and nolva on a test cycle and a-dex on a test cycle. What is exem? Do you believe that or letrozole will reduce acne sides? Also, regarding the d-bol, I've never ran it without test but it just didn't seem to give me acne sides others warned about. I was told by several peope that they saw tremendous acne very proximal to the time the began d-bol. I saw none of that and only experienced the normal pattern of acne onset I ussualy see with test.
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Did a-dex not stop acne for you when on test?
I just finished cycle of 100mg test prop EOD, and 40mg dbol ED with 0.5mg adex EOD and its amazing stuff. No acne at all, apart from whats natural, pimple here and there. Its great, I've extended use through my pct - clomid, avena, maca, zinc and no increase in acne.

I'd give test another go with a-dex. My last cycle was test/eq without adex and my back was horrific, not too bad whilst on but pct it was pizza, forehead didn't look too good either.

I'm happy I've found liquid anastrozole!:D

PS I'm also positive its helped me recover far quicker than previously!
 
twistedneck, if anything IGF at 30 mics a day kicked my libido up a notch. I've never heard of anyone having libido problems related to IGF.


Paul Allen, the a-dex certainly did not stop acne when I was on test.
 
twistedneck said:
could fake igf1 (hcg) be causing his libido issues? A simple pregnancy test will tell if its hcg right?
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IGF is NOT hCG.

IGF = insulin like growth factor.

hCG = human chorionic gonadotropin.
 
Silent, I know hCG is not IGF but many people fake hGH and IGF with hCG. I was thinking if nobody else has libido issues on IGF, maybe its the androgens from hCG (the 'fake' IGF) causing it. Thoughts?
 
twistedneck, i gotchya. I read your post wrong.


Hmmm, you know, it's quite possible. I know for sure that if I give the igf another go I'll use the pregnancy test.
 
Yeah, how about primo and anavar, you can't have sides from that, and if you got the money you'll be big . . .
 
gunner44 said:
Nandralone Phenylprop might not be a bad suggestion, but it can be expensive as hell.

Look for some Ganekyl DecaProp from South America. Great Shit!

Great price compared to what Human Grade european shit goes for. I sure as hell wont pay $12-15 bucks US for a 50mg/1ml amp of DecaProp when I get the Ganekyl for $200 for a f'n 100ml bottle!!
Thats like $2 bucks per amp!

Dont let all the hype on NanPhenylprop get you thinking it isnt without some sides. The deca dick still hits me with the P-Prop after 2-3 weeks. It does go away faster than regular Deca, but there is still some lingering shit going on for several months after the last shot. GOtta remember, Nandralone produces some real nasty metabolites of Nandralone, which are why it is detectable in your system for so f'n long! That is why the sides last so long after use.

BTW, cutting is all about diet anyway, so dont burn too many brain cells on your "cutting" cycle. Just use an androgen, really anything will work. All you are trying to do is reduce cortisol levels and PRESERVE muscle mass. Thats the trick.
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Jesus bro, you can get human grade NPP for MUCH cheaper than that and those DecaProp. Take a look at some B.M. Pharmaceuticals prices. Even British Dragon makes a cheaper bootleg version. Also, I have never found EQ to be expensive either. Var on the other hand is a complete different story. It really is an amazing compound, but worth the price.....???? Not really for me because of the dose and length of time I would want to run it.

ALso, you almost got me thinking about adding proviron to my next cycle. I always thought of it as a very very WEAK anabolic though, and more than anything just a muscle hardener and wood fixer. Its good for binding to the androgen receptor, but in mucsle tissue most of it never really reaches the androgen receptor because it is enzymatically converted to the diol. So ....... it is not really an effective anabolic. I will give it credit though as an anti-bitch-tit agent, and a good idea for keeping bloat down. It does come with dht sides though.
 
:) I'm already quite big....and I'm growing just fine without any anabolics.


Just out looking for opinions here. If you have something to share feel free. If you have a heavily bloated and smooth pic of your back for an avatar, go away.
 
Try NPP, definetely worth it, 4-6 weeks.

My physique has practically been built around NPP and var. My body doesn't agree with Test (and heavy androgens in general)
 
I want to try a NPP/Fina combo late in the year.
 
BigAndy, why does your body not agree with test.. everyone i know does test on a cycle due to well being and libido. Do you feel good on deca?
 
Supplementing with finasteride will take care of the acne problem for a lot of people since it will reduce DHT in the skin, but for me while it did reduce that side effect considerably it didnt eliminate it. This summer I cycled tren 75mg/ed and test enan@500mg/wk for 12 weeks, and I took 1 tab of IP accutane/day (20mg ... in america for some reason physicians prescribe it at a much higher dose; in europe lower doses like this are the norm) along with 0.5mg anastrozole EOD... absolutely NO ACNE! One of my best cycles so far, both gains and side effect wise. Great size, hardness, insane strength, crazy libido, no acne...

I didnt use any this cycle, but bromocriptine is very cheap, easily obtained (since its legal to import) and should take care of any potential gyno problems from tren.
 
accutane with test is a reoccuring thought, but if I run test I would love to run d-bol with it. Accutane with another toxic oral would be a non no in my book.

B182, I have considered finasteride for the purpose of acne control but haven't found any data on it's effectiveness. Thanks for the input! When you hit the cycle with finasteride, describe the difference in acne symptoms you saw in regard to severity, duration, etc.
 
In my first cycle finasteride and clomid were the only ancillaries I used, and my cycle was the same except the tren was EOD. It reduced the severity (basically the number of zits I had) but there were still a few cystic bumps. I believe DHT is thought to be 3x as active in the skin as test so this reduction makes sense, as androgens generally increase sebacious gland (oil) production. It's not only a good idea to take finasteride for your hair and skin, but also to minimize any prostate hyperplasia. It's a must with any test cycle IMO...

I started on the IP accutane about a month before beginning my past summer cycle, and it prettymuch eliminated the acne I get from test. But yeah, I agree taking 17aa orals is a bad idea while on accutane imo unless you kept the dosages real low and supplemented with ala and other liver protectants.

I also got a lot of sun exposure, and I think that probably helped with the acne as well (the UV rays kill potential acne causing bacteria in the skin, plus a good tan makes any redspots disappear)
 
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good info guys , b5 and guggulsterones are working well for me, but some residual on arms and back.
 
twistedneck said:
BigAndy, why does your body not agree with test.. everyone i know does test on a cycle due to well being and libido. Do you feel good on deca?
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It does the opposite for me. It destroys my mood, hair, skin...etc

Nandrolone has always been good to me.
 
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