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Nolvadex what's the truth....PCT

What is it with every one from ef saying nolvadex is ****...
Many AAS users use nolvadex im pretty sure if it didn't work they wouldnt use it....
I agree that it might not be the best PCT but to say it has no place is wrong in my opinion.
Some guys at my gym cycle and don't even PCT and still are huge don't lose all gains as every one says they will I think you should all calm down abit getting abit out of hand this PCT stuff people spending far too much money on PCT products...

I get we're your coming from lad I personally use nolvadex and clomid for my PCT and works fine..
 
name me something nolva does great. and I will name you something that does it way better with way less sides.

that is why. go ahead and tell me.

we say nolva is shit cause it IS SHIT!!. the only reason people use it is cause of internet parrotting. and you said it yourself, your buddies at the gym don't run PCT. thats cause they DON'T CYCLE!! or they come off for 2 or 3 weeks (which isn't even coming off cause you still have esters in your body 5 or 6 weeks after last injection of a typical 2 week half life AAS) .. so basically they just stay on year round and never give their bodies and HPTA a break.

so if you just stay on then no you don't need PCT. but if you cycle like i do then YES you need pct.
 
I get we're your coming from lad I personally use nolvadex and clomid for my PCT and works fine..

nolva is an AI so all you are doing in your pct when you use it is dropping your estrogen. there are better AI's out there and secondly you shouldn't HAVE TO drop your estrogen post cycle, you should of ran the proper ancillaries while on to begin with.

also nolva doesn't do shit for prolactin/progesterone, so good luck to you if you use it after tren or deca. and no it doesn't stimulate your test productions. its a drug used by post breast cancer women
 
nolva is an AI so all you are doing in your pct when you use it is dropping your estrogen. there are better AI's out there and secondly you shouldn't HAVE TO drop your estrogen post cycle, you should of ran the proper ancillaries while on to begin with.

also nolva doesn't do shit for prolactin/progesterone, so good luck to you if you use it after tren or deca. and no it doesn't stimulate your test productions. its a drug used by post breast cancer women

Why bash me lol I only said that I've used nolvadex and clomid in the past haha I've only done 2 test cycles man I'm no pro and weren't trying to be...

And yeah I did use armidex on cycle also
 
^^^lol how did i bash you?.. i was merely asking you questions and producing facts. if you used adex on cycle and control your estrogen then why do you need to use 2 more AI's in pct on top of the adex? so in total you are using 3 drugs to combat estrogen. there is more to PCT then wrecking your estrogen. this is the prime reason a nolva pct is a bad pct. yes you do need estrogen to build muscle, it should be controlled, not bombed down to nothing !

so answer me what does nolva do so well that makes it a great drug to use for pct? its a simple question

again not bashing or being condescending lol, if you have an answer for my question i would love to hear it, i posted a thread and no one bothered to answer why nolva makes a good pct, they just said they used it. so if SOMEONE can chime in and give me an answer that would be great.. this is why i say that it is just internet parroting why guys use it.
 
^^^lol how did i bash you?.. i was merely asking you questions and producing facts. if you used adex on cycle and control your estrogen then why do you need to use 2 more AI's in pct on top of the adex? so in total you are using 3 drugs to combat estrogen. there is more to PCT then wrecking your estrogen. this is the prime reason a nolva pct is a bad pct. yes you do need estrogen to build muscle, it should be controlled, not bombed down to nothing !

so answer me what does nolva do so well that makes it a great drug to use for pct? its a simple question

I've just read that pct on a diff site is that pct a waste of time ??? Doesn't it help start your own production ??? What pct do you think should be used for test only ???
 
no nolva doesn't jumpstart your HPTA. read what i wrote above. it kills your estrogen and the theory is if you drop your estrogen then it makes it easier for your test levels to rebound.. this theory has merit behind it. HOWEVER as i stated there are better AI's out there and using 3 AI's is not necessary and will kill your libido and is overkill

also there is MORE to a pct than to just kill estrogen.

as for a better pct, its not just about pct.. you need to run the proper ancillaries on cycle. depending on what you run and for how long. and you need to go into pct already in recovery using a kickstart.
 
no nolva doesn't jumpstart your HPTA. read what i wrote above. it kills your estrogen and the theory is if you drop your estrogen then it makes it easier for your test levels to rebound.. this theory has merit behind it. HOWEVER as i stated there are better AI's out there and using 3 AI's is not necessary and will kill your libido and is overkill

also there is MORE to a pct than to just kill estrogen.

as for a better pct, its not just about pct.. you need to run the proper ancillaries on cycle. depending on what you run and for how long. and you need to go into pct already in recovery using a kickstart.

I get what your saying think I need a better understanding of the products I take in future
 
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