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Mini Viper

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to be a recent topic!! Whats up with that, people here are saying to use nolvadex on its own as if it were an AAS!! so for those who don't know much about nolvadex please read below for its USES and EFFECTS. Thank you! I apologize for boring those who knows their AAS. :chomp:

Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate)
Nolvadex, a trade name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, is a non-steroidal agent that demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. The drug is technically an estrogen agonist/antagonist, which competitively binds to estrogen receptors in various target tissues. With the tamoxifen molecule bound to this receptor, estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an antiestrogenic effect is achieved. Since many forms of breast cancer are responsive to estrogen, the ability of tamoxifen citrate to block its action in such cells has proven to be a very effective treatment. It is also utilized successfully as a preventative measure, taken by people with an extremely high familial tendency for breast cancer.
An enzyme in the male body (aromatase) is capable of altering testosterone to form estradiol. The structure of estrogen is actually quite similar to testosterone, so its presence in the male body is not all that remarkable. Since this same enzyme can also aromatize many anabolic/androgenic steroids, the buildup of estrogens can be an important concern during intake. High levels can cause a number of unwanted side effects, a primary worry being gynecomastia or the development of female breast tissue in men. This can be first noticed by the appearance of swelling or a small lump under the nipple. If left to progress it can turn into a very unsightly development of tissue, often an irreversible occurrence without surgery. Estrogen can also lead to an increase in the level of water retained in the body. The result here can be a notable loss of definition, the muscles beginning to look smooth and bloated due to the retention of subcutaneous fluid. Fat storage may also be increased as estrogen levels rise. This hormone is in fact the primary reason women have a higher body fat percentage, and different fat distribution (hips/thighs) than men. Individuals sensitive to the effects of estrogen will usually be sure to have an antiestrogen on hand when taking problematic steroids, so as to minimize the impact of related side effects. It is also of note that when estrogen and body fat levels are normal, administering Nolvadex (both Men and Women) can increase the look of hardness and definition the muscles.
This drug also shows the ability to increase production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) in the male body. This is accomplished by blocking negative feedback inhibition caused by estrogen at the hypothalamus and pituitary, which fosters the release of the mentioned pituitary hormones. This of course is also the function of Clomid and cyclofenil. Since a higher release of LH can stimulate the Leydig's cells in the testes to produce more testosterone, Nolvadex can have a positive impact on one's serum testosterone level. This "testosterone stimulating" effect is an added benefit when preparing to conclude a steroid cycle. Since most anabolic/androgenic steroids will suppress endogenous testosterone production, Nolvadex can help restore a balance in hormone levels. Nolvadex should be preferred over Clomid for this purpose in fact, as side by side it is clearly the stronger agent. It has also been shown to increase LH responsiveness to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone after time, while Clomid slightly lowers this sensitivity as the drug is used for several weeks.
In some instances the use of only an estrogen antagonists such as Nolvadex or Clomid may be sufficient for testosterone stimulating purposes, particularly when halting the use of a milder or shorter steroid program (which should have a less pronounced impact on the hormonal system). With stronger cycles most option to enhance the stimulating effect of these drugs with HCG, a hormone that mimics the action of LH. HCG use provides an excessive level of stimulation to the testes, which in essence may shock them out of a prolonged state of inactivity. In such a condition the Leydig's cells may not be producing a normal amount of testosterone, even though the normal release of gonadotropins has been achieved. Nolvadex can be tricky at this point. Remember it only blocks the effect of estrogen that is present in the body. If it is removed at a time when estrogen levels are still unusually high, related side effects can quickly become a pronounced problem. Since HCG not only increases the production of testosterone but also enhances the rate of aromatization in the testes, anti-estrogens should not be discontinued until at least a couple of weeks after HCG is discontinued. The result otherwise of course could be many unwanted side effects that were previously under control. When using Nolvadex to ward off the effects of estrogen during the cycle, it should similarly not be removed until the user is confident that hormone levels are well under control. With a drug such as Sustanon, this may mean continuing it for several weeks after the last shot.
A typical daily dosage for men is in the range of 10 to 30mg, the chosen amount obviously dependent on the level of effect desired. It is advisable to begin with a low dosage and work up, so as to avoid taking an unnecessary amount. The time in which Nolvadex is started also relies on individual needs of the user. If an athlete with a known sensitivity to estrogen is starting a strong steroid cycle, Nolvadex should probably be added soon after the cycle had been initiated. If estrogen is probably not going to be a major problem during the cycle (but will likely be after), Nolvadex is administered around the time exogenous steroid levels will drop. It will be continued for some weeks after, until the point when natural testosterone is thought to be at an acceptable level. As mentioned HCG is often used at this point as well (see related profile for more detail). Women have also utilized Nolvadex in an effort to reduce the effect of their own endogenous estrogens. This can lower body fat concentrations, especially in stubborn areas like the hips and thighs. This is of course risky, as manipulating the effect of estrogen can become uncomfortable in women. Side effects like hot flashes, menstrual irregularities and a variety of complications with the reproductive system are all possible.
Of great interest also is that Nolvadex is an estrogen agonist in the liver, capable of activating the estrogen receptor and mimicking the actions of this sex hormone in this region of the body. As such it can have a markedly positive impact on HDL (good) cholesterol valuesas, as does estrogen. Many similarly use this drug to counter some of the negative consequences of steroid use in regards to cholesterol values and cardiac risk, as steroids often suppress HDL and raise LDL levels considerably. in some instances I have heard an athlete being able to maintain a very favorable HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio, to spite the use of a moderate dosage (400mg weekly) of an injectable like testosterone or nandrolone. It would probably be foolish to think however that Nolvadex would be a sufficient remedy with the heavy use of c-l7alpha alkylated orals or extremely high dosed cycles in general.
It has been reported by many however that Nolvadex seems to slightly reduce to gains made during a steroid cycle. It appears that many androgenic/anabolic steroids will exhibit their most powerful anabolic effect when accompanied by a sufficient level of estrogen. This may be one reason why gains made with a strong androgen like testosterone are usually much more pronounced than when using an anabolic that aromatizes to a lower degree. It therefore seems like good advice to be aware of how much Nolvadex is actually needed before committing to it during a cycle. Many people in fact find it unnecessary, even when utilizing problematic compounds such as testosterone or Dianabol. Others however find they are troubled by water retention and gynecomastia, even with milder anabolics like Deca-Durabolin and Equipoise. The estrogenic response to steroid use is very individual, and may be influenced by factors such as age and body fat percentage (adipose tissue is a primary site of aromatization).

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My personal experience with nolva :

About 20 days ago I decided to try it to get rid of my OLD gyno . It was not a big of gyno , just a small lump , but it would hurt sometimes .And it was there since puberty .

So , this is day 20 of my treatment and the results so far has been outstanding . My gyno is completly GONE . I am 100 % CURED . I am taking 60 mg ED . I plan to continue the treatment for more 10-20 days just to make sure .

I also have been dropping some fat lately and my diet was not very good in the last 2 weeks. I have a friend that said that nolva will adjust your liver enzymes and that it directly makes you lose fat .

One thing that I noticed is that it seems to work well on those called estrogenic fat areas ( around the nipple and in the love handle ) . My chest is WAY leaner now . It seems that it took care of they gyno and the fat around the nipples .

But my libido remains the same so as my ejaculation volume . I thought those 2 things were suposed to go up . So far , it is the same . Oh well , I wasn't taking for this purpose because it is good enough . BUT a slighty increase couldn't hurt I guess . LOL

So , from personal experience I will not use or recomend nolva for PCT . I will only use it to treat gynecomastia .

Anyway , It got rid of my gyno and some fat ( mostly in the lower chest and nipple area ) . that alone is GOOD enough


Victor
 
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" It is also of note that when estrogen and body fat levels are normal, administering Nolvadex (both Men and Women) can increase the look of hardness and definition the muscles. "


>>> Maybe that is why I look leaner ? But I just noticed that I look leaner but not everywhere . I mean , my chest looks a lot better , also the love handles improved a bit . But the rest remains the same .

I forgot to mention that I always had an unproportional AMOUNT of fat on my chest and waist ( specially love handles ) compared to the rest of my body . You would look to my arms , legs and backs and say WOW that guy is ripped . BUT when you see the chest and abs , you say : he is a fatass.


Victor
 
im not so fuckin crazy am i...i did nolva for the same reason. i think im goin to bump it up to 60 a day, im at 20 and ive been up at 40 at one point. i love it. i become harder, leaner, stronger, more vascular, aggresive and my over all body feeling is better.

victor how long have u had ur little bumps? mine are like soft little pieces of skin in my nips and when they are cold they look normal. i also got gyno when i was 13 and it went away so i think if i keep neckin nolva it will eventually get so small it goes unoticed.

it is embarrasing cause to the untrained eye it looks kinda normal. but to the gym world everyone knows i did juice, and people probably believe i do juice now, adn that shit pisses me off.
 
NYBodyguard said:
Top Pros in the Tom Platz steroid secrect video claim that novla hinders gains


>> It is because it LOWERS IGF-1 levels , that is why I am not using it while ON , only when OFF .


Victor
 
einstein1905 posted this a while ago when this topic was brought up on :

"There have been studies to show nolva decreases serum IGF-1 levels.....the majority are done in breast cancer patients.....breast cancer patients have increased IGF-1 production in mammary fat pads, so it's most likely that the reduction in IGF-1 has much to do with reducing this abnormally high production of mammary IGF-1 production and not so much at all on hepatic IGF-1. Intramuscular IGF-1 (IGF-1Ea) is what's most important to us, and there's no reason to believe that this is affected by nolva."
 
The whole point of this thread is to tell newbies or anyone who doesn't know about Nolvadex its uses and effects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would anyone use Nolvadex alone I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless I'm mistaken Nolvadex is generally used to treat gyno, so unless you have gyno or gyno symptoms they are not required. If you need anti-e's in your cycle there's proviron, arimidex, femera...etc.......

This thread is pissing me off and I'll delete it if it get any worse!!
 
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Mini Viper said:
The whole point of this thread is to tell newbies or anyone who doesn't know about Nolvadex its uses and effects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would anyone use Nolvadex alone I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless I'm mistaken Nolvadex is generally used to treat gyno, so unless you have gyno or gyno symptoms they are not required. If you need anti-e's in your cycle there's proviron, arimidex, femera...etc.......

This thread is pissing me off and I'll delete it if it get any worse!!


Oh, sorry...I thought this was a discussion board....And yes, I do have a little gyno...That's why i was asking...
 
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