nolvadex and winstrol

[agent glutes]

i am currently prepearing for a show and have started using clen with triac, i have 5 weeks to go and am thinking of using nolvadex and / or winstrol but am not sure if i should use both together or seperatley.......... also do not want to increase my chance of unwanted side effects ie facial hair!!! i havent tried any of these 'supplements' before and need advoice please

 

[NubianBeauty]

Maybe try the Nolva...but wait until about 3 weeks out and run it until the show, taper off of it s l o w l y.... ditch the Winny

 

[NubianBeauty]

BTW, Figure, Fitness, or BB?

 

[agent glutes]

thanks for advice , i am 'figure' but looking to get harder , why do you think i should ditch winny is nlovadex strong enough alone??

 

[NubianBeauty]

IMO, you are too close to show time to "experiment" with Winny, especially since it can lead to VERY bad sides unlike LEGIT Ox.... It would be wiser to do a run with it in the offseason because right now you are in pre-comp mode and there is not room for much trial and error during this time. Nolva will help to get you a leaner look since you will be quite lean to beging with (hopefully ) GOOD LUCK

 

[wilson6]

"clen with triac" = bad idea

ECA far better and relatively safer.

Forget the Tamoxifen and Winny. If you're figure and this isn't a pro show, you should be able to do this easily with diet, training and some ECA.

Tamoxifen is overrated in my opinion and it makes it more difficult for women that use it for breast cancer prevention to lose fat.

W6

 

[agent glutes]

naturally just takes longer and im impatient !!!

yea i can appreciate that only i am hoping to do a photo shoot (sounds corny i know) to renew my sponsorship, so wanted to speed up the fat loss. This is my first time taknig anything but the triac is actually an ameriacn supplement taken off the shelves just last year so i figured it would be ok.


NB are you BB or figure/fitness?...... out of interest.

 

[agent glutes]

naturally just takes longer and im impatient !!!

yea i can appreciate that only i am hoping to do a photo shoot (sounds corny i know) to renew my sponsorship, so wanted to speed up the fat loss. This is my first time taknig anything but the triac is actually an ameriacn supplement taken off the shelves just last year so i figured it would be ok.


NB are you BB or figure/fitness?...... out of interest.

 

[wilson6]

"but the triac is actually an ameriacn supplement taken off the shelves just last year so i figured it would be ok."

Hmmmmm........

Taken off the market = OK

Do you know what TRIAC is and how it may interact with CLEN?

W6

 

[agent glutes]

i thought that it was a mild thyroid stimulant like the one contained in thriax made by syntrax but must admit that the bottle doesnt look like it would have been sold on shelf. not sure about how it interacts should i be concerned

 

[wilson6]

TRIAC = L-3,5,3'-Triiodothyroacetic acid and is about 1/3 - 1/2 as potent as T4.

Bottom line, if taken in modest doses, it will act like T4, or T3 if taken in higher doses. It is not a thyroid stimulant, it is thyroid hormone and will shut down your own production. That is why is was pulled from the market.

Thyroid increases the number of beta-receptors in cells including the heart. Clen binds to those receptors. Mixing CLEN with thyroid will most certainly increase metabolism of everything (protein, fat and carbohydrate), but could also set off abnormal heart rhythms and increase blood pressure.

Stick with the ECA and diet and start dieting sooner or stay in better shape year round. Quick fixes in this business are a prescription for disaster.

W6

 

[MR. BMJ]

I agree with wilson, ditch the triac!

BMJ

 

[agent glutes]

appreciate info. , but was under the impression that using triac MODERATLEY ... helps to liberate/increase the bodies own T3 output so long as i use this cautiously should not be a prob. Clen is primarily a T4 stimulant? so combined they will increase the bodies ablilty to burn fat via increasing its metabolic rate yea?

i am cycling this with an ECA (xanedrine) in order to ensure that when i come off the tri/clen my own bodies response is to gain weight again.

sorry to repeat the question can tamoxifen and winny be used together then ?