nolva with npp

[jmead]

so.. say i was to get some puffy nipples.. no lumps.. just puffyness.. what would i use to combat it.. nolva+aromasin? nolva upregulates the PR.. sooo.. bad idea?

i cant tell but i think my nipples might be gettin puffy

 

[lartinos]

nolva and dostinex would be my choice, I'd use bromo if I couldn't get dostinex.

 

[jmead]

nolva and dostinex would be my choice, I'd use bromo if I couldn't get dostinex.

that will lower my prolactin levels but.. that isnt really the issue..

i had some preexisting fatty tissue around my nipples from a jacked up superdrol cycle.. and now i think the puffyness might actually be getting worse... i want to catch it early.. no itching, tingling or lumps just fattylike tissue forming i think.. by the way

current cycle

test e 500mg EW,e3d
eq 600mg EQ,e3d
npp 300mg EW, EOD
about my 2nd week with the npp..

what should i try to combat the puffyness.. i went up to 40mg aromasin and increased my aifm sprays today to see if this helps.. im not feeling any "low estrogen" sides so im starting to question the effectiveness of my AIs.. i actually am using around 5-6 pumps of aifm and 20mg aromasin a day.. i figured id be suppressing it too much but my joints are fine, im not weak or anything..

so.. what do i do about this fatty tissue forming..

drugs on hand..

anavar
winny
nolva
clomid
aromasin
aifm

 

[lartinos]

You may have prolactin gyno, aromasin does little to nothing for that bro. Nolvadex can have an effect on it though, so mosdef run that. Bunk aromasin is a possibilty as well, this might just be an estrogen issue. Sounds more like a prolactin type Gyno though in my opinion.

 

[steelmass]

stay away from nolva bros... it'll make prolactin gyno worse...

Any AI and dostinex is your best bet

 

[steelmass]

Letro is best AI for reducing pre-existing gyno though...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no nolva
you may need letro, though even suppressing E further will only lessen the issue.

however you probably just need to stop the NPP and start taking a dopaminergic (bromocriptine or cabergoline at this point)

 

[blut wump]

I had some lump starting to form while taking deca and test. I took to squirting my daily AIFM directly onto the lump and taking 1mg of letro EOD. I also got back onto taking my cabaser which I'd been neglecting.

The lump / fatty tissue disappeared within a week.

I'd strongly agree with Macro, though, that removing the cause of the problem is as important as dealing with the problem itself. Once it's clear you can start to experiment with your tolerances.

 

[jmead]

no nolva
you may need letro, though even suppressing E further will only lessen the issue.

however you probably just need to stop the NPP and start taking a dopaminergic (bromocriptine or cabergoline at this point)

see the only thing is i cant be for sure that the puffyness is gettin worse.. some mornings are worse than others, and when my nipples are hard they look perfectly fine.. most mornings they look like they always do.. but then theres those random times where im just like.. hey wtf is goin on here.. then it dissapears and im like.. oh ok nevermind

 

[Bozwell]

try 600mg ed of vit b6 for a week or so to see if that shifts it
adding an ai also

 

[ironclaw]

I had the same problem with deca and test, my gyno came on fast, within 2 weeks of starting the deca and test, (deca 600 mg/ test 1gram); I tried nolva, it made it worse, I followed macros advice to drop the deca, start using aifm at 4 pumps/day, and added arimidex at 1mg/day. It is almost completly gone now.

 

[jmead]

I had the same problem with deca and test, my gyno came on fast, within 2 weeks of starting the deca and test, (deca 600 mg/ test 1gram); I tried nolva, it made it worse, I followed macros advice to drop the deca, start using aifm at 4 pumps/day, and added arimidex at 1mg/day. It is almost completly gone now.

did yours have a lump or just puffiness? i have no lump no soreness no itching.. just like fluid under the nipple.. causeing it to raise slightly

 

[lartinos]

Can someone explain to me why nolva would make it worse. A link, anything. i have personal experience with this problem, I'm just talking about what worked for me.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nolvadex upregulates the progesterone receptor, in this sense its activity is estrogenic. aromatase inhibitors down regulate PgR receptor expression (via lowering of plasma estrogen and they estrogenic activity

 

[lartinos]

Thanks Macro makes more sense to me. At the same the nolva would also stop circulating estrogen from entering the chest, so in that way because gyno is at its worst when its a combination of progesterone and estrogen activity, the negative impact of nolvadex could possibly be overstated.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no, its not overstated. better than high estrogen and upregulated PR, but that about it.

nolva is a poor choice, the people it works for are not having PgR related issues.

there is absolutely no reason to use nolva when you can use an AI.

 

[jmead]

no, its not overstated. better than high estrogen and upregulated PR, but that about it.

nolva is a poor choice, the people it works for are not having PgR related issues.

there is absolutely no reason to use nolva when you can use an AI.

so your final resolution is just use an ai.. and if that at some point isnt enough.. whats step 2.. besides droppign the npp.., by the way the past 2 days i loaded up on aromasin 40mg ED and kept the aifm 4-6 sprays a day.. let me tell u.. my joints crack and pop now.. so the aromasin isnt bunk.. but what would be my next step to combating the puffy nipple disease so many people have but dont know how to solve.

 

[lartinos]

no, its not overstated. better than high estrogen and upregulated PR, but that about it.

nolva is a poor choice, the people it works for are not having PgR related issues.

there is absolutely no reason to use nolva when you can use an AI.

you're right of course. I'll no longer advise people to take nolva with deca/tren. Letro really is the best choice in this scenario. This also changes how I will advise people when they are preparing for a cycle. I think cabergoline is almost always left out when most mods give people advice on test and deca type cycles. I think part of the reason it is left out is because it is not as widely known by newbs and also doesn't have the same availability/price. Thanks for the new added info Macro.

 

[mikefear]

go with what macro said

 

[macrophage69alpha]

so your final resolution is just use an ai.. and if that at some point isnt enough.. whats step 2.. besides droppign the npp.., by the way the past 2 days i loaded up on aromasin 40mg ED and kept the aifm 4-6 sprays a day.. let me tell u.. my joints crack and pop now.. so the aromasin isnt bunk.. but what would be my next step to combating the puffy nipple disease so many people have but dont know how to solve.

bromocriptine or cabergoline

are you doing direct application of AIFM to the nipple (1/4-1/2 pump- same exfoliation, cleaning, etc apply)?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you can also try letro or arimidex+AIFM/aromasin. though the progestins puffyness can still occur with near complete E suppression. however since you are that dry its unlikely that it would make a difference.

prolactin suppession is the best course of action with your apparent level of E suppression. Though again this as well IS NOT a guarantee. it will probably help, it may be all you need (and then can cut back your AI use).. but its not certain.

 

[jmead]

you can also try letro or arimidex+AIFM/aromasin. though the progestins puffyness can still occur with near complete E suppression. however since you are that dry its unlikely that it would make a difference.

prolactin suppession is the best course of action with your apparent level of E suppression. Though again this as well IS NOT a guarantee. it will probably help, it may be all you need (and then can cut back your AI use).. but its not certain.

i doubled up on ai and aifm.. got dry as fuck shoulders and knees sore.. and my nipples dont seem as puffy today, i also started liquid cabergoline .5mg e3d