Newbie questions need answering

[Newbsauce]

Hi everyone,
Im a future mixed martial arts fighter. Ive been working my groundwork, wrestling ect. Now ive decided to improve my strength, lower bodyfat and cut my body up a bit. Im 5'8 180..(Yes i know im fat) Anyway im starting to work out for about a month now, i dont want to do things the natural way, i want to get a push in the right direction. My friend has done several cycles and has advised me to go with an eight week cycle of d-bol, test 250mg a week, and some t3. What im wanting to know is if i workout hard and diet correctly will i lose all this damn bodyfat and cut up while gaining a decent amount of strength and a little size as well? Basicaly, ive been kinda fat since i was around 17 (24 now) and i want to be able to see my abs and acually feel decent about myself. I will also be doing cardio every other day to help the bf issue. Thanks in advance

 

[Bulldog_10]

Bro, work out for a little while before jumping into the juice. Establish a good base...then hit the juice.

You'll be amazed at how much you can gain when you first start working out. 5'8 180 is not bad at all...and if you work hard for about a year, you'll get good results.

And when you do finally decide to hit a cycle...do some research first, don't just take advice on this shit blindly. This is serious shit.

 

[Canuck4]

I hear that bulldog.
Do some reasearch bro.
I wouldnt advice the T3 for a begginer. You can really mess up your thyroid if you dont know what your doing.
For a cutting cycle I would use something like Test/winstroll and Clen.
Alot of cardio and a good diet.

 

[HiFidelity]

lol

man, when I started lifting again after a year, I gained 60, yes 60lbs without ANY gear after the end of my first year of training whenI started back. Now 2 years after that, I started juicing again and am staying the same bodyweight (6' ,260lbs 16% BF) while gaining size. The guy that suggested what you should use shouldn't be recommending shit. If he "knows his shit" he would be saying the same things we are. Wait AT LEAST another year while lifting naturally. If you juice now, yes you'll get stronger, but you will probably rip a Pec or blow out a quad or hurt yourself bad another way. Just wait bro.

 

[Newbsauce]

yea

He also said he would get a year of consistent training under my belt and juice when i stop gaining as much. But heres the thing, im not trying to be huge, i wanna look cut , not huge, i wanna be stong but not a monster. By the way the cutting agent would be
clenbuterol not t3. We went in on a 1000 tab bucket of d-bol. And some test 400 . I know a lot of people would wait but i just wanna see the results fast. But back to the original question test 400,d-bol and clen will cut a fatboy up with proper diet and weighttraining yes?

 

[Canuck4]

Re: yea

By the way the cutting agent would be
clenbuterol not t3. We went in on a 1000 tab bucket of d-bol. And some test 400 . I know a lot of people would wait but i just wanna see the results fast. But back to the original question test 400,d-bol and clen will cut a fatboy up with proper diet and weighttraining yes? [/B]

I dont think Dbol is a good cutting agent either bro.
Try this http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/search.php?s=
Check out some cutting/ leaning down cycles that some people are doing.
Research and learn.

 

[RussianBro]

Re: lol

man, when I started lifting again after a year, I gained 60, yes 60lbs without ANY gear after the end of my first year of training whenI started back.

I hear ya man... Gained 20+ lbs naturaly before I even considered to touch gear.

Gear, no matter what some would say, is a good supplement to get rid of problems, not an only solution.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: yea

He also said he would get a year of consistent training under my belt and juice when i stop gaining as much. But heres the thing, im not trying to be huge, i wanna look cut , not huge, i wanna be stong but not a monster. By the way the cutting agent would be
clenbuterol not t3. We went in on a 1000 tab bucket of d-bol. And some test 400 . I know a lot of people would wait but i just wanna see the results fast. But back to the original question test 400,d-bol and clen will cut a fatboy up with proper diet and weighttraining yes?

Bro you're being a moron! If you're a fatboy, why don't you get your fat ass in the gym and try doing it naturally for a while? What is your big rush? If you don't have the patience to get in shape, what makes you think you're gonna be a martial arts fighter? Grow a brain, then try growing some muscles...

 

[Newbsauce]

See this is what i dont get...

I understand people that have been working out a long time dont wanna see some newb come in and go for the drugs right away. I know i dont have the workout time under my belt. But the cycle im suggesting is a very SMALL and moderate beginners cycle from what ive read and discussed with RL friends who juice. Aside from me not having patience or anything of that matter, what's the problem with starting out with a jumpstart style cycle? I know lots of people that start working out with stacker or xenadrene or some other kind of fat burner including clenbuterol,t3,t4,dnp and all the rest. So whats the difference if i throw a baby's amount of dbol and test in there for a little extra bulk? I mean im genuinly looking for your advice here, so if u know something i dont then by all means tell me. BUT dont just say hey man u need like one year of training under your belt just to say it, or so i can get a feel for working out or whatever. I mean if the resulkts can be had faster, i say only an idiot wouldnt go the quick route. Just my opinion. (Awaiting your replies)

PS. The original question still remains would this cycle cut this fat off me and add a bit of muscle(The original point of this post before we got OT).

 

[OAKBOX]

We are all going to have a serious problem with you doing steroids. If your that impatient about losing weight, you may have a psychological problem. Start by lifting and running. Take an ECA stack. Modify your diet to get a caloric deficit. If, after 4 months, you do not see improvements, then take more extreme measures. At 24 your still on the young side. You should get plenty of results. I think this is the best advice you'll get from us, and believe me it can be done. Take me- I'm 6' 195Lbs @ 19% BF. Last year in April i weighed 207 @ 27% Bf. It took me about four months to drop my weight. See for yourself OAKBOX All i did was change my diet, strength trained 3 days a week, and did cardio 3 times a week for 30 mins. I waited for a year and a half before doing any juice- and i'm glad to say that i was only on for 2 weeks. There's no substitute for hard work, bro! And the stack your friend is suggesting will just bulk you up... Good Luck!

 

[Lush]

Hi everyone,
Im a future mixed martial arts fighter. Ive been working my groundwork, wrestling ect. Now ive decided to improve my strength, lower bodyfat and cut my body up a bit. Im 5'8 180..(Yes i know im fat) Anyway im starting to work out for about a month now, i dont want to do things the natural way, i want to get a push in the right direction. My friend has done several cycles and has advised me to go with an eight week cycle of d-bol, test 250mg a week, and some t3. What im wanting to know is if i workout hard and diet correctly will i lose all this damn bodyfat and cut up while gaining a decent amount of strength and a little size as well? Basicaly, ive been kinda fat since i was around 17 (24 now) and i want to be able to see my abs and acually feel decent about myself. I will also be doing cardio every other day to help the bf issue. Thanks in advance

i have no experience with T3, so no opinion there. But if you want to lose some bf% and gain some strength/mass, test and d-bpol is not the way to go unless you've got a comparable amount of aniti-estrogens to go with them. test and d-bol will give lots of water retention and bloat.

It really does come down to cardio and diet. Of course adding a little fina will help alot.

For your goals try researching fina75mgED& winny50ED. Perhaps with some token amount of test to prevent fina dick.

But research a bit on fina and winny come back with more questions...

 

[Newbsauce]

Acually, I was thinking the clenbuterol would cut the bodyfat while the dbol and test would add some muscle..This isnt true?

 

[OAKBOX]

If your gonna do a cutting cycle, do a CUTTING CYCLE.

 

[Newbsauce]

Anyone else have an opinion?

 

[OAKBOX]

Are you looking for someone to say "yea, that will work, go ahead." If so, you've already decided to do it. Why ask for more opinions?

Why don't you do a search on Fina, winny, primo, T3, Clen, DNP, ECA, NYC, Yohimburn, L-dex, and others fat loss AS's. Put together a cycle and let the bro's critique.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Acually, I was thinking the clenbuterol would cut the bodyfat while the dbol and test would add some muscle..This isnt true?

It might cut your body fat...but you'll still hold water...and with you holding all this water, and taking d-bol, clen, and test...what do you think will happen to your BP? There are sides to steroids ya know? Or have you not looked into those yet? Or did some guy on the street tell you that there are no sides, so it MUST be true?

Like oakbox said...if you're just looking for someone to give you the thumbs up, just stop wasting our time.

 

[Intrigue]

I know you were looking for some reason's as to why, no-one is really advising that you jump into AAS use...

As already stated, with the Dbol/Test combination, you are going to retain quite a bit of water (a lot, being as I see no anti-e's in your list there)... It seems you are trying to lose BF, and to get some decent strength gains... I don' think this is the way to go. If you are hell-bent on cycling right this minute, with no real lifiting experience, some test and fina might help to harden you up, and increase your strength gains. On the same token however, you are going to be quite suceptible to muscle tears, joint damage and the rest, b/c you are going to start lifting weight that your foundation (body composition) will not be able to handle... I have already seen mention to a number of useful supplements which can help you to cut some fat... you might try one of those. Good luck with whatever you decide.

-I