newbie-looking for help

[mike13555]

hey bros, i'm planning on starting my first ever cycle of as
and it goes like this:

dbols[thai]-30mg ed weeks 1-6
deca[norma]-200mg week 1-8
i also have nolvadex-10 mg each tab
how do i include them??????
i got clomid for after.any advice?

thanks, later

 

[guards]

How about some stats????




Age?
Height?
Weight?
How long have you been lifting?
Bodyfat %?

 

[Alexis]

yeah give us something to work with....

 

[mike13555]

im 20 yrs old
lifting hard for little more than 2 yrs
ht-5'9" wt-199lbs
bf%11

looking to gain like 15 pounds solid

 

[nautica]

how about some test

 

[mike13555]

my source told me i didnt need test. i asked him, he said for a 1st timer this would be cool-costing him more money???

 

[nautica]

my source told me i didnt need test. i asked him, he said for a 1st timer this would be cool-costing him more money???

Your source is full of shit. Always use test for a base.

 

[jstrong20]

I think this cycle could give 15lbs. But I would probably up the deca to 400mgs ew and run it for 10 weeks.

 

[Alexis]

test is the base of almost any cycle

 

[mike13555]

cool i'll get some test 1st-thanks
but the nolvadex, how do i use this best, should i wait for symptons of gyno-and how much a day

 

[shae]

I do it this way

I take it thoughout the cycle(everyday)

 

[shae]

Nolvadex

Talking about Nolvadex

 

[mike13555]

how many tabs of nolvadex a day?
when?

 

[SofaGeorge]

My adice is 30 mg ed d-bol, 400 wk deca, 500 mg week test... this is a standard base cycle for a first timer. And it will give you 20-25 lbs in gains.

 

[Jowers]

I agree with Nautica and alexis you need to add some test. I would use either ethanate or cyp. Also if you take novadex all throughout your cycle it will cut down on water retention but I have heard many say that it decreases gains. I would do exactly like sofageorge recomended. I also wouldn't take the novadex unless I started to see sighns of gyno.

 

[genarr3]

Bro you can do a Deca & D-Bol cycle if you wish. Thousands of people have done that combo with great results. It's actually a favorite of BBer's of the past - a classic stack. There's no law that says you have to have test in every cycle. I'm on a cycle right now that contains no test. And there is no need for a 500mg a week of test dose either.

 

[mike13555]

if i use nolva all the way thru will it slow muscle gains or just what i would lose anyway in water???

by the way best forum i have found on the inet in the last yr

 

[genarr3]

Whether or not you use Nolvadex would depend on which cycle you do. If you do your first post cycle - Deca 200mg & dBol - you won't need it.
If you do one of the other cycles suggested 500mg of test and 400mg of Deca - you will need it.
There is some disagreement on whether Nolvadex hinders gains, some say it does, others say the only reason some think it hinders gains is less pounds are gained due to less water retention. I myself either take nothing or I take Arimidex/Liquidex.