newbie looking for good advice

[pockaper]

ok guys, here is the situation. i have been doing extensive research for my first cycle (this post is additional research). please let me know what you think.
stats:
i'm 5'9"
179lbs
21% BF
my goals are to lose fat and gain muscle (duh!). i don't want to get big, i want to get lean and cut. so i have decided on a cutting cycle for my first time. i would be happy not gaining any weight and simply converting my fat into muscle.
since i am a first-timer i do not want to stack anything, i need to test the waters. one steroid only. so i have chosen winstrol (from what i have read, it seems to be the best for my goals). i have started it this week.
i am taking 50mg ED. i went to mexico personally and got 2 20ml vials of 50mg/ml ilium stanabolic (made by troy labs) and 1 bottle (100 pills) of stanazolic 10mg pills made by denkall. i'm pretty sure the gear is legit because i brought down pics i have found on the web of legit gear and they match perfectly. i also went to a highly recommended spot.
since winny needs to be taken everyday, unfortunately, i am alternating. one day i do a 50mg injection, the second day i do a 50mg injection and the third day i take 50mg orally. and then repeat for 6-8 weeks. i have decided to add in the oral winny only because the injection site gets sore. even with rotating injection sites it gets to be a little much injecting ED. this at least breaks it up a bit.
as for my work out:
i alternate every day between cardio and lifting. one day i run3-4 miles and the next day i lift for 1-1.5 hours.
what do you guys think? pretty good for a beginner or no? i want to be educated and do it right. i have been doing much research and this is what i have come up with. in addition, i am a medical student so i am aware of many of the effects of AS.
sorry this is so long but i tried to get you all the info i could think of...
peace

 

[fergie]

First of all you cannot convert fat into muscle. Secondly, you don't need winny to diet down and get ripped the most important thing is diet and cardio. I would recomend using clen 2 weeks on 2weeks off if anything and do cardio first thing every morning on an empty stomach for 30 min.

 

[krisco]

First of all you cannot convert fat into muscle. Secondly, you don't need winny to diet down and get ripped the most important thing is diet and cardio. I would recomend using clen 2 weeks on 2weeks off if anything and do cardio first thing every morning on an empty stomach for 30 min.

Straight up what you said dawg!

 

[pockaper]

"convert" was an incorrect use of the term. the winny isn't so much for dieting down as it is for gaining muscle. the dieting down part i am handling with diet and cardio, as suggested.
clen is a little too speedy for me. that feeling is awful.

 

[brandonp005]

with your bf so high, you won't see shit with winny

diet right and cardio hard with some TREX from the AF store. Get your BF down to around 9-11% before you start the winny bro.

don't jump into this shit, the gear won't make your fat turn into muscle.

 

[pockaper]

the goal isn't to "turn" fat into muscle. it is to lose fat and gain muscle

 

[ruggermu]

Bro, you came on here for advice and your getting it. You ask the people here cause youfigured they knew more about it. Now you should trust the advice your getting not wait to hear what ya want. Not getting on ya, just saying.

 

[pockaper]

definitely, i understand. i appreciate and respect the advice. since i have started the cycle already (four days) is it ok to just stop it? and at what point should i start it again. with my genetics i don't know if it is ever possible to get down to less than 10% BF.

 

[pockaper]

and just for future reference, what do you guys think about the cycle?

 

[brandonp005]

with your genetics?

the TRex with help you get your BF down

really with your bf around 21% your gains are going to be hidden behind the fat

as far as the cycle goes, good luck with your joints, mine are drying out just reading your cycle

 

[pockaper]

isn't that a pretty typical cycle? what would you suggest? what is TRex and where to get it?

 

[BOOEY]

Your cycle should consist of dieting, sleeping, cardio, lifting. Stay consistent and I promise you'll see results within a month. No shortcuts bro

 

[krisco]

For Real Dawg!!
Your genetics aren't holding you back. With the right supp's, diet and training get yourself down to about 12-15% bf and then hit that Test like it owes you money
Just my opinion though

 

[brandonp005]

man, i think you need to do a little more research on here before you start messing with gear.

winny alone can be very harsh on your joints, plus it can be a bitch on the hairline


TREX is a thermogenic. You can get it at www.anabolicfitness.net/shop

bro it really sounds like your not ready for gear yet though, your diet can't be in check if your BF is so high.

 

[showtime2004]

If I were you, I'd try some clen until I had my bodyfat down to where I wanted it, then I'd use that winny to get ripped. Its not going to hurt you to stop your cycle now. Just stash the winny and save it for a later cycle.

 

[ruggermu]

I don't know much about winny since I've never used it or researched it to use. Not what I'm after right now. But like everybody said, you need to kick the BF %. I agree though if you get your diet in check and keep hitting cardio first thing I think you'll amaze your self. Good Luck

 

[pockaper]

i think i'll hold off on the cycle for now, keep it tucked away somewhere safe. after i make some progress with the BF i'll reconsider. its a shame just to let it go to waste especially after the stress of bringing it back to the states!

 

[pockaper]

true about the joints and the hairline. but wouldn't you agree that EVERY type of gear has its drawbacks, side effects?
even with PCT and any other prophylactics

 

[azul]

true about the joints and the hairline. but wouldn't you agree that EVERY type of gear has its drawbacks, side effects?

Some more than others. It depends on the person too. It is generall accepted that testosterone, deca, EQ, for example, are pretty safe, whereas when you take something like Masteron (drostanolone propionate), you're venturing into shark-infested waters

 

[pockaper]

where does the winny fit in that spectrum?

 

[shamrock11]

It's not that hard to get your body fat down with a good clean diet and careio. I dropped my body fat from 15% to about 6% in two months with just a clean diet and a hell of a lot of cardio. Just drop the bf down to 10% than hit the winny, but I wouldn't do it alone, maybe with some test.

 

[azul]

where does the winny fit in that spectrum?

Well, if I had to put it in a range of 1-10... Say, testosterone is probably a 2 or 3 (safe), winny would be 4-5. But it all depends on your genetics as well.

 

[RamRom]

It's not that hard to get your body fat down with a good clean diet and careio. I dropped my body fat from 15% to about 6% in two months with just a clean diet and a hell of a lot of cardio. Just drop the bf down to 10% than hit the winny, but I wouldn't do it alone, maybe with some test.

DAMM, i wish i could do that and drop weight like this in 2 month

 

[diesel rip]

First of all you cannot convert fat into muscle. Secondly, you don't need winny to diet down and get ripped the most important thing is diet and cardio. I would recomend using clen 2 weeks on 2weeks off if anything and do cardio first thing every morning on an empty stomach for 30 min.

amen brotha..btw people call me fergi also

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

and just for future reference, what do you guys think about the cycle?

In my experience doing Winstrol alone will give you joint pain from hell. I would definately consider a low dose of Deca say 200mg/week starting maybe 2 weeks before the Winstrol. This will eliminate the joint pain problem, and beleive me its VERY painful when heavy lifting!

As everyone else said, diet and excersise are of paramount importance....without these in place you will be dissapointed.

I would suggest you hit the cardio hard, diet properly and lift moderately for a few months. Once the bodyfat is down you can run your first cycle. Now I know you said you didn't want to stack anything but for the best results it should be considered. I think a good first time cycle would look like this....

week 1-8 Sust250 @ 250mg
week 1-8 Deca @ 200mg
week 4-8 Winstrol @50mg ed

The doses are low to minimize sides but you will still see good gains in lean body mass. With correct diet this will add some quality mass while retaining a lean appearence.

Just my opinion, good luck.

 

[slat1]

I may have missed it... but... why don't I see any PCT listed here!?!!? I wouldn't use winny without it.
As the guys said. Diet is number one. How you work out is number two. AAS are number three.
Obviously your diet is not in check at your bf level. Get you diet strait. If you don't you will not see results from your workouts let alone the use of AAS.
I think you jumped the gun on this one!

 

[slat1]

I sent you a PM for your diet!

 

[BOOEY]

It's not that hard to get your body fat down with a good clean diet and careio. I dropped my body fat from 15% to about 6% in two months with just a clean diet and a hell of a lot of cardio. Just drop the bf down to 10% than hit the winny, but I wouldn't do it alone, maybe with some test.

Were you able to hold onto muscle? If so, interested to see what your cardio schedule looked like .. I'm about to start cutting next month