New Member Critique First Cycle:

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Just curious to know what you all thought of the first cycle I have planned to buy. TTokkyo deca at 375mgs a week for 8 weeks and TTokkyo winny at 50mgs a day for weeks 3-8. Will have clomid for post-cycle. Stats: 27 years old, 5'10",195#. Any and all comments welcome ! ! Was planning on trip to Nuevo Laredo soon. I hope with proper diet, sleep, and training I would build some good muscle mass. Have been Reading and searching on this board for the past 8 months for knowledge I hope it has payed off.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think it's ok...It would be 1000x better if you added some test in there.

Test............500mg/wk..........1-8
Deca...........375mg/wk.........1-8
Winny.........50mg/ED............5-10
clomid...................................11-13
Arimidex----.25mg/ED............1-13

 

[primobone]

agree with bulldog, if u dont have the test there's a possibility mr. weinke down below wont be to active. That progesterone that deca has is killer on the sex drive. the winny is definitely a good choice for solid strength and will prevent the chance of the prog gyno. Looks like u done your research on this cycle and good luck!!

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Thanks, Bulldog I'm sure it would be but I feel like I should probably wait and hit the Test hard on my second cycle with d-bol or eq or anavar. But I do appreciate the advise. Thanks ! !

 

[Bulldog_10]

Why wait bro? Even if it's just test at a low dose I would throw it in there. Test/deca/winny is one of the best cycle out there, IMO.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Bulldog, do you think that sustanon@250 a week is enough. Cause I'd sure like to hit it say around 500-600mgs a week next cycle. I just would'nt want it to interfere with next cycle of test. I'm just not sure.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Honestly...I'd go all out with 500mg/wk. But 250mg/wk should be good too. I'd definately add it in, the dose is up to you.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Thanks Bulldog, while we're on the subject, which test would you run for the deca/winstrol cycle, and why?

 

[Bulldog_10]

I'd hit up cyp or enanthate. Almost the same length ester as deca, so you time your clomid better.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Obviously prop would be best, but I don't like the frequent injections.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Do you have a favorite brand of Test Enanthate and have you ever tried sustanon. If so how did it work for you.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I've tried IP sustanon...Good stuff. Never tried enanthate, I'm going to try to get my hands on some for my next cycle.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Bulldog, one last question when I use a roid that produces alot of estrogen such as test and d-bol do you feel .25mgs of arimidex will be adequate enough to keep bloat down and gyno away.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Yup! .25mg/ED should be fine.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Thanks again bulldog for all your help in starting my anabolic lifestyle ! ! !

 

[badazzwhitedude]

I've used both Sust and Enanthate. Sust tends to leave the injection site a little more sore for the next couple of days than Enanthate. Plus, some tend to get "Sust flu," but I never have. Those might be some things for you to consider.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

BadAzz, what brands of the Test did you use and what where your gains?

 

[badazzwhitedude]

As far as Enanthate, it has only ever been T200 (Brovel & Tornel). I had good results with the Brovel for a low dose as it was my first cycle. I am taking Tornel right now with EQ but I didn't have that good of gains. I got sick in the middle of the cycle and I didn't eat and train as much. So it's not far to judge this cycle. But I did manage to maintain my strength, as I felt I would have lost some if I had not been taking the Test/EQ.

 

[mike001]

BenchMaster, why use 1.25 ml's of deca?? also, stick with enanthate, much better gains and its always better to have not such long esters. i love enanthate. using enanthate and dianabol is awesome. you just have to try it.
i'll wait for your reply.
Mike

p.s. your not from california are you

 

[badazzwhitedude]

As far as Sust, i had great results. I did a small cycle for my second cycle (before I knew much) I did 500mg first 2 weeks and 250mg the next 6 weeks after. I gained 14 lbs.

Another cycle I did went like this:

Week..........Sust..........Primo
1..................250..................
2..................250..................
3..................500..................
4..................500..................
5..................250............200
6..................250............100
7....................................200
8....................................100

This was before I knew about these message boards. Now I know how to compose a much better cycle. But I did gain 12 lbs from this cycle and I kept 10. May I add that I also had NO CLOMID. I am still impressed that I kept that much of the gains w/o Clomid. I only took Tribulus.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Mike, The reason behind the 1.25mls of deca is because I'll be bringing the stuff accross the mexican border and don't want to have to much at once. TTokkyo deca equals 10mls so i figured at 1.25mls would be fine@375mgs a week give me a reply back if you have input.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Thanks again bulldog for all your help in starting my anabolic lifestyle ! ! !

No Problem Bro! If you have any more questions just shoot me an e-mail or a PM anytime! Either way...keep me updated on how your first cycle goes.

Good luck!
B-10

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Sorry Mike didn't see the P.S. Your guess is right, I'm From Texas. About an hour away from Houston It takes about 4 hours to get to Nuevo Laredo.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Mike, The reason behind the 1.25mls of deca is because I'll be bringing the stuff accross the mexican border and don't want to have to much at once. TTokkyo deca equals 10mls so i figured at 1.25mls would be fine@375mgs a week give me a reply back if you have input.

I think that's a very good dose for the Deca. It will last you a full 8 weeks.

 

[mike001]

375mg seems fine. keep me updated as well.
2 cycles ago, i actually went hay wire with the test esters!!
heres what it looked like:

wk -- sust----prop---enan---deca----anadrol--winstrol---
1------750-----50-----200---------------100mg---------------
2------750-----50-----200---------------150mg---------------
3------750-----50-----200---------------150mg---------------
4------750-----50-----200---------------100mg---------------
5------750-----50-----200------400----------------------------
6------750-----50-----200------400----------------------------
7------750-----50-----200------400----------------------------
8------750-----50-----200------400-------------------700-----
9------750-----50-----200------400-------------------700-----
10----750-----50-----200------400-------------------700-----
11----750-----50-----200------400-------------------700-----
12----750-----50-----200------400-------------------700-----
13---------------------------------------------------------700-----
14---------------------------------------------------------700-----
15---------------------------------------------------------700-----

it is almost like yours... i gained 20lbs of LBM and lost 6 inches on my waist while losing 10% BF in these 15 weeks.
if i wew you i would add some dbol and not start the winstrol till week 4-5.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

BadAzz, What do you think about front loading the Test as your previous reply said about the sustanon.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Frontloading is a good idea as you will start making gains a bit quicker. If you don't want to frontload, you can just take D-bol instead for the first 4 weeks like many do.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Mike, If I read your cycle correctly you used winstrol @ 100mgs a day. How do you think the winny at that dose helped with your weight lose ?

 

[ultragainz]

100mgs of winny ed is a lot a lot of people like it i never went over 50mgs ed..but take ALA for the liver at 600-1000mgs a day along with some other liver protectors and drink a lot of water too.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

BadAzz, I'm curious as to how d-bol will effect me as far as sides go, How about with you and at what doses?

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Ultra, out of curosity have you ever done a deca/winny only cycle and at what doses, gains?

 

[badazzwhitedude]

BadAzz, I'm curious as to how d-bol will effect me as far as sides go, How about with you and at what doses?

This past summer, I did a D-bol only cycle. Well, almost. I had 2 amps of Sust left over from a previous cycle and decided to shoot them up. But I wanted to see how my body reacted to the D-bol since I had never taken it. I took 15mg a day for a few weeks and I gained some pretty good strength from it. I gained 8 lbs, kept 4 lbs. I loved the way it made me feel and look. Even from that small of a dose, my muscles were full and I was pretty swole. The one side I had was high blood pressure.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

BadAzz, so do you think that Ishoul put off on d-bol till i get two cycles under my belt or just trial by error ?

 

[badazzwhitedude]

NO you don't have to wait. A Test/D-bol/Deca cycle is killer for mass. You could do this:

Test 250mg weeks 1-8
D-bol 20mg/day weeks 1-4
Deca 375mg weeks 1-8
Winny 50mg/day weeks 5-10

Start Clomid half-way into week 11 (about 3 days after you last take Winny).

The Test is mainly there for the sex drive, but it will contribute slightly to the cycle is it is synergestic with everything else you are taking. Most of your size from this cycle will be from the Deca and D-bol.

It's a very modest cycle, but well planned and if your diet/rest/training are right, you could gain around 15+ lbs from this with it being your first cycle.

 

[B.C. BenchMaster]

Thanks BadAzz It looks like I'll have one hell of a cycle going before it's over with. But then again it's all in the name of gains.

 

[mike001]

breakfast of champions is the best for beginners, hehehehe.
good luck bro and keep updated