New found Respect for Nelson Mandela

[2Thick]

He put good 'ole GW Bush in his place.

"one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/30/sprj.irq.mandela/index.html

 

[Frackal]

bump

 

[TxArmyGuy]

This from a Man who's country leads the world in Young Women being raped and he himself a Wife beater...Brilliant

 

[2Thick]

This from a Man who's country leads the world in Young Women being raped and he himself a Wife beater...Brilliant

So you are saying that b/c he is not perfect he cannot criticize anyone else?

Okay, then no person on earth besides the Pope and the late Mother Theresa can criticize...

Is that what you are saying?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Yes. Mandela is good. Wasnt his wife the douche that was wailing away on "the white devil", and that we wanted them to practice safe sex not to control aids, but to control the manrilla population? Who gives a fuck what he says.

 

[CanadianCripple]

Hmmm? Mandela obviously didn't appreciate the money Bush pledged for African AIDs relief. Guess Bush must not have been thinking clearly when he came up with that crazy idea.

Mandela has really lost his mind.

 

[TxArmyGuy]

no Feel free to criticize all you want...but calling someone names or making claims that a Leader of a Nation isn't capable of thinking, isn't going to solve the issues or make that person take you anymore serious

 

[JohnyJuice]

Yes, every leader should take a hint for mandela. Aside from preaching to the manrillas of africa, what has he accoplished?

 

[manny78]

Mandela the former terrorist

Mandela the wife beater

Mandela the commie

are we talking abou the same guy ?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Ooga booga. White devils be holdin us down! Giv eme som money fo shit. I juss gonna use it fo gorilla woah's (wars) and shits, but whateva. You white mo fuckas be holdin me down anyway. Now where da nearis aids infeckid hoe dat i can rape and put ma dick in?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Mandela the former terrorist

Mandela the wide beater

Mandela the commie

are we talking abou the same guy ?

Same knee-grow

 

[jerkbox]

mandela can go to hell.

 

[atlantabiolab]

This Nelson Mandela, leader of the ANC?

One method of quelling opposition used by the African National Congress (ANC) was called "necklacing." The victims, who were most often Black, had their hands tied behind their backs. The cartilage behind their ankles and knees was cut by Pangas (machetes) so that the victim had no escape. A tire was then placed around their necks, filled with gas and set on fire, melting around the neck and shoulders of the victim engulfing them in flames --truly a monstrous crime against humanity. Nelson Mandela's wife, Winnie Mandela, ran the ANC in his absence. One article (Ref. 2) states "In 1986 she made a speech in which she talked about achieving liberation from apartheid by using "necklaces" - a reference to the brutal murder of suspected collaborators" and "A 14-year-old activist, Stompei Seipei Moketsi, was kidnapped by her guards and later found murdered."

Every man is allowed to voice their opinion. There is no right to have that opinion regarded as worthy.

Mandela is a Marxist tyrant, like most African dictators.

 

[JohnyJuice]

This Nelson Mandela, leader of the ANC?



Every man is allowed to voice their opinion. There is no right to have that opinion regarded as worthy.

Mandela is a Marxist tyrant, like most African dictators.

But Mandela is black, therefore he can not be held accountable. He is also a far leftist commie who speaks out against bush, so he must be correct. The guy who does shit like "necklacing" speaks out against america protecting itself and taking out only military targets, while showing mercy n all those who surrender, and even those who dont. Hysterical.

 

[manny78]

Mandela the leader of the ANC

Judge it by yourself

 

[Citruscide]

So you are saying that b/c he is not perfect he cannot criticize anyone else?

Okay, then no person on earth besides the Pope and the late Mother Theresa can criticize...

Is that what you are saying?

Late Mother Theresa and MYSELF that is.....

New Found respect for Nelson Mandella??? LOL -- wow... I hope you ment to say a Bolstered respect.

c-ditty

 

[The Almighty]

Ive always wondered why Mandella has been gievn so much credit. The guy is a tool.

According to him, the U.S. has "committed unspeakable atrocities in the world." LOL take a look in the mirror buddy boy.

 

[louden_swain]

Bottom line. . . . .

The UN should work together to form a solution.

There is no need for the US to display a cowboy attitude.

The people of Iraq do not want a war, even though Saddam does.

Saddam could care less about his people and whether or not they die.

 

[CanadianCripple]

Bottom line. . . . .

The UN should work together to form a solution.

Beyond what it's TRIED to do in the last decade +, what do you propose the U.N. do (the U.N. only being the sum of it's parts)?

 

[ariolanine]

He put good 'ole GW Bush in his place.

"one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/30/sprj.irq.mandela/index.html

He should know. He plunged the white population of SA into a holocaust.

 

[danielson]

why are people holding the crimes of his wife against him?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Bottom line. . . . .

The UN should work together to form a solution.

How do you expect a federation of nations that have no common background, and in many cases true hatreds of each other, to come together on an issue?

The US is a successful federation of states BECAUSE we are derived from a common stock of people who shared values, history, beliefs, etc. The UN does not have this and therefore will be ineffective and an obstructionist to our needs.

 

[Drivenone]

He put good 'ole GW Bush in his place.

"one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/30/sprj.irq.mandela/index.html

A long read but has some real insight on how Mandela chose to lead his organization. I am at a loss for words for someone that has A NEW FOUND RESPECT for someone like this!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19085

 

[Kalashnikov]

Is it too late to put Mandela back in prison?

 

[manny78]

Hey guys remember, the US was supporting the embargo against SOuth AFrica, so technically they sided with the Marxist ANC. Weird no ?

 

[Mandinka2]

he himself a Wife beater...Brilliant

Please quote source , I doubt if anyone ever beat Winnie Mandela , she is a total and utter psycho and has been arrested for several brutal murders

 

[HumorMe]

quoted by Nelson Mandela


''Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white,'' he said.

Yep! When you don't have an argument always resort to the race card.

Typical response from somebody fishing for a reaction.

My respect for Mandela is zilch!

 

[MR.?]

The lack of intelligence on this board is ever so apparent. Mandela is a great leader who sacrificed so much for his native South Africa. Many of you who replied are obviously ignorant of the history of South Africa and of the accomplishments of Nelson Mandela. Mandela is the savior of South Africa. Crime may be high is South Africa, but this is due to the violent and oppressive precedent that apartheid created. Black South Africans were maliciously murdered, raped, beaten and incarcerated for fighting for rights you take for granted each and ever day.

You all need to research the violent and oppressive history of South Africa and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission before you make such farcical and impulsive comments.

 

[The Almighty]

Why? Because the schools liberal teachers were teaching the youth of America to love this terrorist.

Makes sense. I wonder if they know that this Mandella prick ordered kids in Africa to burn down their own schools, which they actually ended up doing.

 

[manny78]

The lack of intelligence on this board is ever so apparent. Mandela is a great leader who sacrificed so much for his native South Africa. Many of you who replied are obviously ignorant of the history of South Africa and of the accomplishments of Nelson Mandela. Mandela is the savior of South Africa. Crime may be high is South Africa, but this is due to the violent and oppressive precedent that apartheid created. Black South Africans were maliciously murdered, raped, beaten and incarcerated for fighting for rights you take for granted each and ever day.

You all need to research the violent and oppressive history of South Africa and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission before you make such farcical and impulsive comments.

Blacks should remember that any technology/lifestyle they're enjoying today was brought by the white man. The ANC was a commie organization, which IMO is worse than the apartheid itself. Funny how Zulus for example were not complaining but the only the commies....

 

[danielson]

Blacks should remember that any technology/lifestyle they're enjoying today was brought by the white man. The ANC was a commie organization, which IMO is worse than the apartheid itself. Funny how Zulus for example were not complaining but the only the commies....

much of the technology i enjoy living under today was created by the nazi's or rooted from german scientists who went to the east or west. should i thank hitler or forgive his genocide of innocents?

its the same situation....fine they may have had communist roots and support. the fact of the matter is democracies were supporting apartheid and a hell of a lot of the bad guys in the reigon? was it really their fault, should u bite the hand that feeds you?

as for whether apartheid is better than communism, it depends on persepctive, i wouldnt live under either. but without loomking at actual practise, one afforded equal rights to all of its citizens, the other restricted them. if you were on the restricted side, which wold you prefer?

terrorism? funny how no-one mentions the massacres of innocents as well......bad guys on BOTH sides.

 

[MassiveGunz]

Bro, I have no ideas who nelson Mandola is but I respoect Ronni Coleman because hes as stacked as stacked can be.

 

[MassiveGunz]

Teachers arent very intelligent people. They see a liberal cause and they blindly follow it. Think about what they taught you in school about global warming, ozone layer, recycling and other environmental issues. All that stuff is false garbage that liberals are trained to believe in.

Cool bro! So you like rOnni Colesman to?

 

[BronzedGoddess]

Ooga booga. White devils be holdin us down! Giv eme som money fo shit. I juss gonna use it fo gorilla woah's (wars) and shits, but whateva. You white mo fuckas be holdin me down anyway. Now where da nearis aids infeckid hoe dat i can rape and put ma dick in?

What's your problem?

 

[manny78]

much of the technology i enjoy living under today was created by the nazi's or rooted from german scientists who went to the east or west. should i thank hitler or forgive his genocide of innocents?

its the same situation....fine they may have had communist roots and support. the fact of the matter is democracies were supporting apartheid and a hell of a lot of the bad guys in the reigon? was it really their fault, should u bite the hand that feeds you?

as for whether apartheid is better than communism, it depends on persepctive, i wouldnt live under either. but without loomking at actual practise, one afforded equal rights to all of its citizens, the other restricted them. if you were on the restricted side, which wold you prefer?

terrorism? funny how no-one mentions the massacres of innocents as well......bad guys on BOTH sides.

I basically compare Mandela with Arafat. Both probably had good intentions but bottom line we look at the result. Only difference is Mandela was a well known commie.

As for Nazi, wait. Hitler was elected by his fellow citizens. At the beginning he did some good for his country (Autobahns for example). He just had some twisted plans.

 

[HumorMe]

Teachers arent very intelligent people.

 

[2Thick]

The lack of intelligence on this board is ever so apparent. Mandela is a great leader who sacrificed so much for his native South Africa. Many of you who replied are obviously ignorant of the history of South Africa and of the accomplishments of Nelson Mandela. Mandela is the savior of South Africa. Crime may be high is South Africa, but this is due to the violent and oppressive precedent that apartheid created. Black South Africans were maliciously murdered, raped, beaten and incarcerated for fighting for rights you take for granted each and ever day.

You all need to research the violent and oppressive history of South Africa and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission before you make such farcical and impulsive comments.

 

[TxArmyGuy]

NM is a Moron...Yeah his intentions were good and it's great that blacks that make up the majority are now given the right to decide for themselves...The Majority Rules which is the way it is always will be, but is SA a better country now that even more ignorant people are running the show?? I think not

But at least they were given the right to fuck up their country even more which in the end is the bottom line for me. CHOICE

No how does all this bickering about what kind of Person NM have anything to do with his Comments about GWB? NM Did do alot for his people, but whats going on today is in no way related to what the struggle was about. Now his country is continuing to go deeper into the Shitter, he no longer has power and decides to make insults against the leader of our country...I wonder what he would say if we decided to cut off aid to his pathetic excuse for a nation since we are being run by someone who isn't capable of thinking properly. Why would his country want to accept money from a Leader who can't think?? Because This country is where the $$$ is at and those bastards know it...We the people elected GWB so what does that say for this country???

it's 2003 not 1960, Shit still might suck in many places but it's no where near the same as when the so called "Struggle" was taking place and the same bitches and complaints are sorry excuses now. What interests does NM have as to what we do with Iraq or any other Nation that sponsors Terror? His country is risk free, who would want to bomb or hurt his people? they have nothing and offer nothing to the world

 

[MR.?]

TxArmyGuy,

I will agree with all who label South Africa a troubled nation in despair, but for reasons much more complex than that of the average person. South Africa can not easily rebound from its previous history. It will take time before the scar of apartheid fades from the surface. The racial, ethnic and socio economic divide that still remains after apartheid will take generations to overcome.

Nelson Mandela knows what it's like to go without the help of United States. Mandela was serving a life sentence while the United States watched the innocent murder, rape and incarceration of black South African's. Many of our President's watched idly the devastating effects of apartheid on South Africa as a whole. The end of apartheid was a victory for all of South Africa despite the lack of support from the United States who arrogantly preaches to the world democracy, freedom and liberty yet, turned a blind eye to segregation, murder, poverty and famine in South Africa during the treacherous reign of white South African government sponsored segregation.

Would you all stand by and watch your rights be stripped away by an oppressive government? Would you like your government to tell you to live in shanty towns, to live without sewage or proper health care? Would you like to be denied proper education? Would you like it if the government sent in the military for warrant less mass arrests? Would you like the government to be able to incarcerate you b/c you want equal rights? Would you want the military to fire into your peaceful demonstrations killing hundreds of innocents? Would you like the police to pull you over b/c your in an unauthorized area, beat you and kill you? This was APARTHEID!

I don't think any of you would allow this to happen in the United States nor would I.

It's ironic how you all complain about how affirmative action discriminates against qualified white applicants, yet you act like apartheid was normal.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Originally posted by MortyJackson


Why? Because the schools liberal teachers were teaching the youth of America to love this terrorist. [/B]

they also teach us to love the 'treasoners' that started this country. its all about perspective.

 

[danielson]

I basically compare Mandela with Arafat. Both probably had good intentions but bottom line we look at the result. Only difference is Mandela was a well known commie.

As for Nazi, wait. Hitler was elected by his fellow citizens. At the beginning he did some good for his country (Autobahns for example). He just had some twisted plans.

ok, so mandela essentially got what he wanted and it resulted in the mess that is modern day SA.....

he's not as corrupt as arafat

he was the democratically elected leader of his people

the fact he was a communist doesnlt change the fact that he felt a great sorrow for the regieme inflicted upon other blacks, and that it was being supported by the civilised world at some points


mandela did some good for his country....he got rid of apartheid. ok, so he wass unwilling to crack down on blacks in that country, fine. being locked up in a cell probably made him a tad resentful.

i dont think he was ever a natural leader of his people, rather someone tghrust into the role and who fulfilled it, but i dont see how posts here can attack him, but not acknowledge he was essentially fighting african wannabe nazi's and did it by whatever means necessary (i.e. with whoever;s support was given)

now he;s not attached politically to SA, he can state his opinion, remember if bill clinton spoke out, he wouldnt reflect the "US's views anymore, so i think mandela is completely ok to say this, its just one persons views.

 

[TxArmyGuy]

TxArmyGuy,

I will agree with all who label South Africa a troubled nation in despair, but for reasons much more complex than that of the average person. South Africa can not easily rebound from its previous history. It will take time before the scar of apartheid fades from the surface. The racial, ethnic and socio economic divide that still remains after apartheid will take generations to overcome.

Nelson Mandela knows what it's like to go without the help of United States. Mandela was serving a life sentence while the United States watched the innocent murder, rape and incarceration of black South African's. Many of our President's watched idly the devastating effects of apartheid on South Africa as a whole. The end of apartheid was a victory for all of South Africa despite the lack of support from the United States who arrogantly preaches to the world democracy, freedom and liberty yet, turned a blind eye to segregation, murder, poverty and famine in South Africa during the treacherous reign of white South African government sponsored segregation.

Would you all stand by and watch your rights be stripped away by an oppressive government? Would you like your government to tell you to live in shanty towns, to live without sewage or proper health care? Would you like to be denied proper education? Would you like it if the government sent in the military for warrant less mass arrests? Would you like the government to be able to incarcerate you b/c you want equal rights? Would you want the military to fire into your peaceful demonstrations killing hundreds of innocents? Would you like the police to pull you over b/c your in an unauthorized area, beat you and kill you? This was APARTHEID!

I don't think any of you would allow this to happen in the United States nor would I.

It's ironic how you all complain about how affirmative action discriminates against qualified white applicants, yet you act like apartheid was normal.

I can agree with you that I wouldn't stand for that shit, but the beauty of this situation is that WE(America) can pick and choose who we help. We aren't here to spend money helping people who offer nothing in return. Unfortunately I'm afraid the Clinton Admin set a bad example by getting so involved with the Balkans We didn't do anything to help them cause SA had nothing for us. the Middle East offers Resources, Strategic location to Europe and Asia. SA is near nothing of any value to us and offers us no value

It seems like a simple truth that over most of our countries history we help those who in return help us. SA doesn't seem to fit that description. I dont see SA being able to change things in my lifetime, but maybe they might surprise me, which wouldn't be the 1st time for me to be surprised. I never thought Russia would remain Communist Free this long

 

[manny78]

I can agree with you that I wouldn't stand for that shit, but the beauty of this situation is that WE(America) can pick and choose who we help. We aren't here to spend money helping people who offer nothing in return. Unfortunately I'm afraid the Clinton Admin set a bad example by getting so involved with the Balkans We didn't do anything to help them cause SA had nothing for us. the Middle East offers Resources, Strategic location to Europe and Asia. SA is near nothing of any value to us and offers us no value

South African's shrimps are probably the best i've ever tasted. Could be a reason to get involved

 

[atlantabiolab]

The lack of intelligence on this board is ever so apparent. Mandela is a great leader who sacrificed so much for his native South Africa. Many of you who replied are obviously ignorant of the history of South Africa and of the accomplishments of Nelson Mandela. Mandela is the savior of South Africa. Crime may be high is South Africa, but this is due to the violent and oppressive precedent that apartheid created. Black South Africans were maliciously murdered, raped, beaten and incarcerated for fighting for rights you take for granted each and ever day.

You all need to research the violent and oppressive history of South Africa and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission before you make such farcical and impulsive comments.

The whole problem with your argument is that you simply glorified a man because he was against an immoral institution, without looking at his solution. Lenin is a hero in your logic, and actually very analogous to Mandela since they share a similar political view. Mandela is an avowed Marxist, which has one of the worst records in history on individual rights violations, and has supported the regimes of China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, etc. He led the ANC which has a horrible record in terms of murders and corruption.

South Africa would have been better if they would have been allowed to maintain the previous leadership and simply dissolve the system of apartheid, instead of following the rantings of a Communist. You cannot give leadership of a country to people who have never run anything and expect them to flourish as a society, example: Zimbabwe.

 

[biteme]

If Manela took part in any of the crimes he has been accused of on this board, then he is total scum and the world will be better off when he's dead.

 

[Spartacus]

(2003-01-31) -- Former South African President Nelson Mandela said today he looks forward to celebrating his 1,075th birthday this coming July 21st.

The Nobel Peace Laureate earlier today accused U.S. President George Bush of wanting to attack Iraq to control its oil, which he said constitutes 64 percent of global production. But he soon forgot his anger as he contemplated birthday plans.

Mr. Mandela said he may mark the start of his 1,076th year with a party in Baghdad, Iraq, which he said is "a city of 3.5 billion peace-loving free people."

"I'm looking forward to the party," said Mr. Mandela. "It should be more fun than when I won the Nobel Prize for mathematics 287 years ago, in 1993