Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below OK...I know most of you folks are pretty hardcore, but I'm new to the body building world. I'm doing pretty OK with increasing strength and muscle mass. I'm religious about my cardio and diet, but just can't seem to "get cut." Several people have suggested winstrol, but I'm a little scared of steroids. I'm a girl and want to keep looking like one...so will this really work WITHOUT making me look (and sound) a little masculine and what is the smallest EFFECTIVE dose? Thanks for the help!
Need winstrol advice...PLEASE HELP!!!
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mrplunkey
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I've read about women who have good and bad stories about winstrol. Even though it's considered "milder" in terms of it's androgenic properties, I think it can still hit women pretty hard.
Isn't Anavar the drug of choice for females? Maybe something like an Anavar / Clenbuterol cycle so you can keep (or gain) muscle even in the face of a caloric deficict?
Isn't Anavar the drug of choice for females? Maybe something like an Anavar / Clenbuterol cycle so you can keep (or gain) muscle even in the face of a caloric deficict?
You are correct, DIV, but this isn't exactly clinical medicine and current approved medical literature/database addresses dosing for patients with adrenal insufficiencies or other pathophysiology. Besides, this is kind of a tabboo topic in medicine...as I'm sure you know. And, I'm trying to tap experience from professionals, not just those at my local gym. But, thanks for the input.
kellygirl said:
fair enough..
If you're scared of virilization sides, use low does Winstrol or Anavar.....
In women, Winstrol is better for an athlete while Anavar is more favorable for cosmetic purposes (ie tightening up the physique, muscle density).
Low dose? 10-20MG range......of course it varies, but you can't go wrong with such a low dose.
I'm sure you being an MD can find an Endocrinologist who specializes in HRT and athletes......those are the ones who will be able to help you.
DIV
trinidad
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kellygirl said:
I'd stay away from the winstrol. Anavar would probably be a good bet for you plus it's oral so you avoid the needles. 30 mgs. a day for 6-8 wks. If you don't fear the pins eq or primo. You can check out some steroid profiles and their effects at www.steroid.com
Let me guess - a MALE told you to try Winny, right?
There is a post on this board about WOmen's options other than Var. Read that.
Also, visit the Women's Board to get more info - there are tons of stickies with good info.
ANd the above poster was correct. Getting cut has VERY LITTLE to do with steroids....it is ALL diet.
Please visit the Women's Board - you'll get all the advice you need to reach your goals.
There is a post on this board about WOmen's options other than Var. Read that.
Also, visit the Women's Board to get more info - there are tons of stickies with good info.
ANd the above poster was correct. Getting cut has VERY LITTLE to do with steroids....it is ALL diet.
Please visit the Women's Board - you'll get all the advice you need to reach your goals.
kellygirl said:
You're an MD, you make a lot of money.......at least 3 what most of us kids on the forum rake in every year minus taxes.
Don't complain, please......
Plus you get all the "Cialis", "Viagra", "Depo-Testosterone" pens and pads you want from the pharmaceutical reps who come by every Thursday.
Don't front.......
DIV
OK, Sweed...Stats are as follows:
Ht 5'5" and 137 pounds. Current body fat is 15-16 % (Yeah, I know that's not great..hence my question here today...I'm seriously frustrated)
In the gym 6 days a week doing alternating days of upper and lower body resistance training. One hour of cardio (with heart rate 120-130) EVERY day (hating that!) I have a trainer who posses a PhD in Kinesiology; but admittedly, his speciality is training long-distance/endurance runners. Oh, and I SERIOUSLY ride/train 5 competition dressage horses 6 days a week. (If anyone thinks this isn't a workout, you ought to try it!)
Diet is low carb, high protein with a moderate amount of fat and serious sodium restrictions. Caloric intake averages 1600-1700 cals/day.
Any thoughts?
Ht 5'5" and 137 pounds. Current body fat is 15-16 % (Yeah, I know that's not great..hence my question here today...I'm seriously frustrated)
In the gym 6 days a week doing alternating days of upper and lower body resistance training. One hour of cardio (with heart rate 120-130) EVERY day (hating that!) I have a trainer who posses a PhD in Kinesiology; but admittedly, his speciality is training long-distance/endurance runners. Oh, and I SERIOUSLY ride/train 5 competition dressage horses 6 days a week. (If anyone thinks this isn't a workout, you ought to try it!)
Diet is low carb, high protein with a moderate amount of fat and serious sodium restrictions. Caloric intake averages 1600-1700 cals/day.
Any thoughts?
Winny is SO NOT a drug with minimal sides.
Winny is a hit or miss drug - some women (small percent) it works well. Most women, it is hell. They get more sides than results.
Winny is a hit or miss drug - some women (small percent) it works well. Most women, it is hell. They get more sides than results.
kellygirl said:
Okay.
1) 15-16% for a female is awesome. I bet you have some serious muscle definition showing at this percent. How did you have that tested?
2) ALternating upper/lower body weight training is good to start. You need to go past that. I suggest a push/pull split - with HEAVY weight. For example:
Mon - Chest / Shoulders / Triceps
Weds - Back / Biceps
Fri - Legs
3) 1 hour cardio everyday? Are you joking? This is a FANTASTIC way to lose muscle mass. Esp if weight training isn't HEAVY. How is the intensity of this cardio?
With this cardio, and the horse training, I think you are putting your body into muscle catabolism.
4) I bet your body has seriously adapted to this moderate-intensity geneal workout plan. You need to overhaul this training plan.
5) List your SPECIFIC diet. I mean....times, food choices, food amounts, measurements, sizes, condiments, water intake, how food prepared, etc. You need to list EVERYTHING you eat in a day. The more specifics the better.
6) WHY limit sodium? It does nothing to help or hinder fat loss.
7) Check out the WOmen's Board. Especially the Stickies at the top.
trinidad
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kellygirl said:
You can find them at www.anabolicfitness.net they are one of the sponsor's of this board. There's also a discount code you can enter to get a better price on their stuff. I took it for about 3 months and just got some for my girlfriend last week. There are alot of posts on here about thermorexin, also known as t-rex. It's NOT a steroid and is completely legal.
kellygirl said:
Kelley, even low doses of winny can cause unwanted sides in women. I would suggest (at least for your first cycle) you try some var. you could run 15mg daily workout and cut calories and the var will not only allow you to keep what you have, but possibly even add new mass while cutting. My wife has never had any negative side's from var
Makavelli
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Now that I've seen your stats and diet I can chime in... 
The Figure competitors that I work with use Primo for the whole 16 week diet and then anavar the last 6 weeks. I found this combo to work extremely well. In addition I always have them add nolvadex the last 4 weeks and Proviron the last week.
The Figure competitors that I work with use Primo for the whole 16 week diet and then anavar the last 6 weeks. I found this combo to work extremely well. In addition I always have them add nolvadex the last 4 weeks and Proviron the last week.
Hey Champ...Thanks for that info. Have been checking into the T-Rex, Glucorell, and Levorex today. While I cannot find a lot of solid medical research to support their effects, there does seem to be a lot of antecdotal support. So, I think I may try your advice and get those. Just don't have a real good feeling about anything more than that. Think I'll leave the stronger stuff to the professionals. I'm not trying to make the cover of Muscle and Fitness....just want to look tight in a bikini!
courtneybcca
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I also suggest to stay away from the winny. I did a small cycle last spring. 10 shots everyother day. The beginning of the cycle went well but towards the end of it I started to get very emotional. That is when I came on here for advice. After I completed the cycle I got very sick and was in bed for about 2 weeks. I had a horrible experience with and DO NOT recommend it for females.
toxicsambo
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kellygirl said:
Instead of Winstrol, I would say Clenbuterol. That would melt off fat ALONG with a revised diet. gl
Yep...in the vet world it's called Ventipulmin. Since the drug is a beta agonist, it causes brochodilation and stimulatory effects which work great for competition horses like mine or for old horses that have heaves (the horse version of emphysema.) Wires them up like crazy...you have to be ready for a serious ride as they can get kind of wild on the stuff. But, I love it like that!!!!
By the way, tried to answer that other question, but couldn't
By the way, tried to answer that other question, but couldn't
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