Need some opinions on cycle

[tap0621]

I know I can get some opinions. I have a.......friend, yeah that's it, a friend that needs some opinions on his next cycle. He has a hard time getting gear and doesn't have a lot of money. He is not a novice. As a matter of fact, he will probably just do the shit the way he wants to unless you can back up your opinion with some intellegent reasoning.

He has 2 10cc vials of DECA 300mg/ml, 4 10cc vials of test enan 200mg/ml (Mexican Testarona so count on it being under dosed), and 15 Primo Vials.

The questions that come to mind, (while helping him figure out the best bang for the buck...) are:

1. stack 'em all together?
If not, how would you separate them?

2. Front load?

3. the Primo up front or in the end of the cycle. He plans on staying on until the shit runs out.

I've been hearing a lot about front loading, then droping back to a very moderate dose for two or three weeks, then loading up, then dropping back? Any validity to that? I have never tried it that way. I usually front load and drop to a weeking dosage and then taper off at the end.

And NO!, I will not send the shit to your house for proper testing. Sorry.

 

[Zyglamail]

I've been hearing a lot about front loading, then droping back to a very moderate dose for two or three weeks, then loading up, then dropping back? Any validity to that?

I suffer the most sides and the start of a cycle when androgen levels start to rise, after about 2 weeks sides taper off and pretty much disappear. I think its the wildy varying hormone levels that cause much of people discomfort and one reason I personally like to frontload. There of course are many considerations such as inj frequency, where injected etc etc that all play a part in how fast a given AAS hits the blood stream. These are all things that are very dificult to take into consideration so I generally fall back on the one thing that we do know and that is the half life.

By using the half life alone and plotting a graph based on dosing freq. and half life we can get a semi decent representation of blood levels over the course of a cycle. A frontload that is done right (in my opinion) is one that brings blood levels up to the point where they would normally peak in a cycle, only much sooner. On A standard flat dosed cycle (ie 400mg/wk, every week for 10 weeks lets say) blood levels of AAS dont peak until after the last injection. On a frontloaded cycle they should peak within the first 2-3 weeks and at that point blood levels should remain fairly constant until after last injection. Thge end result is that your androgen levels should be more constant for a longer period of time.

 

[tap0621]

Good stuff man! Thanks for the input.

In three days you are the only response. I guess that means you and I are all alone here in the netherworld. For the cost of being Platinum, I could buy an extra couple of bottles of test per year. You ever think about that?

 

[Slopain]

Good stuff man! Thanks for the input.

In three days you are the only response. I guess that means you and I are all alone here in the netherworld. For the cost of being Platinum, I could buy an extra couple of bottles of test per year. You ever think about that?

Stick to the weights funny man..

Typically if you want more responses be clear with goals/history and to the point (for future posts). Let me take a stab you should take this with a grain b/c of course we have no idea of your past or goals anyways:

2 10cc vials of DECA 300mg/ml, 4 10cc vials of test enan 200mg/ml (Mexican Testarona so count on it being under dosed), and 15 Primo Vials.

The questions that come to mind, (while helping him figure out the best bang for the buck...) are:

1. stack 'em all together?
If not, how would you separate them?

2. Front load?

3. the Primo up front or in the end of the cycle. He plans on staying on until the shit runs out.

Lets just figure that your t200 is about 160-170 to account for underdosing. The primo you dont say if its Primotestons or Primobolab Im assuming its bolan and you also dont state (if it is primobolan) whether its 50 or 100 mg/ml Im going to assume its 100 because if its 50 its almost useless.

wk........T200......................Deca.........Primo
1............800mg/week.......300mg/wk....0.
2............800mg/week.......300..............0.
3............800mg/week.......300..............0.
4............800mg/week.......300..............0.
5............800mg/week.......300..............0.
6............800mg/week.......300..............0.
7............800mg/week.......300..............0.
8............800mg/week.......300..............0.
9............800mg/week.......300..............0.
10..........800mg/week.......300..............0.


In reality your getting about 600 or so mg of test - your have 1500mg of primo I dont think you need it for this cycle but something i might do to transition is start the primobolan at week 10 with 300-400mg/week shots and continue until it runs out.

Have nolvadex or arimidex/anastrazole/liquidex on hand for sure just in case.

got clomid?? you can use the clomid towards the end few weeks of the primo which should be a pretty nice transition.

Your using deca - if you were to get progesterone related gyno (rare but does happen with deca in some people) either use some winny to kill it, lower your dose, or get off it. But be ready prepared and carefull.

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The gear wont do anything unless you eat right. If you havent counted calories for the next 10 weeks DO SO, you need to stuff your grill, aim high clean eating 5-6 MEALS a day high protein, med-high carbs (depending on goals) and low fat. No junk food - but you have to eat big and clean meals.

This is basic info - very basic because Im not sure where you are or trying to go - hope it helps some.

 

[Slopain]

I wouldnt frontload - I have done it and it just seems to give your body a harsh shock that results in more sides/moody-ness without any big payoff for the week or 2 of less than ideal physical and emotional state.

 

[tap0621]

Thanks Slo-

That's just the kind of wisdom I was looking for. The cycle you laid out is almost identical to my plan. I was thinking about adding the Primobolan at about week 6 or 7 and trailing off with it, using the old therory that you tend to keep your gains from Primo, and hoping it would cause my test/deca gains to hold better.

I do not have any clomid, and have never used it, although I know it would help. I hang around a lot of big (dumb) guys and none of us have ever used it. I'm forty years old, so my nuts are retired anyway. I may try to pick some up. I've seen several dosing schedules for it on the boards.

As for history and goals, that is a long story. I'll try to be breif. I am what you would call a novice user of AS. I been off and on for about 10 years. I got a late start in life after breaking my back in an accident. I started my first cycle at a weight of 120 pounds! I am 5'-8" and very small boned/jointed. I now weigh betweem 196 and 200#. My BF is around 14%. I have had several events happen in my life that cause me to get off the AS for a while and lose some of my gains. Last year I got really sick and was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitus, a degenerative colon disease. Until I learned how to live with it, I didn't do anything for most of last year and started back between Thanksgiving and Christmas at about 180#.

I have the same goals as most everyone else, to get as huge as genetically possible.